We do NOT have free will. God controls everything.

LittleLady

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Hello. Now I know this may confuse a lot of you. A lot of you are probably thinking right now as we speak, "We DO have free will. We do have the free will to choose Jesus Christ to be our Lord and Savior-" No we don't. He chooses his own people.

Since when were we the ones in control? God is always in control. He chooses who he wants to be his people. We don't choose him. We mere human beings don't choose God.

Ephesians 1:4 "Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love."

So that begs the question. Who did he choose?


His people; the selected 1/3 Israelites have been chosen! They did not choose God, but God chose them. They don't have free will! 2/3 of Israelites will sadly be destroyed.

Here's a history lesson: The White Man white washed everyone in the Bible to deceive us. So those of you looking at the "White" Jesus and Mary and angels depictions, please be not deceived. Those of you looking at baby angels, angels with halos, the devil simply being a red creature with horns and a tail, this is all made up by the White Man. But I can touch further about this topic in another thread.

I just want to let you know that God already had a selected group since the beginning. The only reason other Nations and races exist is because of Esau, which is the White man. He was only created to punish the Israelites for their rebellion against God. Esau did not have any other role besides that. They ALL, (Edomites) had and most, still to this day, have an everlasting hatred for the chosen Israelites.

1 Peter 2:9 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light."

1 John 3:1 "See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are.
The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him." So the rest of the world outside of his chosen ones do NOT KNOW GOD!

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb
I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." Who did God know? His people. He created them to give the gospel to the rest of the Nations. There are two groups of Gentiles. One is the Gentiles themselves that aren't considered in Gods eyes, and then there's his people WITHIN the Nations due to slavery. Obviously, everyone else isn't HIS prophet, so that means they don't belong to him.

John 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but
because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."

Deuteronomy 14:2 "For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has
chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

God purposely made both lucifer and Esau who they are! He put the spirit of anger inside of lucifer to go against him, so that he can be cast down from heaven unto earth, and from lucifers seed, Esau was born.

Edomites are of the devils seed; lucifer. So lucifer had to be created in order for Esau to be created.

Then you ask, "If Esau is of lucifers seed, then how was he born with Jacob, who is Gods chosen?"

Genesis 25:22 "The babies
struggled each other within her, and she said, 'Why is this happening to me?' So she went to inquire of the LORD. And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

And it was PLANNED BY GOD HIMSELF that Esau sell his birthright. That means since God put the spirit in him to do that, Jacob will be first in the end. They always were first in Gods eyes, but not worldly wise. This is why Esau, and the 2/3 of Israelites- everyone who isn't part of the 1/3 selected will suffer in the end.

If Esau did not sell his birthright, then he would be first in Gods eyes from beginning to end, but he isn't. Therefore, God put it in him that he may sell his birthright to Jacob.


So what's the conclusion?

The conclusion is, God is simply always in control. Gods people didn't choose him, he did. Esau only hates his people because God put it in him to have an everlasting hatred towards them. Satan himself, and his demons have to be before God and ask him if they can tempt his people.


God is now judging all Nations for their wickedness. He's even judging the 2/3 that will sadly be put to death that is. This is why we have the virus.

This virus is one of their judgments. There will be MUCH MORE judgments and plagues to come.

One more thing. Does that mean it's not anyone's fault for how they are? Are you saying God is a puppet master? Is he evil?


God isn't evil. Yes, he's the one that intentionally made everything how it is today. He isn't really a puppet master because if he was, he wouldn't have emotions towards everything that went on, that's currently going on, and will go on. But he does, so he does care about everything he planned to happen.

He's the author. He makes people, but isn't emotionless towards them. He feels love towards some people, hate for others. Something a very good writer would feel while making a story. This all isn't for his amusement, but rather for the satisfaction of his people.

As an author creates characters they love, (which in this case would be the Israelites) and they make characters they hate, (which in this case would be everyone besides them) and of course in every story, the main character goes through something, which just makes them stronger in the future, (which in this case would be the devil and everyone else tempting the Israelites) and they usually get a happily ever after (which in this case, is the Israelites) God loves his people so much, he quite literally gives them a happily ever after.



So that is it! Nobody on the face of the earth has the free will to repent if God already been chose his people, and turned away from the others.

