Virginia Riot Or Situation False Flaggish

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http://stormcloudsgathering.com/stop-ww3/
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(the problems)
"Conservatives tend to be older, more established, with little appetite for catastrophic change, and right now the man they voted for is in power.

The spark insurrection almost always begin with people who are young enough to still have hope, and crazy enough to actually do something about it. This demographic also tends to lean left.

To further complicate matters these two group identities have grown farther and farther apart in recent years, and have even diverged linguistically.

The only way to inspire a break in the chain of obedience is to build a coalition that is able to work with, and ultimately steal market share from both of these identities, galvanizing them in opposition to a common threat (like thermonuclear war), and defining an identity against a new out-group, the madmen and useful idiots pulling us towards it (aka the neoliberal, neocon corporate alliance).

“You mean I’d have to cozy up with a bunch of leftist loon tards?”

“Ewwww… I don’t even want to be in a room with these mysoginist biggots.”

We get it. You hate each other. “They” are not us. They’re the out-group. They’re a hostile tribe that you’re being forced to share a territory with.

But then something horrific happens. An event that sends shockwaves through the culture. Leaving deep psychological scars.

At that moment petty disagreements will be set aside. The political and media establishment will rally the masses towards their “solution”: war.

You might hate each other now, but in times of war you’ll unify behind a flag. The out-group will be redefined in geopolitical terms, and most will fall for it.

A new found sense of patriotism will wash over the nation, like alcohol to cover the fear, and the executive will be elevated to god like status. Daddy is going to take care of you now. All you have to do is obey.

And then, laws like the Patriot Act, and the NDAA, on the books for years, but never fully implemented, will suddenly become terrifyingly relevant. There will be absolutely no restraints on power."

(a solution)

Wouldn’t it be better to come to terms with the stakes (as terrifying as they may be) and unify ourselves on something worthwhile, a common ground that any sane human being can agree on rather than let them have their way with us? Could we agree to unify just long enough to stop world war 3? Could we NOT learn this lesson the hard way.
 





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I think you completely missed my point...

So let me make this clear...

I believe that all oppressed people (including but not limited to the poor, the working class, women, and minorities) should stop bickering with each other, find common ground, and stand united. Together, we can dismantle the system that oppresses all people. We need to do this or things will never change.

Yet there are factions, through manipulation of higher powers, that work against this and pit us against each other. Radical feminists vs. men's rights activists, black vs. white, SJW vs. opponents to political correctness, etc. A lot of people buy into it and we all need to stop. It's a smoke screen used to turn us against each other and it needs to stop. There's more important shit we have to deal with and if we give into petty shit, we're letting them win.
I agree with what you are saying. However, I don't see how you feel that this isn't what this entire thread is about. That is the whole point of discussing whether or not we should join the hyped up narrative that this is was a "white supremacist" event and not an event organized for people who may have these views in order to create divisions.

I'm just a little confused by your position trying to encourage people to move away from being divided by the media's interpretation of events.

So far, I have concluded that this whole event was more than likely organized for these fringe groups. There is a strong possibility that these groups would never have organized a function for this subject on their own.

This is more than likely a way to shine a spotlight on the method of protest and make protest the subject of discussion because the end game is to get people to think that this is basically the only recourse the people have to oppose the government.

We are basically being trained to protest and will more than likely protest every future thing because they saw the protests in recent years trying to revive some spirit of protest we inherit as Americans from the time of the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war, not realizing that the enemy has been trying to overcome this method of revolution ever since.

The military has been studying crowd control methods for like over 40 years. To protest at this point, is to walk right into a trap. This is why I oppose all these forms of protests especially when they are about things like Trump being elected president and a vote being taken to transfer a statue to a museum. I just see them as methods of rounding up a large number of people at some point in the future.

In theory, we should have the freedom to protest. In practice, it is not a good strategy for a community movement at this point in history. This is, for lack of a better way to phrase this, exactly what the enemy wants.

What we should do is spend a lot more time reading and educating ourselves than gathering in social circles that only boost our egos in the short term and don't fight for anything that is actually needed to change the direction our country has taken.

That is all I heard on either side of this discussion from edited media clips is that this event served the ego. The one side were out there with their ego's raging that they were entitled to oppose "white supremacy." The other side has their ego's blazing that objecting to the removal of the statue is going to restore any of the freedoms we continue to lose.

However, still, I don't see how you support the dismantling of media created divisions by opposing the argument supporting giving people the freedom to assemble for their little event. This would also cure the media's division plague.

The whole thing could have been over and done with. They all would have gone home. We would have nothing to talk about if they had just let them have their little event and go home.

Freedom of speech is what allows competing arguments.

The argument of the fringe white supremacist groups that people are claiming make this event such an issue, have been competing with arguments from the civil rights movement for the last 50 years and losing consistently because the arguments from the civil rights movement are stronger.

That is the beauty of freedom of speech. You don't have to overcome something with force or violence in order to win the war.

Therefore, I just don't see how people don't have more confidence in this and could have just left these people alone, but they all decided to band together and let their egos get the best of them; and now the media has fodder to suggest that the US is divided by polarizing views, which I disagree with.

Although, this whole thread was a discussion on how this is not true. Therefore, we question the media interpretation of this event.

I mean really, I don't know if you are an American, but going out on a limb as though you are considering your contribution to the discussion, can you honestly say that you truly think there is a threat in any way, shape, or form of something like the Ku Klux Clan actually growing as a result of this event?

I just can't. I'm still pretty young, but that just has to be one of the things that are on the list of the least likely things that I think will ever happen in my lifetime.
 





