Was Hollywood ever a Christian Institution?

[JoChris]

I have started this thread in response to an interesting claim from one of the Muslim regulars here:

I said this:

The media, the academic world, the entertainment world, the science world - every aspect of modern western society - attacks Christianity from every angle. Not all attacks involve missiles and bombs you know. The subtle subterfuge, eroding traditional morals over the past 100 years has been way more effective than any 9/11 style attack.

Aspiring Soul:

all these elements, are from within the christian world
they are people who've come out of Christianity.

As an example, since VC blog is focused on entertainment industry's dark side and secrets:

I want to see serious evidence - from anyone, whether Christian, non-Christian faiths, atheists - that Hollywood ITSELF was a Christian institution when it started. I know it did the occasional Christian film here and there, that isn't what I am referring to - I am referring to the entertainment industry's foundations.

Western society's morals have been attacked from many angles. IMO opinion Hollywood has been an important corner piece of the puzzle, or like the Queen on a chessboard.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Seems like a stretch to picture it as a Christian institution!!!! Perhaps you could make a case that over the years it has been a reflection of the outlook of the people viewing and commissioning films.

As Christianity has had a varied level of influence on American culture over the years this has reflected in the films produced. I loved Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, Barrabas etc.

You could be forgiven for thinking that at present the main religion of the US is Rosicrucianism or Freemasonry if you were to judge the culture by Hollywood's current output!!!

 

[AspiringSoul]

its mystery babylon aka the whore of babylon who runs hollywood
and tremember the whore sits on the beast
and the beast is?



bingo you got it, well done, it's Rome
Rome is christian.
Hence our prophet SAW conveniently said when Jesus returns he will 'break the cross and kill the pig'
wuttttt?
oh no it isn't literal, it's because the cross the symbol of roman conquest and the pig represents the imperial culture of rome.
As you know, Jesus will destroy the beast, that is Rome, of Daniel 2.


So christianity is being attacked by mystery babylon, yes
hence the Bolshevik jews also killed 30-40m orthodox christians!!
i suppose russia isn't rome, but the bolsheviks were funded by the banking cartel, looted russia and now have brought most of that money, to the west and israel.

im not making this up.

 

[Truthor]

Yeah, but it's all metaphoric. Pigs = lower chakra energy (specifically sacral chakra = sex). Jesus = heart chakra (higher, green energy).

Hollywood is based on false love/light (mostly lower chakras). Jesus (heart chakra) is based on actual love/caring for others.

BUT....it's still all a lie. Love is just an illusion, so none of it makes any real difference in the long run. It's all a lie.. ALL OF IT. EVERY SINGLE THING HERE. Christian, jewish, islamic, etc. All just bullshit to get us to choose a direction. A path. All to get something...anything...to matter to us. So that matter will be created. Without anything "mattering", there would be no matter.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Yeah, but it's all metaphoric. Pigs = lower chakra energy (specifically sacral chakra = sex). Jesus = heart chakra (higher, green energy).

Hollywood is based on false love/light (mostly lower chakras). Jesus (heart chakra) is based on actual love/caring for others.

BUT....it's still all a lie. Love is just an illusion, so none of it makes any real difference in the long run. It's all a lie.. ALL OF IT. EVERY SINGLE THING HERE. Christian, jewish, islamic, etc. All just bullshit to get us to choose a direction. A path. All to get something...anything...to matter to us. So that matter will be created. Without anything "mattering", there would be no matter.

sounds like the type of thing an italian football manager says in his first press conference in the english premier league.

 

[AspiringSoul]

and no pigs=gluttony is not associated with the sacral chakra/sex

and jesus is not associated with the heart chakra

and the sacral chakra is not 'lower', it is just a different function
in fact sacral chakra connects with the etheric life force which pertains to fertility, birth, regrowth/resurrection and hence Jesus is the fountain of life. the element of the sacral chakra is water, the baptism.
hence in islam John the baptist and Jesus were witnessed on the second heaven (the etheric plane).

glutony is a corruption of the third chakra that deals with self control in general inc dealing with lust, greed, envy etc, it's about conquering the fire of desire...
and hence Joseph is the one witnessed in the third heaven in islam.


it has nothing to do with the topic though.

the pig is only metaphorical here to symbolise western greed
like when you look at donald trump and his porky face.