Any personal questions, just PM me. I will be adding links to each of my threads on my account. It is my calling to post various Biblical threads, so there will be another one soon probably in the middle of August. It is planned to be about certain events during the Tribulation Era. Make sure to study as you're reading. Have a great day.
 






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Wait a minute. So if we don't have free will or the only free will we have is to chose Jesus, why does hell exist.
If god forces us to do things then punishes us for it, surely he is the bad guy and not just any bad guy but a complete mental case.
 






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Wait a minute. So if we don't have free will or the only free will we have is to chose Jesus, why does hell exist.
If god forces us to do things then punishes us for it, surely he is the bad guy and not just any bad guy but a complete mental case.
Hell is a situation. The lake of fire is where the condemned go. There's a difference.

He is only using everyone else to give trials and tribulations to his people so from all of those troubles, they grow from all of it. It is depressing and tiring at times, but he wants his people to come out as warriors. I thought the same thing as you when I first found this out, I'm thinking, "So we're all just mere entertainment?" No. Like I said, as an author, he still has emotions for everyone. Love for his people, inconsideration for everyone else.

It's just how he wanted it to be. His people were always meant to rule the earth within themselves, (no other Nations would exist besides them) and be known as the princes and princesses of God because since his people are from him, they are of royal bloodline. But since my ancestors rebelled, well, Esau was born.

So no, God isn't the bad guy. You want to call anyone the bad guy, call lucifer and Esau the bad guys. Even though they were both intentionally made evil, they're still evil, because of their role. Have you seen what happened in history? He enslaves my people then blames my people for everything, this is why my people are the lowest Nation as we speak.

In order for the kingdom of Israel to rise, everyone else has to fall, ESPECIALLY America and Rome. That's why in the beginning of the existence of this virus, it was TAKING A HUGE TOLL ON ITALY, because Rome is the capitol of Italy, so a LOT of them were FIRST to go. God also used Trump to show the other Nations just how terrible America is, these Nations will remember this, and that is why America will fall soon.

Everything is planned. If you can't accept it, I don't know what else to say.
 






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Predeterminism turns most of the human experience into fluff. Like how does a concept like judgment even have value if the people being judged didn't have a choice?
 






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..His people; the selected 1/3 Israelites have been chosen! They did not choose God, but God chose them. They don't have free will! 2/3 of Israelites will sadly be destroyed..


Are the 1/3 Jews?
If they are they'll be going up the spout along with all other Jesus-rejecters..:)
 






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Predeterminism turns most of the human experience into fluff. Like how does a concept like judgment even have value if the people being judged didn't have a choice?
Because they were still from lucifers seed, so they're going to be condemned just like their father. If you are a descendant from Esau, or a descendant from anyone who is not of God, well, your ancestors left a tab for you, so you too will have to pay the price. It's called "Reap what you sow" that is Gods justice system. I wouldn't allow anyone of evil seed to continue living being on top of the world either, so it's understandable.
 






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Your initial assumptions are flawed @LittleLady. The thread title itself is a false dichotomy.

The greatest gift Father (God) gave us is free-will to choose between good and evil.

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But IF thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Covenants are written with terms and conditions for performance. Also, over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy. ALL of the prophecies concerning Israel's performance include at least two possible outcomes, TO ACCOMMODATE OUR FREE WILL CHOICE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. Look at the wording in the passage above, which includes the word "if", as in "if you do this, you can expect the following result, but if you do that, then you can a different result".

Regarding the terms and conditions of keeping The Law, please see the Blessings and the Curses of The Law, listed in Deuteronomy 28.

The blessings let everyone know what rewards to expect if they choose to keep The Law. The curses (penalty clause) let everyone know what to punishments to expect if they choose not to keep The Law. Please note well though, the choice is ours to make.

Another example:-

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, LEST I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 for details of the curse).

The word "lest" indicates two distinct possible outcomes. Either we collectively remember who we really are and return to The Law, or Father will be forced to bring the Great and Dreadful Day of Judgment upon the Earth. But the choice is ours to make. Many people do not pay attention to detail, and therefore miss qualifying words like "lest" or the "if-then" statements that are part of the covenants and the prophecies.

