We need to talk about... World War II

[Hubert]

He saw humanity as bacteria and Jews as harmful bacteria. Just as no one would try to eradicate all the bacteria within him, Hitler would not have tried to kill all Jews. His mentor had a philosophy where the materialism exemplified by Jews (he pointed out how their religion lacked an afterlife) was a necessary condition of human existence. In Mein Kampf, Hitler said idealism was a necessary condition of human existence. It follows that these two men conceived of a balance between the two extremes. There is no indication that Hitler deviated from what he laid down in his book.

You continue to explain what his justifications were, but you fail to actually answer my question. Why should I care about his justifications for genocide?

 

[Illuminized]

You continue to explain what his justifications were, but you fail to actually answer my question. Why should I care about his justifications for genocide?

If you thought it could end with Hitler, you're mistaken. Hitler observed the law of selection differently from Darwin. Not from animals, but from planets.

Also, if one wanted to put a halt to the nationalist resurgence, he should get to know Hitler better than they do.

 

[Hubert]

If you thought it could end with Hitler, you're mistaken. Hitler observed the law of selection differently from Darwin. Not from animals, but from planets.

Also, if one wanted to put a halt to the nationalist resurgence, he should get to know Hitler better than they do.

Planets are inanimate and, do not reproduce. Therefor they cannot be governed, or effected by natural selection.

Thanks for finally answering the question. I would argue that an understanding of the economic conditions in Germany, largely caused by the treaty that ended WWI, is much more important to stopping the resurgence of nationalism/nativism than an understanding of Hitler's religion.

 

[Illuminized]

Planets are inanimate and, do not reproduce. Therefor they cannot be governed, or effected by natural selection.

Thales of Miletus held soul to be a motive force and the planets were considered animated because of their perpetual motion. The planets and stars were also held to have superior souls to human beings due to this motion. This would explain why numerous neighbors of Israel worshiped them and why even the Israelis were inclined to apostasy (i.e. worship of Saturn).

Thanks for finally answering the question. I would argue that an understanding of the economic conditions in Germany, largely caused by the treaty that ended WWI, is much more important to stopping the resurgence of nationalism/nativism than an understanding of Hitler's religion.

Well, there's that too. The concept of reparations, recompense, etc. hinders reconciliation. No peace can be effected through it in the long run. The enmity between America and Russia will only grow. The love of many will grow cold, love shall be turned into hate, hatred grows out of the sowing of kindness. Pity and compassion only increase human suffering. And so on.

But as I was saying earlier, Hitler wanted his religion... he wanted to apply it to the whole German community and perhaps the European continent. Failing to take his private philosophy/religion into account is a colossal mistake. The movement was only a means, the religion is what drove it. I appreciate Dr. Richard Weikart, though he has falsely labelled Hitler's religion as pantheism, for conducting an inquiry into it. If Hitler really divined his religion from nature, then it's not implausible that someone else will arrive at the same conclusion. Then what?

He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a universe in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where the latter must obey or be destroyed.

As you can see Hitler's interpretation of the law of selection was distinct from Darwin's, who limited himself to the earth's atmosphere and it's plant and animal inhabitants. To say Hitler was a Darwinist is inaccurate. He observed it from a loftier vantage point which has a basis in antiquity.

 

[Karlysymon]

As many as 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

"The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces must come as a profound shock. It will surprise even professional historians of the Nazi years." --John Keegan, author of The Face of Battle and The Second World War

The Bryan Mark Rigg Collection is housed in the
Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg, Germany.

http://jewishmag.com/158mag/hitler_jewish_soldiers/hitler_jewish_soldiers.htm

Note: Hollywood won't tell you that (Spielberg, Bruckheimer, et al)

 

[Kung Fu]

Note: Hollywood won't tell you that (Spielberg, Bruckheimer, et al)

They also won't tell you how Zionists were going to the separate camps and picking out the Jews they wanted free and letting the rest to rot in the camps.

 

[Karlysymon]

Some European filmakers are more open to telling the truth as it is, seeing as it was a major theatre of war.

Werner Goldberg (October 3, 1919 – September 28, 2004)
was a German who was of half Jewish ancestry, or Mischling in Nazi terminology, who served briefly as a soldier during World War II and whose image appeared in the
Berliner Tageblatt as "The
Ideal German Soldier", and his image was later used in recruitment posters for the Wehrmacht.~Wikipedia

 

[Hubert]

To say Hitler was a Darwinist is inaccurate. He observed it from a loftier vantage point which has a basis in antiquity.

What you mean to say is that he observed from a magical and completely inaccurate vantage point that had a basis in a magical and inaccurate antiquity.

Hitler was neither the first nor the last dictator to use an amalgamation of science and myth to justify atrocities, he was just the most successful. His success was not due to his beliefs but to the fact that he was charismatic and supplied a convenient scapegoat (Jews, gays, gypsies, and anyone else he didn't like) to people so repressed that they were ready to lash out at anyone. Hitler wasn't a great thinker, he was a genocidal monster.

 

[Illuminized]

What you mean to say is that he observed from a magical and completely inaccurate vantage point that had a basis in a magical and inaccurate antiquity.

Hitler was neither the first nor the last dictator to use an amalgamation of science and myth to justify atrocities, he was just the most successful. His success was not due to his beliefs but to the fact that he was charismatic and supplied a convenient scapegoat (Jews, gays, gypsies, and anyone else he didn't like) to people so repressed that they were ready to lash out at anyone. Hitler wasn't a great thinker, he was a genocidal monster.

Do you believe the earth is round or flat?

Do you know how difficult it was for the Copernicans to topple the Church dogma built around Aristotle and Ptolemy? Do you know how many Copernicans paid homage to the Greeks in their writings and letters? Do you know how many Church fathers and Christian apologists paid homage to ancient Greek conceptions? Do you know how much Western civilization owes the ancient Greeks for their innovations and ideas? The Greeks were the first to take what previous civilizations had merely cultivated and moulded it into a flourishing culture. They achieved an ideal balance between body and mind. You have to distinguish between the pagan philosophers and the pagan priests & worshipers, can't just lump them into one category. The pre-Socratic philosophers conceived of a god similar to Jesus' deity.

Do you think Hitler was on the same side as the Communists and Zionists?