 

[Thunderian]

From the beginning, there has never been such a concentration of greed and perversity as Hollywood.

 

[JoChris]

its mystery babylon aka the whore of babylon who runs hollywood
and tremember the whore sits on the beast
and the beast is?



bingo you got it, well done, it's Rome
Rome is christian.
Hence our prophet SAW conveniently said when Jesus returns he will 'break the cross and kill the pig'
wuttttt?
oh no it isn't literal, it's because the cross the symbol of roman conquest and the pig represents the imperial culture of rome.
As you know, Jesus will destroy the beast, that is Rome, of Daniel 2.


So christianity is being attacked by mystery babylon, yes
hence the Bolshevik jews also killed 30-40m orthodox christians!!
i suppose russia isn't rome, but the bolsheviks were funded by the banking cartel, looted russia and now have brought most of that money, to the west and israel.

im not making this up.

All the protestant Christians will agree with me that the current Roman Catholic church is NOT Christian. Therefore if Hollywood had been built on RC church, that would explain its non-Christian focus.

E.g. ancient silent black-and-white film. (1922) "Nosferatu" (type of vampire story).
Would a bible loving industry do a vampire film so early in its history? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_States#Rise_of_Hollywood

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

All the protestant Christians will agree with me that the current Roman Catholic church is NOT Christian. Therefore if Hollywood had been built on RC church, that would explain its non-Christian focus.

E.g. ancient silent black-and-white film. (1922) "Nosferatu" (type of vampire story).
Would a bible loving industry do a vampire film so early in its history? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_States#Rise_of_Hollywood

Given that Catholicism is a corruption of Christianity (which became so by degrees over the centuries) it is an interesting to consider the extent to which the Christian output of Hollywood is sympathetic to Catholic sensibilities.

 

[AspiringSoul]

All the protestant Christians will agree with me that the current Roman Catholic church is NOT Christian. Therefore if Hollywood had been built on RC church, that would explain its non-Christian focus.

E.g. ancient silent black-and-white film. (1922) "Nosferatu" (type of vampire story).
Would a bible loving industry do a vampire film so early in its history? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_States#Rise_of_Hollywood

but the point is the RC is not 'mystery babylon' and never was.
this entire myth was made when martin luther said it was so and in the same instance said the pope at that time was the anti-christ
so you should eliminate this false idea that the RC is 'mystery babylon'

i agree the current RC is certainly not true christianity yet the funny thing is even st augustine's trinitarian belief was based on the catholic church.
the protestants still hold onto catholic belief therefore, it's all the same.
i would even argue that protestanism and martin luther, were actually a sub creation of the RC itself!! it was manipulated to alter the power structure in europe, on the surface......
the end result of this catholic and protestant split was that the protestants became 'open' to trade with muslims and thus colonised them.
do you get this? good cop bad cop routine played out.

the catholics couldnt be seen doing business with jews, so they created protestanism to do precisely that and open the doors

i would say the RC is the Beast on which the whore sits, as in the whore is given the illusion of power without really realising the beast is really still in control and only using the whore.
the whore in question is the wicked woman mentioned in Zecheriah 5 who God says represented iniquity and was in fact the jewish nation. the woman was taken to the land of shinar to build her house there.
shinar=chaldean territory.
the chaldeans were famous black magicians who took control of babylon and employed all manner of dirty tactics to make the elite money men richer without getting their hands dirty.
hence in habakkuk 2 God says that the creditors (the ppl who gave the money/power/authority to the chaldeans to do the dirty work) would eventually grow tired and call in their money and hence cause the chaldeans to fall
and if you read habbbuk 2 very closely when that day was to come, the stones and beams in the home would speak out as witnesses against them, these themes all played out in Zechariah 5 too which is the text that connected the jews to the chaldeans
hence the jews became the new chaldeans after they went to babylon. they were afterall chaldean's slaves, do you get how important that all was? please seirously im begging you...no joke, read zechariah 5 closely and see how God talks of the 'curse' that goes out in the whole land
the theif and the one who makes false promises
what is this? think
go back to habakkuk 2, the theif is the one making wealth through usury..and the one making false promises is the one who cant pay the money
the curse is usury and it goes out in all the land, in every home.

now go and read jeremiah 2 and 3 and see the whole theme of adultery and whoredom.
this is now bias or jew hatred when im basing all of this on the prophecy given to jews and therefore pertains to THEM.