There is a difference between Father (Who exists outside of time and space, which He created), KNOWING what choices we will make and Him making those choices for us, the latter of which many refer to as "predeterminism". Father didn't create us to be automatons; He created us with the capacity for spiritual discernment, and then rewards us for choosing good/truth/life over evil/lies/death, and punishes us for choosing evil instead of good, to teach and guide us back home, to heaven.

It should be noted that among those free-will choices are the choice to become Israel (Champions of God) by changing our behavior, and the choice to look at this world through spiritual eyes rather than through human eyes. A spirit-Being does NOT have a gender, nor a race, nor ethnic background or nationality, nor a skin-color; those characteristics belong to the human.

The spirit-Being is motivated by Father (i.e. it communicates with Father via His Holy Spirit) while the human is in direct communication with Satan. That is how Satan wields so much influence over this world, because he tempts us with human desires, e.g. the lust for money (greed), the lust for worldly power, the lust for more food than is needed (gluttony), the lust for temporarily escaping this world (through drugs or alcohol) and/or the lust for sex, etc. All of which are temporary, and all of which come at the expense of our REAL eternal life.

It is your human that places the emphasis on its race, and mistakenly believes the Bible has been "white-washed". You would therefore do well to rid yourself of those human views and focus on the spiritual, as you are doing by striving to keep The Law. The more effort you put into that, the more truth will be revealed to you as your journey continues.

Peace be upon you.
 






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Because they were still from lucifers seed, so they're going to be condemned just like their father. If you are a descendant from Esau, or a descendant from anyone who is not of God, well, your ancestors left a tab for you, so you too will have to pay the price. It's called "Reap what you sow" that is Gods justice system. I wouldn't allow anyone of evil seed to continue living being on top of the world either, so it's understandable.
I'm fine with reap what you sow. But what you're describing is like being punished for someone else's crime. Moreover, it seems like you are promoting a form of spiritual death.
 






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As Buddha said, ‘The deed there is, but no doer thereof.’

Self-realization is simply the realization by the ego that the ego itself is not a separate doer, that the doing is merely a happening through a human mechanism or instrument. This understanding annihilates the guilt and shame, pride and arrogance that accompany the sense of personal doership. The result is an enormous sense of freedom, of peace and harmony. – Balsekar/Ramesh

"Another difficulty about truly accepting this teaching is the argument that it leads to a 'fatalistic' attitude. The fatalistic argument translates itself into the question: 'If I am not to be motivated by the fruits of my action, and, indeed, if I have no free will over my actions, why should I work at all?' The answer is astonishingly simple: you will not be able to be inactive for any length of time because the energy within the organism will compel you to act: to act according to the natural characteristics of the organism. In other words, whether to act or not is itself not in your control." -- The Wisdom of Balsekar

"He who in his ignorance thinks: 'I slay,' or 'I am slain,' babbles like an infant lacking knowledge. Of a truth, none can slay – none can be slain.”
"Take unto thy inner mind, this truth, O Prince! Verily, the Real Man – the Spirit of Man – is neither born, nor doth it die. Unborn, undying, ancient, perpetual and eternal, it hath endured and will endure forever. The body may die; be slain; be destroyed completely; but He that hath occupied it remains unharmed.” -- Bhagavad Gita
 






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Wow that deity really sounds like a total dick. Unfortunately many Christians have pretty similar beliefs, god knows everything that will ever take place, including people suffering and being damned for eternity, but is not responsible for what happens because he is just a witness. Well, actually saying there is no free will is maybe a step further, still it's the same substance as the general idea of "Predestination" (even the "Double Predestination" of Calvin).

Personally I think a better idea is that, if there be a Deity, Its Omniscience is not that It knows all that will ever happen exactly, rather that It knows everything which could ever potentially happen. Whether or not these potentials ripen depends on human beings' individual wills. Of course there are things which are a key part of the pattern, which must certainly take place, but the incidentals (i.e. the choices and fates of individual beings) are not something which can be known in advance. To use one kind of terminology, each soul is a "spark" of the essence of Deity, and thus has a certain part which is ultimately free, beyond conditioning and reaction. (I wonder what @A Freeman would make of this idea?).

