Was Q a Psyop? AKA Discuss the Q Psyop without asking if it is real:)

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I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate (I'll be the only one, it seems), although by no means do I think the Devil is behind Q.

Q is information warfare started by one or more members within the military and intelligence communities, seemingly incentivized by the attack on the US embassy in Libya which cost embassador Stevens' life. A group of people within the US military would've turned against their masters because the Obama administration supposedly gave a stand-down order to special ops who could've intervened and saved him. They saw it as treason and realised, or already knew and decided to act on it, that American lives of those who serve the US were deemed expendable by their leaders. I don't think anyone knows who exactly Q is, but probably someone or some close to Michael Flynn.

Qanon is everyone who took Q's intel and ran with it, adding their own interpretations and theories to it which led to what happens every time there's a new conspiracy theory: it turns into a maze of fantasies where no one can distinguish the real from the false anymore. Most self-proclaimed Anons don't seem like political scientists or philosophers, seem fairly new to this conspiracy stuff and seem quick to believe pretty much anything that fits the theory. However, I don't think this is the part people should focus on.

Is it a psyop? It's probably in part a psyop, and partly something else. Every operation has an objective and that objective is something that most people who felt that the mainstream official narratives (fake news) were construed to hide the truth, could align with, ie. expose and eliminate the corrupt establishment. An easy one to get behind. One of its undeniable and in my opinion positive effects is that the collective consciousness of the corruption in our institutions has grown exponentially in the past 4 to 5 years. Topics that were restricted to the online community surfaced to the mainstream and can no longer be suppressed, not even by the draconian censorship big tech is implementing right now.

Psyops are operations to manage the people's spirits and behaviours and there are many psyops at once that are conflicting. Singling out Q as the psyop seems like a grave error, considering it's in my opinion clearly a reactionary psyop against other psyops that have already been long in play. In the years leading up to Q we've seen major psyops with terror attacks to elicit consent for endless wars in the Middle East, the rise of terrorist organisations seemingly appearing out of nowhere, an Arab Spring where people were made to believe there was an organic international uprising against corrupt autocrats, false flag chemical attacks to garner support for military interventions, appeal-to-emotions to facilitate massive population displacements, and then we're only zooming in on the Middle East.

I think Q is a rebellion by military and intelligence personnel, both active and retired, from within that deep state apparatus against a stranglehold by globalist factions that pull the political and military levers to syphon public and private wealth at the expense of, and garner international institutional control over, citizens worldwide.

In the US, I think Q genuinely represents a deep state faction that has existed for quite some time, but has not been in control for decades. People allegedly associated with Q, like Michael Flynn, seem reminiscent of nostalgic WASP Jacksonians predating the neocon/neolib tandem that has dominated the US for half a century. They portray themselves as patriotic, civic and economic nationalists, believers of American exceptionalism, limited government, and protectors of the Judeo-Christian value system, basically Americans from before the war. With regards to their plans to take down the deep state, I think only time will tell. I think there's a real attempt and they have been able to opt out of a military out-in-the-open hard coup when they realised they could have, and have had, an ideological ally in the White House. It'll probably continue with or without him and the extent of their success or failure remains to be seen.
.... erm......so......trust the plan or not trust the plan?

What would you advise? o_O

I'm not saying their statements are true, but I can say a lot of whack job theories attributed to Q are false.
So does this mean your still trusting the plan or distrusting the plan?

It all looks like a bit of a time wasting exercise to me that turned into a big time wasting exercise for those who trusted the plan.....because there never was one.

Their plans coding was so complex even @Kais_1 hasn't touched it.
 






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.... So does this mean your still trusting the plan or distrusting the plan?

It all looks like a bit of a time wasting exercise to me that turned into a big time wasting exercise for those who trusted the plan.....because there never was one.

Their plans coding was so complex even @Kais_1 hasn't touched it.
Where have I said I'm a Q follower or believer? False assumptions on your part. Reading Q statements does not mean I claim those statements are true and trustworthy.
 






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I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate (I'll be the only one, it seems), although by no means do I think the Devil is behind Q.

