War in Palestine

UnderAlienControl

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What are Israel’s borders? Does it have any?
https://www.theturbantimes.com/2017/01/10/what-are-israels-borders-does-it-have-any/

The late Naeim Giladi tells of an encounter and conversation he had with Ben Gurion in 1954:
After the Israeli attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in October, 1953, Ben Gurion went into voluntary exile at the Sedeh Boker kibbutz in the Negev. The Labor party then used to organize many buses for people to go visit him there, where they would see the former prime minister working with sheep. But that was only for show. Really he was writing his diary and continuing to be active behind the scenes. I went on such a tour.

We were told not to try to speak to Ben Gurion, but when I saw him, I asked why, since Israel is a democracy with a parliament, does it not have a constitution? Ben Gurion said, “Look, boy”-I was 24 at the time-“if we have a constitution, we have to write in it the border of our country. And this is not our border, my dear.” I asked, “Then where is the border?” He said, “Wherever the Sahal will come, this is the border.” Sahal is the Israeli army.
 

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In his book "The Invention Of The Jewish People" Israeli author Shlomo Sand, a Jewish professor of history from Tel Aviv University, makes the compelling case for the majority of Israeli (and all?) Jewish peoples being descendants of European converts and that the actual, Semitic Jewish people mainly converted to Islam during the time of Mohammed. This would indicate that todays Palestinian Semites are descendants of the Biblical Prophetic linage and therefore, of the family of Jesus as he was a Palestinian Jewish man and rabbi.
https://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234
 

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Israeli Companies Sell Spy Tech They Perfected for Occupying Palestine
We speak to Antony Loewenstein, author of an article on “Exporting the Technology of Occupation.” He shows the growing connection between Israeli offensive cyber companies and mass surveillance in the service of authoritarian governments around the world
 

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Israel isn't occupying anything.
UN General Assembly Calls on Israeli Occupation to Withdraw from Syrian Golan
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48321.htm

ISRAELI LEFTISTS BACK IRISH BID TO CRIMINALIZE WEST BANK SETTLEMENT ACTION
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-leftists-back-Irish-bid-to-criminalize-West-Bank-settlement-action-578365

The bill is called the “Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill 2018.” It makes it a criminal “offense for a person to import or sell goods or services originating in an occupied territory or to extract resources from an occupied territory in certain circumstances; and to provide for related matters.”
 

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We've been over this: you don't get to keep territory that you gained in conflict, This incentivizes war (and apparently israelis).
Israel has never been the aggressor in any war they've gained territory in the course of, and they have given up much of the land they've taken as a result of being attacked. They returned the Sinai to Egypt, there is not a single Jew in Gaza, and the PLO controls the West Bank.

So the only thing they can be said to be occupying, and which is technically Syrian, and not "Palestinian", territory, is the Golan Heights. To give up the "occupied" Golan would mean that Syrian tanks would be able to sit up there and lob shells at Israeli civilians, just like they used to. Since Syria and Israel are still pretty much at war with each other, Israel has every right to hold that land until peace can be made with Syria.
 

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Israel has never been the aggressor in any war they've gained territory in the course of, and they have given up much of the land they've taken as a result of being attacked. They returned the Sinai to Egypt, there is not a single Jew in Gaza, and the PLO controls the West Bank.

So the only thing they can be said to be occupying, and which is technically Syrian, and not "Palestinian", territory, is the Golan Heights. To give up the "occupied" Golan would mean that Syrian tanks would be able to sit up there and lob shells at Israeli civilians, just like they used to. Since Syria and Israel are still pretty much at war with each other, Israel has every right to hold that land until peace can be made with Syria.
In his book "The Invention Of The Jewish People" Israeli author Shlomo Sand, a Jewish professor of history from Tel Aviv University, makes the compelling case for the majority of Israeli (and all?) Jewish peoples being descendants of European converts and that the actual, Semitic Jewish people mainly converted to Islam during the time of Mohammed. This would indicate that todays Palestinian Semites are descendants of the Biblical Prophetic linage and therefore, of the family of Jesus as he was a Palestinian Jewish man and rabbi.
https://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234
 

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