i also hate it when i say all this and christians just dont even bother to do real research and read the texts and discuss them back in detail.
these themes are so easy to understand since the bible is connected and explained clearly.

here im linking you to the texts so you may read them

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+2&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+3&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=habakkuk+2&version=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=zechariah+5&version=NIV




genuine question but why are you so averse to just accepting mystery babylon is the jewish power structure that controls the money, tv, movoes, music, media, global economy etc?
you need to pay closer attention

but all of this is a game played by the RC that's really worshipping lucife, going back to what i talked about them playing off both sides.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@AspiringSoul

"genuine question but why are you so averse to just accepting mystery babylon is the jewish power structure that controls the money, tv, movoes, music, media, global economy etc?"

Genuine question - would you agree with me that your Islamic background makes this interpretation more appealing as is falls in line with the message of the Qur'an?

 

[AspiringSoul]

@AspiringSoul

"genuine question but why are you so averse to just accepting mystery babylon is the jewish power structure that controls the money, tv, movoes, music, media, global economy etc?"

Genuine question - would you agree with me that your Islamic background makes this interpretation more appealing as is falls in line with the message of the Qur'an?

Well it's hard to agree with one who is so intellectually and theologically inept aswell as dishonest.

Jesus said, he would send the spirit of truth to teach you ALL THE TRUTH and tell you what is yet to come. You're implying the Quran is this extremely vindictive negative book despite the fact the entire mystery babylon theme is in the bible and ive based it off the bible, ive linked to chapters in the bible. Not a single christian here has done that much yet.

I put it to you guys that your perspective on mystery babylon is poor as it's from the same man who said the pope in his time was the anti-christ..and this was false. I put it to all of you that none of you would even be protestant if henry wasnt killing off his wives and seeking new ones and playing with religion to serve his ego.
As in it's only because of his desire for a son he divorced his wife and thus made an enemy of spain's emperor and thus made poor political decisions leading to getting screwed over by a france-spain alliance. Then he got pissed with the pope for brokering peace between spain-france and decided to stick it to the church by pushing the hell out of martin luther's ideas in england...and using cromwell to do it.
And he would have gone far far deeper, he would have rejected the trinity too
and today you would be believing in something else..
but he changed his mind because he didnt like the german/lutheran wife he was married to on the suggestions of cromwell, so much so he blamed cromwell for unrest in england (which henry caused) and then had cromwell killed but it was only really because he didnt fancy the german lutheran wife.


SO im the dude telling you that your protestant stance is a joke and im laughing at you for not even knowing it's origins and having the nerve to diss the catholic church which still has far more credibility than what you got.
your accusations against the rcc as pagan is a riot, given you already believe in pagan ideas so you are still half catholic whether you like it or not.
protestants are a branch of catholicism.
it is all a big joke.

and then you need to bring islam/the quran into it for being the source that brings me clarity on the contents of the bible?
the Quran teaches me, rightly, that there is good and bad amongst all people.

(2) And certainly We chose them, having knowledge, above the nations.
(سورة الدخان, Ad-Dukhaan, Chapter #44, Verse #32)


so you can forget about trying to portray me/us as anti-jewish.
the very theme i talk about is from the jewish book for God sake.
the prophets like Zechariah and jeremiah and Jesus were jewish......
so what the hell are you trying to pull?
red, you're a total joke at this point, you're another one who is constantly failing on this forum.

just read what you were linked to.
read jeremiah 2, 3, habakkuk 2, zechariah 5
yes im aware habakkuk was about the chaldeans, but zech 5 connets the jews/wicked woman to the chaldeans/babylon..
and the jews became slaves to the chaldeans and as it says in zech 5, they became the new chaldeans....
a house built in the land of shinar.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Well it's hard to agree with one who is so intellectually and theologically inept aswell as dishonest.

Jesus said, he would send the spirit of truth to teach you ALL THE TRUTH and tell you what is yet to come. You're implying the Quran is this extremely vindictive negative book despite the fact the entire mystery babylon theme is in the bible and ive based it off the bible, ive linked to chapters in the bible. Not a single christian here has done that much yet.

