my beliefs are flexible-- nothing i believe is set in stone. i simply want the truth. if you could provide a stronger case than i could against big pharma, id adopt your view. but i dont think you can-- the facts simply are not on your side.
these people in 3rd world countries need two things: proper sanitation and nutritious food. theyre starving. they do NOT need vaccines, but thats what the WHO and bill gates wants to give them. they can solve the sanitation and food issues easily, but they would never make the big money they could with the vaccine agenda (to say nothing of gates` depopulation plans that hes openly admitted).
theres a vax thread that covers the vax debate.
no, i dont think youre poorly educated. i do think you are misinformed... but we are ALL misinformed at one point, myself included of course.
thats true. but i will say that many of us have looked into this for years and can spot the propaganda a mile away. we know everything "they" say, at the very least, should be suspect if not outright rejected.
everyone who finally does get their head around whats happening either goes through a period of depression or anger (to varying degrees). its a normal reaction to realizing that weve been lied to for so long.
i have to disagree. if you can explain away all of the questions the naysayers have to say about masks, covid, bill gates, etc. with facts-- real facts-- people here will accept it. you wont be able to, though: hard, direct questions like this, when addressed to authoritative figures themselves, are ignored. the truth should be able stand on its own-- so then why would social media and YT ban and censor any other medical views on corona?
I’m not going to agree with you at this point and I may never agree with you. That’s fair enough. I’m not denying there may be truth in what you say but my view of the truth is slightly different. I believe there are always three sides to the truth - your truth, my truth and the actual truth. It is only my opinion, that the actual truth, falls somewhere on between my truth and your truth.
The pharmaceutical industry is first and foremost a profit making one. Therefore, they can never be truly objective. I’m not going to try to prove you wrong by coming up with an argument in favour of the industry because right now, I don’t have the knowledge to do that. I am quite sure that if I begin to research it, I’m really not going to like everything that I find. However, I’m already at a point where I know that.
Nevertheless, as you have already admitted, there is an important role for pharmaceuticals in medicine. There is no question about that. I don’t think I need to prove that. There are many people who wouldn’t be around today, were it not for the pharmaceutical industry. Therefore, we have to find a way to live with it.
Vaccination threads? Yes, I’ve seen some of them and I’m not going to enter into debate about those here. Suffice is to say, that in some instances, people on those threads were wilfully and unashamedly manipulating them truth and quoting “research” that did not stand up to scrutiny. When you try to counter it,
they tell you it’s false news. That muddies their argument and undermines the argument they are trying to present - just as Aero did above with his research about masks and the transmission of coronaviruses. I’m sure you aware - if you’re going to cite research it has to stand up to scrutiny. Just because someone tells you the research proves something, it doesn’t actually mean it goes.
This whole issue of research, is one that baffles me. Take the whole Kpop agenda on the Entertainment board. Some of the posters there post spurious claims about people being paedophiles, cannibals, having sexual relations with animals. They offer their interpretation of a video as evidence, when in fact it is anything but evidence. If they want to convince people of their case, they need to engage in a little more than speculation and fantasy. Sorry, I am digressing...
You are right that LEDCs need more than vaccinations. For a start, they need fair trade laws which put them on an equal footing with other countries. They need education including education about sanitation and nutrition. They need Governments which are not corrupt, They need infrastructure, housing, healthcare...I could go on. Part of what they need however, is also vaccination programmes. All of these other things do not limit the spread of infectious diseases as effectively as vaccinations. I’m a health care professional and a mother. You are never going to convince me that vaccinations are not essential. I have two children with autism. I have been through the vaccination issue in my mind a million times and I still conclude that vaccinating is better than not. I’m am wholly convinced that if you want to depopulate the world, vaccinating is not the way to go about it. You want to depopulate the world? Don’t vaccinate. On that we’re going to have to agree to disagree.
I have absolutely no problem with accepting, Governments lie to us. My difficulty is the idea that there is some overarching organisation behind all of this. I don’t really believe the potential for corruption needs that amount of organisation. It is there within all of us. It’s potential is there at every level in every aspect of our lives - it always has been since time began. Hierarchies and elites exist in even the most basic of species - but not necessarily by organisation.It’s there in friendships, school, work, government - it pervades every level of society. It’s all over threads in these forums - if you don’t share our view, go somewhere else, get off this thread, you don’t belong here. Where people are together it exists. It was there in Minnesota when a white police officer knelt on the neck of a black man and took away his life - just because he could.
I don’t believe that there needs to be anything as complex as a whole network of people conspiring against us and deceiving us.
Facts about Covid? I don’t see anyone lying to us about it. Where I live, the Government, medical professionals, scientists have been honest about this. At this point, they don’t know the answers. Now, they might be lying about that but given my albeit limited medical knowledge, I can look at the evidence they cite and understand the limits of their knowledge. I understand why it is taking time to research this. People died of bacterial infections for hundreds of years, before antibiotics were discovered. The world changed dramatically after that.
Life is what it is. I don’t place trust easily in anyone. I don’t ever assume that anyone is acting in my best interests. The only people I can rely on are my immediate family. I’m not going be depressed or angry to learn about anything that other people might be capable of. I grew up in a country where I‘ve always known exactly what people are capable of. I know what it’s like to not be able to trust people around you; to accept that what you see does not necessarily mean anything.
When you see individuals walk into a fish shop filled with women and children, on a busy Saturday afternoon, with the sole purpose of blowing them to pieces, you become aware of how corrupt and evil people can be. When your father - a member of the emergency response team that day - comes home and cries about the little girl with plaits in her hair, whose body he uncovered in the rubble, you understand that the capacity for evil and corruption is much more widespread than you think.
Excuse me for not blaming any kind of elite for this. To do so, ignores what we are capable of on an individual level. It looks for someone else to blame and absolves us of responsibility.
For me, it doesn’t matter who is driving forward an agenda. The capacity for good and evil still exists and personal accountability and responsibility for it exists.
When people are willing to extinguish life just because they can, it kind of reduces the significance of being asked to wear a mask for a few weeks to possibly help decrease the transmission rate of Covid-19. You’re going to tell me of course, that this attitude is exactly what these people are trying to achieve - that they push these bigger agendas so they can desensitise us to the control they want to exert over us. I suppose that’s always a possibility. I just don’t think it’s that complex.
