"we Are Not Nation-building Again. We Are Killing Terrorists."

Thunderian

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Sounds refreshing.

Trump says Afghanistan policy now focused on ‘killing terrorists’
nypost.com/2017/08/21/trump-says-us-cant-afford-quick-afghanistan-withdrawal/

President Donald Trump says his new strategy on Afghanistan will be based on conditions on the ground, not timing.

The president says in an address to the nation that he will not “talk about numbers of troops or our plans for further military activities.”

Trump is outlining the pillars of his strategy to address Afghanistan and the South Asia region. He says the U.S. is not about nation building, but rather, “we are killing terrorists.”
 

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Dumb af, We gave up our lives in the war working with US just so some tiny little over confident cancer cell can come back and tell us that we are the problem?
Did US forget when they came begging for our help in war against Russia, so Russia wouldn't wipe its face off the map? They created the Taliban to win that war, and then asked for our help and we gave our lives to protect them. Bad choice, wrong decision by old leaders. Ain't nobody going to buy into US's bs anymore.

"Just as India blames Pak for the indigenous Kashmiri uprisings when these are a result of its own failed policy of mly repression in IOK
-So the US again blames Pak for its deeply flawed & failed Afghan policy stretching over a decade
-This shd teach Pak once and for all a valuable lesson: never to fight others wars for the lure of dollars.
-We fought 2 wars in Afghanistan at the US behest paying heavy human and economic costs both times. We sacrificed 70000 Pak lives in US WOT
-Our economy suffered over $100 billion in losses. In addition, there were intangible costs on our society. Time for Pak to say: Never again
-We must also reject being made scapegoats for the policy failures of the US and India." - PTI

Funny how prophecies fulfill themselves, few days ago I was discussing with my dad how the prophecy that "pakistan+ surrounding area aka khurasaan will join hands with Russia along with other countries thus leading to the east vs west war" seemed impossible because Pakistan has always favored US and probably would continue to do so unless US does something to trigger us.
And viola this happens. I am not so thrilled about the upcoming war as we know the outcome but damn.

Ofcourse they aren't building a nation, bunch of selfish barbarians can't build anything. They can only kill in turn bringing their end. "Killing terrorists" yea right more like killing innocent people in the name of aborting your past mistakes.

 
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Ofcourse they aren't building a nation, bunch of selfish barbarians can't build anything. They can only kill in turn bringing their end. "Killing terrorists" yea right more like killing innocent people in the name of aborting your past mistakes.
^ true ^
He says the U.S. is not about nation building
I was wondering when they have ever built a nation. How people can believe this stuff is beyond me.
 

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First of all, were the last 10years really about nation building? The billions meant for nation building disappeared in a worm hole. Will terrorists ever be truly wiped out? Actually, he is telling us "we'll stay till death."
Then once they are in, its hard to get them out, this applies to Syria aswell. Iran is sandwiched between Iraq and Afghanistan and as we all know, it has long been in American cross-hairs. So,its all swamp gas.
 

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The terrorists in the region are the foreign interventionists/invaders and their proxies. (@Karlysymon )
Ghazwat alHind has officially begun and Eric the other Prince of darkness must pay for his activities in this world and the next. God willing.
No peace for the poorest on earth our brethren Afghanis who are innocent of 9/11.
Patience for generations God willing.....
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Trump has NO Afghan exit strategy. He is clearly looking for a face saving exit, while subcontracting the country to Eric Prince & Modi.

@ZaidZamanHamid
There is total chaos and confusion in Trump's administration. His closest staff is leaving one by one...there is NO policy, no leadership..

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Trump, listen to this clearly...you will pay for accusing Pakistan of supporting "terror" without evidence BUT ignoring Indian terror in Pak

Alex jones ( :mad:when he was still in deceiver mode) interviewed the late Hamid Gul about Pakistan back in the day .
 
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Did US forget when they came begging for our help in war against Russia, so Russia wouldn't wipe its face off the map? They created the Taliban to win that war, and then asked for our help and we gave our lives to protect them.
The Taliban was created by the US? That's a new one.
 