Anyway, only a lunatic would worship such an utterly tyrannical deity as you propose, and such a deity's paradise would be a hell.
 






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We do NOT have free will. God controls everything.

Sez who?
Rather, God is like a Special Forces instructor, he tells us how to do things then watches to see how we do, and any recruit who chooses not to listen and to do things his own way will soon get dropped for failing the test-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)

 






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..god knows everything that will ever take place..

Nah, he suspends that knowledge here on this Testing Ground called earth, otherwise if he already knew what the test results would be, the test wouldn't be a test and would be pointless.. :p
For example when he told Abraham to kill his young son as a test, he didn't know what Abraham would do, but as he raised the knife God said-
“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.” (Genesis 22:12)
 






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Wow that deity really sounds like a total dick. Unfortunately many Christians have pretty similar beliefs, god knows everything that will ever take place, including people suffering and being damned for eternity, but is not responsible for what happens because he is just a witness. Well, actually saying there is no free will is maybe a step further, still it's the same substance as the general idea of "Predestination" (even the "Double Predestination" of Calvin).

Personally I think a better idea is that, if there be a Deity, Its Omniscience is not that It knows all that will ever happen exactly, rather that It knows everything which could ever potentially happen. Whether or not these potentials ripen depends on human beings' individual wills. Of course there are things which are a key part of the pattern, which must certainly take place, but the incidentals (i.e. the choices and fates of individual beings) are not something which can be known in advance. To use one kind of terminology, each soul is a "spark" of the essence of Deity, and thus has a certain part which is ultimately free, beyond conditioning and reaction. (I wonder what @A Freeman would make of this idea?).

Anyway, only a lunatic would worship such an utterly tyrannical deity as you propose, and such a deity's paradise would be a hell.
"Just as when you are half awake and can see a dream, and know you are dreaming, and yet are apart from it, that is how God feels this universe. On one side he is awake, and on another side he is dreaming this universe. And that is how you should look upon this world. Then you will know why he created it, and will not ascribe these dream conditions to your soul. If you pass through a nightmare, you know that is no more than a bad dream. If you can live in the world in that consciousness, you will not suffer.

You won't mind then, because you will know you are dreaming. Do not pay undue attention to the passing scenes of life. You are the immortal self (consciousness) living only temporarily in a dream that is sometimes (imagined) to be a nightmare. That is the higher philosophy (and truth) of the mystics." -- Yogananda
 






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I'm fine with reap what you sow. But what you're describing is like being punished for someone else's crime. Moreover, it seems like you are promoting a form of spiritual death.
As I said, they are from the seed of the evil one so they HAVE to be destroyed too. Their ancestors also left them a tab. That's it.
 






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Wow that deity really sounds like a total dick. Unfortunately many Christians have pretty similar beliefs, god knows everything that will ever take place, including people suffering and being damned for eternity, but is not responsible for what happens because he is just a witness. Well, actually saying there is no free will is maybe a step further, still it's the same substance as the general idea of "Predestination" (even the "Double Predestination" of Calvin).

Personally I think a better idea is that, if there be a Deity, Its Omniscience is not that It knows all that will ever happen exactly, rather that It knows everything which could ever potentially happen. Whether or not these potentials ripen depends on human beings' individual wills. Of course there are things which are a key part of the pattern, which must certainly take place, but the incidentals (i.e. the choices and fates of individual beings) are not something which can be known in advance. To use one kind of terminology, each soul is a "spark" of the essence of Deity, and thus has a certain part which is ultimately free, beyond conditioning and reaction. (I wonder what @A Freeman would make of this idea?).

Anyway, only a lunatic would worship such an utterly tyrannical deity as you propose, and such a deity's paradise would be a hell.
Hey, he's God. He does what he wants. He chooses who he wants. He destroys who he wants. Maybe I'm taking lightly to it because I have an accurate understanding seeing as I am one of his. He's the author. The example given was an author would create people, choose who they like, choose who they don't like, plan out all events, and give their beloved characters a happy ending.

I don't see a problem with this.
 