I put it to you guys that your perspective on mystery babylon is poor as it's from the same man who said the pope in his time was the anti-christ..and this was false. I put it to all of you that none of you would even be protestant if henry wasnt killing off his wives and seeking new ones and playing with religion to serve his ego.
As in it's only because of his desire for a son he divorced his wife and thus made an enemy of spain's emperor and thus made poor political decisions leading to getting screwed over by a france-spain alliance. Then he got pissed with the pope for brokering peace between spain-france and decided to stick it to the church by pushing the hell out of martin luther's ideas in england...and using cromwell to do it.
And he would have gone far far deeper, he would have rejected the trinity too
and today you would be believing in something else..
but he changed his mind because he didnt like the german/lutheran wife he was married to on the suggestions of cromwell, so much so he blamed cromwell for unrest in england (which henry caused) and then had cromwell killed but it was only really because he didnt fancy the german lutheran wife.


SO im the dude telling you that your protestant stance is a joke and im laughing at you for not even knowing it's origins and having the nerve to diss the catholic church which still has far more credibility than what you got.
your accusations against the rcc as pagan is a riot, given you already believe in pagan ideas so you are still half catholic whether you like it or not.
protestants are a branch of catholicism.
it is all a big joke.

and then you need to bring islam/the quran into it for being the source that brings me clarity on the contents of the bible?
the Quran teaches me, rightly, that there is good and bad amongst all people.

(2) And certainly We chose them, having knowledge, above the nations.
(سورة الدخان, Ad-Dukhaan, Chapter #44, Verse #32)


so you can forget about trying to portray me/us as anti-jewish.
the very theme i talk about is from the jewish book for God sake.
the prophets like Zechariah and jeremiah and Jesus were jewish......
so what the hell are you trying to pull?
red, you're a total joke at this point, you're another one who is constantly failing on this forum.

just read what you were linked to.
read jeremiah 2, 3, habakkuk 2, zechariah 5
yes im aware habakkuk was about the chaldeans, but zech 5 connets the jews/wicked woman to the chaldeans/babylon..
and the jews became slaves to the chaldeans and as it says in zech 5, they became the new chaldeans....
a house built in the land of shinar.

There is no need to be rude, I was simply asking the question. I'm not interested in arguing or leaping to my own defence over personal comments so I leave the question for you to consider or ignore as you like.

P.s. On Church history and persecution of Christians by the popes, I found the following information very helpful:

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-best-six-hours-i-ever-invested.3486/

 

[Dan Northman]

...the entertainment industry's foundations.

Hollywood was founded on Vice and Crime.

In the early 1900's producers of pornography for coin-operated peep-show machines fled New York for the "lawless west" of California mostly because of New York's vice laws against pornography and to illegally violate patents on motion picture technology.

That's how Hollywood started, in filth and criminality.

 

[AspiringSoul]

The rise of Protestantism is is a lot like the rise of shiasm in the 16th century with the safavids.....as in they were just listing for power and pushed that on ppl and now ppl sit around debating over shit like whether Ali or Abu bakr should be caliph number 1....
Ppl need to realise they follow thing because of absurd actions from rulers during the middle ages.
Catholicism and protestantism are two sides of the same coin. Both worship the creation and this all came from Rome and the Catholic church anyway.
Mystery Babylon in the modern age has nowt to do with any of that. It's about the fact a few million Jews control the world and run shit.
It is actually pretty admirable in one respect. I gotta give Jews props for just running such a tight operation for so long. But reading into the rise of the Chaldeans was fascinating .they were kind of like economic migrants....like gujus..and if there's any group on the world who could do aswell as Jews it's the gujus....they have the same traits. The Chaldeans were really the masters at the craft and the Jews just served as their slaves in exile...but the Jews learnt what they needed to learn
Don't talk about the Qur'an
Go read Zechariah 5 then come back to me
Tell me who the wicked woman is. Iniquity. The curse that goes out in all the land etc.
God's words not mine.

 

[Douglas Summers]

I have started this thread in response to an interesting claim from one of the Muslim regulars here:

I said this:

Aspiring Soul:

As an example, since VC blog is focused on entertainment industry's dark side and secrets:

I want to see serious evidence - from anyone, whether Christian, non-Christian faiths, atheists - that Hollywood ITSELF was a Christian institution when it started. I know it did the occasional Christian film here and there, that isn't what I am referring to - I am referring to the entertainment industry's foundations.