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Sister Manama covfefe to him.......
Our Kashmiri brethren will have their oppression lifted soon, God willing.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-22/dr-pieczenik-unloads-trump-administration-
over-disastrous-afghanistan-decision
Article breakdown of dr. p interview asks if Alex is suffering from daddy issues....above

On Afghanistan, Mr. Trump, trust your instincts, not advice from Generals Groucho, Chico, and Harpo
I do not agree with Michael Scheuer about other stances but this article sheds a bit of light.

Posted on August 22, 2017 by mike
Mr. President, your ghastly Afghanistan address on 21 August 2017 contained the same old nonsense of your predecessors, such as the mujahedin are thugs and losers who have nothing to with Islam, and Pakistan is the key to Afghanistan. It also contained a death sentence for more of our soldiers and Marines, and the utter double crossing of those non-interventionists who voted for you.

You obviously talked to no American who knows something about Afghanistan, and listened to generals who have lost the Iraq and Afghan wars, and are members of a brotherhood of general officers that has not won a single one of America’s wars — almost all unnecessary — since 1945. You also displayed unwarranted respect for these also-rans by making sure that the word “Islam” never once appeared in a speech specifically discussing the republic’s war with Islam. This is not an “America First” position, Mr. President, it is the position of a man who ignored his reliable instincts, and allowed himself to be seduced by the siren song of be-starred bureaucrats masquerading as component general officers.

Good God, man, where were your wits? Did you even bother to ask the generals why, in nearly seventeen years, they have not been able to secure the Afghan capital of Kabul? Or why, in nearly seventeen years, they have not been able to train an Afghan military capable of protecting anything without U.S. advisers and air power? Did you ask them how they were going to win with 12,000 or 15,000 troops against an enemy stronger and more numerous than it was in 2001, when they shamefully failed to do so earlier with 120,000 troops? Did you ask them how they expect to win now by slapping around Pakistan, when they failed to win when Pakistan’s Musharraf was doing more to help us than any of our other allies, even bringing his country to the edge of civil war? Did you ask them if it is sound military doctrine to reinforce their nearly seventeen-year record of failure and defeat in Afghanistan with more lives, limbs, dollars, and, without doubt, more defeat?

And what, pray tell, Mr. President, did these generals tell you? Did they tell you that the combination of kicking around Pakistan and buddying-up with India greatly increases the risk of nuclear war in South Asia, especially since tensions between those nations are already rising over the Kashmir dispute? Did they tell you that Hindus, because they are polytheists, are despised by Sunni Muslims, and that if we work with them against the mujahedin we will — after already helping the heretical Shia to hold Iraq and Syria — re-validate for the world’s Sunni Muslims the belief that America is seeking to destroy Sunni Islam and will ally with anyone who has the same intent?

Did they tell you that China is building a road and railway system from its western border, across Central Asia and parts of Afghanistan, to Turkey, as well as similar facilities from its western border, southward through Pakistan, to the Pakistani port of Gwadar on the Indian Ocean, which Beijing built and controls. Did they tell you that this project — called One Belt, One Road — will be a magnet for the mujahedin, and so China will have to fight, first, to get it built and, second, to protect and enable the system’s economic viability against an Islamic insurgency? Did they tell you that if the United States simply gets out of the way in Afghanistan, the Chinese will soon be tied down there, wasting lives and money until they realize that they are defeated?

Did they tell you that Russia is working successfully to reestablish its military presence across the USSR’s former Central Asian republics because it fears the growing numbers of mujahedin — Taleban, al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other Islamist groups — that are basing in northern Afghanistan along the Russian Federation’s border, an Islamist presence which is sure to expand northward? Did they tell you that if we get out of Afghanistan, the Russians would eventually have to fight the Taleban, al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other Islamist groups along the Afghanistan-Central Asia border, and surely in northern Afghanistan as well? Did they tell you that , if the United States leaves Afghanistan, there is every chance that China and Russia will, before long, contain themselves by becoming militarily tied down in an intractable Islamist insurgency in Central Asia and Afghanistan, thereby steadily wasting lives and money, limiting their ability to cause trouble elsewhere in the world, and increasing the already existing Islamist unrest in Central Asia and western China?