Q is information warfare started by one or more members within the military and intelligence communities, seemingly incentivized by the attack on the US embassy in Libya which cost embassador Stevens' life. A group of people within the US military would've turned against their masters because the Obama administration supposedly gave a stand-down order to special ops who could've intervened and saved him. They saw it as treason and realised, or already knew and decided to act on it, that American lives of those who serve the US were deemed expendable by their leaders. I don't think anyone knows who exactly Q is, but probably someone or some close to Michael Flynn.

Qanon is everyone who took Q's intel and ran with it, adding their own interpretations and theories to it which led to what happens every time there's a new conspiracy theory: it turns into a maze of fantasies where no one can distinguish the real from the false anymore. Most self-proclaimed Anons don't seem like political scientists or philosophers, seem fairly new to this conspiracy stuff and seem quick to believe pretty much anything that fits the theory. However, I don't think this is the part people should focus on.

Is it a psyop? It's probably in part a psyop, and partly something else. Every operation has an objective and that objective is something that most people who felt that the mainstream official narratives (fake news) were construed to hide the truth, could align with, ie. expose and eliminate the corrupt establishment. An easy one to get behind. One of its undeniable and in my opinion positive effects is that the collective consciousness of the corruption in our institutions has grown exponentially in the past 4 to 5 years. Topics that were restricted to the online community surfaced to the mainstream and can no longer be suppressed, not even by the draconian censorship big tech is implementing right now.

Psyops are operations to manage the people's spirits and behaviours and there are many psyops at once that are conflicting. Singling out Q as the psyop seems like a grave error, considering it's in my opinion clearly a reactionary psyop against other psyops that have already been long in play. In the years leading up to Q we've seen major psyops with terror attacks to elicit consent for endless wars in the Middle East, the rise of terrorist organisations seemingly appearing out of nowhere, an Arab Spring where people were made to believe there was an organic international uprising against corrupt autocrats, false flag chemical attacks to garner support for military interventions, appeal-to-emotions to facilitate massive population displacements, and then we're only zooming in on the Middle East.

I think Q is a rebellion by military and intelligence personnel, both active and retired, from within that deep state apparatus against a stranglehold by globalist factions that pull the political and military levers to syphon public and private wealth at the expense of, and garner international institutional control over, citizens worldwide.

In the US, I think Q genuinely represents a deep state faction that has existed for quite some time, but has not been in control for decades. People allegedly associated with Q, like Michael Flynn, seem reminiscent of nostalgic WASP Jacksonians predating the neocon/neolib tandem that has dominated the US for half a century. They portray themselves as patriotic, civic and economic nationalists, believers of American exceptionalism, limited government, and protectors of the Judeo-Christian value system, basically Americans from before the war. With regards to their plans to take down the deep state, I think only time will tell. I think there's a real attempt and they have been able to opt out of a military out-in-the-open hard coup when they realised they could have, and have had, an ideological ally in the White House. It'll probably continue with or without him and the extent of their success or failure remains to be seen.
You are absolutely right.

Q is an operation carried out by the special operations branch of the military.

Q represents a faction of the elites who have never had full control of America. They've had a lot of power at times, but what they want is a full takeover, essentially a fascist dictatorship. Trump represents the furthest this faction has come to that in modern history.

They are not the neolibs or the neocons, they are essentially Paleocons, and among these Paleocons are hardcore fascists attempting to pass themselves off as "populists"

They have often worked with the Neocon faction on many common agendas, about half the Neocons initially supported Trump, but now the neocon and neolib factions are united against the paleocons, as the Trump ship sinks.

Q is their psyop on the public to gain a brainwashed , cult following base of support. So is the vast majority of "alt media".

The Neolibs have the majority of major media

The Neocons have Fox News, although the Paleocons have had growing influence on here as well.

The Paleocons control the "alt media" plus your Breitbart, OAN, Newsmax.
 






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...but not one link. I did not know you or anyone else here was a Q expert, lol. But you did a good job of trying to make this thread your own.
 