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Hey, he's God. He does what he wants. He chooses who he wants. He destroys who he wants. Maybe I'm taking lightly to it because I have an accurate understanding seeing as I am one of his. He's the author. The example given was an author would create people, choose who they like, choose who they don't like, plan out all events, and give their beloved characters a happy ending.

I don't see a problem with this.
"The Tao(God/Nature/The Way) is not humane, it treats the 10,000 creatures (of which we are merely one) as straw dogs" (ie. expendable units). -- Lao Tzu

Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs". Su Zhe's commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them." --Wiki
 






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Your initial assumptions are flawed @LittleLady. The thread title itself is a false dichotomy.

The greatest gift Father (God) gave us is free-will to choose between good and evil.

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But IF thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

The Covenants are written with terms and conditions for performance. Also, over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy. ALL of the prophecies concerning Israel's performance include at least two possible outcomes, TO ACCOMMODATE OUR FREE WILL CHOICE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. Look at the wording in the passage above, which includes the word "if", as in "if you do this, you can expect the following result, but if you do that, then you can a different result".

Regarding the terms and conditions of keeping The Law, please see the Blessings and the Curses of The Law, listed in Deuteronomy 28.

The blessings let everyone know what rewards to expect if they choose to keep The Law. The curses (penalty clause) let everyone know what to punishments to expect if they choose not to keep The Law. Please note well though, the choice is ours to make.

Another example:-

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, LEST I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 for details of the curse).

The word "lest" indicates two distinct possible outcomes. Either we collectively remember who we really are and return to The Law, or Father will be forced to bring the Great and Dreadful Day of Judgment upon the Earth. But the choice is ours to make. Many people do not pay attention to detail, and therefore miss qualifying words like "lest" or the "if-then" statements that are part of the covenants and the prophecies.

There is a difference between Father (Who exists outside of time and space, which He created), KNOWING what choices we will make and Him making those choices for us, the latter of which many refer to as "predeterminism". Father didn't create us to be automatons; He created us with the capacity for spiritual discernment, and then rewards us for choosing good/truth/life over evil/lies/death, and punishes us for choosing evil instead of good, to teach and guide us back home, to heaven.

It should be noted that among those free-will choices are the choice to become Israel (Champions of God) by changing our behavior, and the choice to look at this world through spiritual eyes rather than through human eyes. A spirit-Being does NOT have a gender, nor a race, nor ethnic background or nationality, nor a skin-color; those characteristics belong to the human.

The spirit-Being is motivated by Father (i.e. it communicates with Father via His Holy Spirit) while the human is in direct communication with Satan. That is how Satan wields so much influence over this world, because he tempts us with human desires, e.g. the lust for money (greed), the lust for worldly power, the lust for more food than is needed (gluttony), the lust for temporarily escaping this world (through drugs or alcohol) and/or the lust for sex, etc. All of which are temporary, and all of which come at the expense of our REAL eternal life.

It is your human that places the emphasis on its race, and mistakenly believes the Bible has been "white-washed". You would therefore do well to rid yourself of those human views and focus on the spiritual, as you are doing by striving to keep The Law. The more effort you put into that, the more truth will be revealed to you as your journey continues.

Peace be upon you.
I have read your entire post, and apologies with respect, but that is all wrong.

The first verse you give me does not describe us having free will. It's God saying he set his people in a world of life with good seed (them, the ones that are from a royal bloodline of Jacob) and evil seed (basically way over half of the world whose seed is from the evil one).

The whole Bible is meant for his people only, obviously nobody else is going to follow it. So when he talks about commanding "people" he's TALKING to HIS people and telling them what they should do. I explained 2/3 of the Israelites would die, only 1/3 would remain. No wonder he's telling his people to make sure they're obeying him.

A reminder,

2 Esdras 6:56-57 "As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel." So the Bible isn't for everyone, it's only for the 3/3 Israelites, which 2/3 will perish sadly.

Nobody can become Israel. Your bloodline matters. If your bloodline is from Esau, you cannot possibly be associated with Israel ever. If your bloodline is from Jacob, BUT you disobey the Lord, you're not receiving the kingdom. Just as Jesus himself is also called the son of David because it indicates that he is from royal bloodline, he is also called the son of Abraham indicating he is an Israelite. Only the ones from the 12 Tribes of Israel are the ones that have the chance to receive the kingdom.