If you did not ask the questions mentioned above, shame on you? If your generals did not explain the above-noted factors to you, fire them and send them off to the heaven they crave, be it to the board of Raytheon,, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, or some other lethal enemy of the American taxpayer. Then get yourself some combat-experienced Lieutenant-Colonels, Colonels, and Brigadiers to take their place, as well as the Marine Corps’ senior Gunnery Sergeant to keep an eye on them and to always tell you the truth.

You are the last shot for America First, Mr. President; that is an enormous responsibility but one you sought. Your performance is likely to determine the fate of the republic, and you were elected because the citizenry sensed that and trusted your rhetoric and your instincts. Now get to work and depend on your commonsense, not the advice of generals who never have and never will win anything.
 
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The Taliban was created by the US? That's a new one.
Hello history? Taliban werent directly created by the US but US played a role in their creation and then glorified them for fighting for US and against USSR. Since they came back to bite US in the back, now they have to get rid of it.
 

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Funny how in 15 years of this ongoing "war" between Afghani terrorists and US, US hasn't managed to do shit. Pakistan is the only country that actually did something in the "war against terror" and emerged victorious. It got rid of its own soil of taliban and now recently several operations in Afghanistan brought great results. It wasnt MOAB or 16 years or cat-dog fighting that lessened the activities of the terrorists. It was few months of operations done by Pakistan which managed to push the Taliban back as well as put fear in them.

Something that is weird (pretty normal at this point) is that Pakistan was going to completely take Afghanistan from terrorists and was going to send the Afghanistan refugees back so they can build their nation back while we provide them security to do so and suddenly US decides it will "kill terrorists" and "win the war" hmmmmmmmm totally not suspicious!!!!!!!

People have understood what US meant by telling us to "stay out of it" and taking India's side trying to involve india into Afghanistan. But people are not buying any of it and surely wont "stay out of it".
 

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The military is leading the White House. And Afghanistan is about funneling illegal money into the U.S. It's all about the opium.
 

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Hello history? Taliban werent directly created by the US but US played a role in their creation and then glorified them for fighting for US and against USSR. Since they came back to bite US in the back, now they have to get rid of it.
Where on earth are you getting this from? The Taliban came out of Pakistan and the US had nothing to do with it's creation. Do you just say whatever random thing pops into your head? Educate yourself.
 

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Funny how in 15 years of this ongoing "war" between Afghani terrorists and US, US hasn't managed to do shit. Pakistan is the only country that actually did something in the "war against terror" and emerged victorious. It got rid of its own soil of taliban and now recently several operations in Afghanistan brought great results.
Lol. Pakistan is riddled with Taliban supporters.

The reason why nothing has been accomplished in Afghanistan is because the rules of engagement prevented the US troops from using their force to maximum effect. Trump has changed the rules.
 
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Well naturally the narrative has to change enough for people to actually believe it. However they always speak lies..

First they invaded to kill terrorists
Then they used the argument that they're rebuilding
Then they just said 'oh sorry we failed, doing it right this time'
Then this.

perhaps if you managed to pull your head out of trump's arse you'd realise this basic ploy?
 

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Trump does not comprehend well.
The brethren are not like the leader of North Korea belligerent and comfortable with back and forth threats.
Trump has tied the noose around the necks of hypocrites/sellouts in that area who have helped America for many years.
The nationalists who did not put much stock in Islamic prophecies have also been alerted.:)
(As someone once said Af/Pak brothers put the fur inside their jackets their mentality is the opposite from the bling bling mouthy world of Trump and ilk.)

Yes we will see about what the future holds. God willing we will all prevail against the Satanic elite. They have many Muslims and non Muslims in their death grip.
In the past many Muslims have been deluded by the webs of deception and false promises of Empire. (By way of deception? This ideology IS putrid.Satanic means do not justify any ends)
Islamic thought is that oppression is worst than death.

Travels coming up, God willing :D. bye
 
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