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I’m not a q expert. My opinion on q us based solely on the fact that nothing predicted has ever come to fruition or anything even close, and on the effect I’ve seen it have on people I care about, and on some posters here that I have known long enough imo to notice a difference.

I know you all hate my anecdotes but I’m going to give you one anyway:

back in 2012 when the economy was in free fall, I got really sick and ended up having to leave my career because I coudnt physically handle it anymore. Lost my house because I left the job in a really shitty economic climate which made it hard to find another decent job etc. the specifics are irrelevant it is just background...

So I felt like the world was falling apart, that everything id worked so hard for was irreversibly lost, that doing things the “right way” had gotten my nowhere etc. I started calling psychics. I knew better then to call psychics but some part of me just kept thinking one of them somewhere might have the answer or the guidance I needed to figure this all out and turn it around. What started as a curious free trial offer for kicks and giggles turned into something I did frequently even somewhat compulsively until I snapped the fuck out of it when I realized how much money I was wasting for nothing. Any time things around me started to make no sense, every time I got down about the situation or a job interview didn’t work out or whatever I’d call a psychic - full well knowing it was ridiculous on one level but doing it anyway cuz I guess I hadn’t fully accepted that and their soothing responses that things would turn around worked for like a second.

q is for some people, it seems, what psychics were for me at that time. Q is more dangerous then those psychics ever were because the level of cognitive dissonance it is actually encouraging can lead to some really really bad things.. we just saw an example of this. There’s been others (q adherents chasing mothers in their vans cuz they’re convinced they were in the process of kidnapping a child for the sex slave trade). Mix that with the current political climate.. recipe for disaster imo. It seems to me this was the point of q from the start and that it was an operation at the very least encouraged by trump but I can’t say any of that conclusively.

I do not believe Q is actually a government insider with peoples best interest in mind that actually plans to do or even wants to do the things he keeps promising someone’s actually going to do. I’ve posted articles from people claiming they are the original q with plenty of details that make it seem likely, I’ve posted articles exploring how the owner of the servers is actually q or in contact with him which echo many of the points from the other article.There was some analysis done elsewhere that I didn’t post which focused in on a low level government employee (female) who’s been in constant contact with the owner of the servers I mentioned above.. and posits that she is q or that her+server owner is q. A popular q board was linked to a regular corporate guy in nj not to long ago and he shut it down after his identity was revealed. And as far as I can tell q has not said a word themselves in quite some time - this has taken on a life of its own.
 






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My short answer is I was speaking to the multiple claims by Vancity with no links.
that is my gist of Qanon and who is behind it based on many articles I've read on the subject, you aren't going to get all of that in one link, but i can point you in the direction to get a better understanding, but I'm pretty sure you aren't that interested.

what exactly are you disputing ?
 






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that is my gist of Qanon and who is behind it based on many articles I've read on the subject, you aren't going to get all of that in one link, but i can point you in the direction to get a better understanding, but I'm pretty sure you aren't that interested.

what exactly are you disputing ?
I would dispute that they want a fascist dictatorship. They seem to have been fighting a fascist dictatorship which we all now see unfolding before our naked eyes by their opponents.
 






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I would dispute that they want a fascist dictatorship. They seem to have been fighting a fascist dictatorship which we all now see unfolding before our naked eyes by their opponents.
Fascism is a political ideology.

What you and others always mix up is that authoritarianism is not Fascism or Socialism.

Socialism and Fascism are distinct ideologies.

Authoritarianism is the method to carry out ideologies.

You hear things like "Antifa are fascists for attacking free speech"

Opposing free speech does not make you a fascist, it makes you authoritarian.

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism. You can also have authoritarian socialism, which would be like the USSR.
 






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Fascism is a political ideology.

What you and others always mix up is that authoritarianism is not Fascism or Socialism.

Socialism and Fascism are distinct ideologies.

Authoritarianism is the method to carry out ideologies.

You hear things like "Antifa are fascists for attacking free speech"

Opposing free speech does not make you a fascist, it makes you authoritarian.