Apparently only 144k will succeed. Not just from this period of time, but also since the beginning. David will be in the kingdom, Jedidiah will be in the kingdom, Elijah will be there, Abraham will be there, Isaac will be there, Isaiah will be there, Job will be there, Joseph will be there, Moses will be there, Jacob will be there, Noah will be there, John will be there, and everyone else who were chosen by God since the beginning to this current time period. Notice how all of these people are Israelites. Their bloodlines.


Lastly, the Bible HAS been white-washed by the White Man to deceive us. He has an everlasting hatred for the Israelites so of course he'd do that to lead them astray.
 






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A Freeman

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Wow that deity really sounds like a total dick. Unfortunately many Christians have pretty similar beliefs, god knows everything that will ever take place, including people suffering and being damned for eternity, but is not responsible for what happens because he is just a witness. Well, actually saying there is no free will is maybe a step further, still it's the same substance as the general idea of "Predestination" (even the "Double Predestination" of Calvin).
Father (God) gave us everything we need in His Law to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free. The Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

But instead of reading the Instruction Manual, and following it step-by-step, we've decided to do everything our own way, and then wonder why we find ourselves in such awful messes, like the entire world is in right now with this plandemic. And worse yet, most curse Him whenever things go wrong, as if it's His fault we didn't follow the directions.

Just because He has already seen how each of us will react to the Truth when it's shared with us, doesn't mean He has deprived us of our free-will. He has CHOSEN those who are "true in faith" according to our WORKS, (Matt. 16:27, Rev. 20:12-13), as it says throughout Scripture, with everyone reaping what they sow, receiving their just desserts, or perfect karma (Gal. 6:7).

Personally I think a better idea is that, if there be a Deity, Its Omniscience is not that It knows all that will ever happen exactly, rather that It knows everything which could ever potentially happen. Whether or not these potentials ripen depends on human beings' individual wills. Of course there are things which are a key part of the pattern, which must certainly take place, but the incidentals (i.e. the choices and fates of individual beings) are not something which can be known in advance. To use one kind of terminology, each soul is a "spark" of the essence of Deity, and thus has a certain part which is ultimately free, beyond conditioning and reaction. (I wonder what @A Freeman would make of this idea?).
Agreed for the most part. Both the Bible and Quran even refer to the spirit-Being/Soul as "created from Fire".

Another analogy that could be used is that of a computer/video game. The programmer of course knows all of the possibilities in the game, whereas the individual players make choices and discoveries one step at a time. And while the game feels real enough to the players, its construct is known only to the programmer, who likewise knows if the players are headed in the right direction or not.

Anyway, only a lunatic would worship such an utterly tyrannical deity as you propose, and such a deity's paradise would be a hell.
Which is exactly where we currently find ourselves (here in hell, aka planet Earth), where almost everyone is worshiping the temporary ruler of this world (Satan, the controller of our egos), either wittingly or otherwise, as we head toward total annihilation (Armageddon).
 






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Hey, he's God. He does what he wants. He chooses who he wants. He destroys who he wants. Maybe I'm taking lightly to it because I have an accurate understanding seeing as I am one of his. He's the author. The example given was an author would create people, choose who they like, choose who they don't like, plan out all events, and give their beloved characters a happy ending.

I don't see a problem with this.
Well if you have no moral problem with your deity being a sociopath... I don't think you have "an accurate understanding", rather you are simply another expression of humanity's endless capacity to engage in self-delusion. The thing which you (and admittedly many others) fail to comprehend is that every being, black, white, grey, yellow, orange or blue, is a living sentient entity which suffers. Characters in a novel do not suffer, they have no subjective existence. Tormenting characters in a novel therefore can't be considered immoral, while tormenting actual subjectively-existing beings, certainly can be.

I am very skeptical about the notion that the "Sovereignty of God" outweighs the idea of Divine Goodness, or that such Goodness cannot be understood by analogy with Goodness that we see in human beings. Plato's "The Form of the Good" seems to me like a good way to understand whatever Divinity there might be. But by your posts I doubt you have made any serious philosophical studies, and so maybe such ideas are lost on you.

By the way, I really like roots reggae music. I assume you do too?
 






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