Western society's morals have been attacked from many angles. IMO opinion Hollywood has been an important corner piece of the puzzle, or like the Queen on a chessboard.

In the early years of Hollywood, The theme of Christianity were in the making and production of most films. Just find some old films like Tuner classics and look at the difference in those films to todays films. But the citizens of Hollywood exercised the desires of the flesh in their life styles in all generations till the flesh took over and became the norm....It was gradual, but when it came, it was like a whirl wind of slut and profanity.. There has always been corruption in Government (not at first) but, soon after it's formation. The biggest change in our falling came in the 60's. Watch Ken Burns "Vietnam" on Netflix. And the USA has fallen off the cliff ever since then. Their will be civil unrest in the coming years here in the United States, because of so called freedom of speech and freedom to assemble. This did not include destruction of property and life, which has taken over a peaceful protest. The news organizations have much to do with the corruption in our country. They are all liberal and post propaganda that incites violence. Most politicians run on the platform of fighting for the immoral rights? to live in sin.
There is a cultural clash of civil disobedience coming very soon if things do not change. They are trying to outlaw Christianity and promote Islam....But no one is paying attention. The whole world is against Christ, just as Christ said it would be (John 17:11-26)

 

[DesertRose]

Hollywood is increasingly Satanic (especially at the leadership level) and this site's articles highlight that.
Nothing Christian about Hollywood nor do they promote Islam, they link it to terrorism. Bye.

 

[Truthor]

and no pigs=gluttony is not associated with the sacral chakra/sex

and jesus is not associated with the heart chakra

and the sacral chakra is not 'lower', it is just a different function
in fact sacral chakra connects with the etheric life force which pertains to fertility, birth, regrowth/resurrection and hence Jesus is the fountain of life. the element of the sacral chakra is water, the baptism.
hence in islam John the baptist and Jesus were witnessed on the second heaven (the etheric plane).

glutony is a corruption of the third chakra that deals with self control in general inc dealing with lust, greed, envy etc, it's about conquering the fire of desire...

the pig is only metaphorical here to symbolise western greed
like when you look at donald trump and his porky face.

Sacral chakra IS in fact, lower. Not only is it lower on the body/spine, it actually resonates at a lower frequency. The lower you go, the lower in frequency, which is why the root chakra actual roots us to Earth (represents blood, family, babies) and why the higher chakras are based out of the spine, in the head (higher frequency (in "outer" space).

4th chakra, directly in the middle = unconditional love = the love of Jesus = no judgement = cleaner energy (green energy/veggies, fathers/dads, etc). It actually represents the father (God)...on Earth (Jesus). (which is why Earth (4, heart) is directly in between Saturn (1, root) and the Sun (7, crown).

It will be a waste of time to get into further debate on the subject with you as you clearly believe you know how the chakras relate to humanity (HUE-manity). Perverseness absolutely comes from the lower chakras...and much of Hollywood (and the music industry) is currently rooted in this perverseness.

I agree that the 3rd chakra is also representative of this lack of control, but the 2nd chakra is without a doubt, a driving force behind desire, particularly of flesh/seed, even though HOLLY (green) WOOD (yellow) was originally about the 4th and 3rd chakras operating together (green and yellow combining to equal GOLD (comedy gold/laughter/etc), it has devolved into even lower territory.

I believe the whole Anunnaki thing about mining for gold is actually about creating a false existence on Earth in order to make the pawns who exist here believe this reality "matters". Once you get people to believe their lives truly matter and get them to fear consequences/loss, entertainment can be created that revolves around this fear.

The strife, trials, struggles that exist, based on the false limitation that these pawns find themselves slaves to, can be reflected back to them in order to get them to feel something. These feelings can then be utilized by the unseen forces who control this reality. But these feelings, this resource/energy/gold would not exist if the pawns didn't TRULY believe their reality should be as limited as it is.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Hollywood is increasingly Satanic (especially at the leadership level) and this site's articles highlight that.
Nothing Christian about Hollywood nor do they promote Islam, they link it to terrorism. Bye.

It's all about game of thrones and Vikings
I don't bother watching movies unless they're epics.

 

[Thunderian]

Even when Hollywood has made Bible-based movies, it's always been about making money from them and not any desire to spread God's truth.

Having said that, The Ten Commandments is a great movie. Which brings me to my favourite Youtube clip of all time.

Warning: There is one cuss word in this clip.