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism. You can also have authoritarian socialism, which would be like the USSR.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is (-) characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy​

Who does this apply to best?
 






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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is (-) characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy​

Who does this apply to best?
you didn't give the definition of fascism, you literally just cut out something to support your argument.

that just describes authoritarianism, I already talked about that, you left out this part of fascism

Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum

The extreme authoritarianism of fascism usually manifests itself in the belief in a "pure race" or "master race", usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry; the idea of "purity" has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilization, genocides, or forced deportations against a perceived other.[13][14][15]


that describes Trump to a tee by the way.
 






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you didn't give the definition of fascism, you literally just cut out something to support your argument.

that just describes authoritarianism, I already talked about that, you left out this part of fascism

Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum

The extreme authoritarianism of fascism usually manifests itself in the belief in a "pure race" or "master race", usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry; the idea of "purity" has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilization, genocides, or forced deportations against a perceived other.[13][14][15]


that describes Trump to a tee by the way.
And you’re alluding that trump did that for Jews and Israelis correct? It would be ridiculous to say that he was doing that for whites, or that anyone in the corporate government establishment is doing that. That’s literally the equivalent of a qtard theory from the left, just some imaginary nonsense that you want to believe. Or can you show me a single instance that trump said the words “white Americans”? Just the words, I’ll wait. Or does the establishment ban that type of thinking like its napalm and then scare you about secret white supremacists in the government working day and night to keep da black mayne down.
 






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And you’re alluding that trump did that for Jews and Israelis correct? It would be ridiculous to say that he was doing that for whites
There's more than one agenda with Trump.

Both zionism and white nationalism were goals. What you don't understand is that white nationalism comes in stages, it will not be accepted all at once. It starts with making it about culture, in which you can and will have minorities going along with it.
 






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There's more than one agenda with Trump.

Both zionism and white nationalism were goals. What you don't understand is that white nationalism comes in stages, it will not be accepted all at once. It starts with making it about culture, in which you can and will have minorities going along with it.
Ok now tell me how many Jewish organizations exist with the sole purpose of countering white nationalism. How many Jews have this as a 9-5 job? So how were they both goals?
 






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you didn't give the definition of fascism, you literally just cut out something to support your argument.

that just describes authoritarianism, I already talked about that, you left out this part of fascism

Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum

The extreme authoritarianism of fascism usually manifests itself in the belief in a "pure race" or "master race", usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry; the idea of "purity" has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilization, genocides, or forced deportations against a perceived other.[13][14][15]


that describes Trump to a tee by the way.
Yes, I left that part out with the (-).

But it doesn't matter that I left that part out, because I gave you the characteristics of fascism from that very definition and asked which group of politicians did it apply to best in the US.

And even if you include the "pure/master race" characteristic, the same question applies.


Find me a Trump equivalence that even comes close to this.
 






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Ok now tell me how many Jewish organizations exist with the sole purpose of countering white nationalism. How many Jews have this as a 9-5 job? So how were they both goals?
Because the elites are basically split, with Jews and people of any race , religion, on either side. Its a nonstop dialectic. Jews are typically motivated by either Zionism or Progressivism, and that is the left/right divide that effects not only Jews but all of us.

So its basically either progressivism (equality) or racial/religious/cultural supremacy of one type or another.

You should also ask yourself why so many Jews are prominent in pushing white nationalism and various degrees of the right wing culture war.

Sydney Gottfried was the Jewish grandfather of the "alt right" and Richard Spencer's mentor. Trumps Jewish advisor Steven Miller pushes white nationalism (he's also connected to Spencer by the way)

You should also ask why an IDF general went on Fox News to denounce "anti semitism" ON THE LEFT, after a right winger shot up a synagogue, killing 11 jews. Clearly protecting jews is not the real agenda, but furthering the left/right split was.
 






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It did what it was meant to do....

Get people to start questioning authority. If that authority gets defensive, why are they getting defensive?


Getting people to think for themselves and see through the manipulation, is all, I figured, the Q movement was really about.

Now the leaders are realizing this and doing things that, to me, shows....They fear the people.
 






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