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Awesome post rainerann, I've come to just about the same conclusions concerning mostly every issue discussed in your post, especially concerning how protests are more about the individual's ego and emotions getting a boost than any type of collective grassroots benefit or achieving anything positive for your fellow man. They only serve to benefit corrupt and malevolent power structures these days, and the benefits the corrupt classes receive from these protests are both vast and bountiful. I'll just sloppily list some I can think of off the top of my head:
providing the training for both police and population in herding/being herded and desensitizing them all to ever-escalating public street violence
giving the elite's propaganda distributors the raw footage they need from which to craft and edit their meticulously motive driven narratives
providing the ruling class with the real life identities of thousands of formerly anonymous people at a time who would be most likely to oppose them in the future("Know thy Enemy" is a very famous saying for a good reason, and there's also a good reason why "Be known by thy enemy" will never be)
I could go on and think up more, but just those alone are such massive windfalls for the corrupt classes to capitalize on that I just can't understand how any well-informed, free thinking, non deluded "activist" of any stripe would march into these entrapments, especially the more extremist variety we seem to be receiving lately
 





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Yes, it can be said that, to elect a non-politician, means that they have no one controlling them or pulling the strings as you may. They owe no one and that is exactly what American people thought they were getting when they voted for Trump. However, the real issue is that when you elect someone who is controlled by no one, that's exactly what you get, someone who cannot be controlled. They can do whatever they want to do, say whatever they want to say and try to make other people think the way they do, damn the consequences. Right now, America is dealing with that dilemma right now. There is no one who can reign in the untamed, wild and highly unpredictable act that is President Trump. When he pushes the button to nuke the rest of the world, there's no one to blame but him. He won't have any fall guys to say it was their doing or it was done on their advice. The American people wanted something different in the last election and as the saying goes, be careful with what you ask for. You just might get it.
 





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good, clear post.

i will still feel safe having a non-politician (trump, jesse ventura, etc) in the office. trump is untamed, definitely, but he is completely sane. there is no evidence to say otherwise, although CNN would have you believe it the way they blabber on about it. what has he done so far to prove his recklessness?
 





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I'm not saying that Donald Trump is insane but inept is just as dangerous, although they do say that the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Donald Trump keeps pushing the same ideas forward no matter how many times they are rejected. He keeps tweeting stupid outbursts, like some 4 year old, a thing which probably has most of his staff wanting to slap the back of his hand with a ruler and take his phone away. If anything, Trump is an egomaniac, full of his own self-image and convinced he can do no wrong. Publicity is his opium but he has to soon, very soon, realize that this is not a reality television show and that if he makes a mistake, the worst thing that could happen might not be that he could be fired. The fate of the world depends on his getting control of his emotions and to think more about his actions. The main problem is that there is also a carbon copy of him over in North Korea. Is Kim Jong Un insane? By the same argument that Donald Trump is not insane, neither is North Korea's leader. With neither side having a leader unwilling or unable to exercise some restraint and forethought, the rest of us are caught in the middle. When we depend upon China to help reign in North Korea, Donald Trump tells his people to unilaterally begin to investigate China for interfering in American businesses and stealing corporate secrets. Talk about pissing off a much needed ally at the wrong time. Maybe, its just an error in judgement but one with far reaching consequences. One day, he is speaking out about the evil of hate and those who espouse it. The next, he's telling everybody that there were people on the alt-left side that probably contributed to the violence in Virginia. I agree that he's right there but sometimes, the people don't want to hear the truth while tempers are still flaring. With the alt-left protesters shutting down free speech rallies with proper permits, either with violence or by putting pressure on those institutions willing to allow these protests, they are shutting down those they disagree with and becoming the reactive, violent entity they despise. They want to be the only voice with their holier than thou attitude and their feeling of entitlement has clouded their vision to the point that they no longer see they are acting exactly in the manner that they say others are doing. Trump has to understand that he cannot feed their fire and be a true politician. It's like tasting a brownie your favourite aunt has made and telling her it's tasty instead of saying it tastes like shit. The big difference between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un is that North Koreans have become so brainwashed that they believe anything their government tells them or they're too afraid to say anything lest they be tortured and killed, not necessarily in that order. Donald Trump does have to think about free speech and it's that same free speech that's at the center of all the trouble. The alt-right wants to have their say but the alt-left is using every means at their disposal to squash their right to free speech, even illegal violence. It takes a true statesman to helm the ship of America while all of this is happening but so far, Donald Trump has not shown himself to be the man for the job. Yes, he's faced adversity every step of the way from the Democrats, the American people and more recently, from his own party and trusted White House team, and perhaps, if he had been given the chance to do his job without all the naysaying from the get go, he might have learned to finesse his way through the things he wants to do, not charge through like a bull.
 





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He keeps tweeting stupid outbursts, like some 4 year old, a thing which probably has most of his staff wanting to slap the back of his hand with a ruler and take his phone away.

trump tweets his own tweets and employs a professional tweeter. just FYI.

If anything, Trump is an egomaniac, full of his own self-image and convinced he can do no wrong. Publicity is his opium but he has to soon, very soon, realize that this is not a reality television show and that if he makes a mistake, the worst thing that could happen might not be that he could be fired. The fate of the world depends on his getting control of his emotions and to think more about his actions. The main problem is that there is also a carbon copy of him over in North Korea. Is Kim Jong Un insane? By the same argument that Donald Trump is not insane, neither is North Korea's leader. With neither side having a leader unwilling or unable to exercise some restraint and forethought, the rest of us are caught in the middle. When we depend upon China to help reign in North Korea, Donald Trump tells his people to unilaterally begin to investigate China for interfering in American businesses and stealing corporate secrets. Talk about pissing off a much needed ally at the wrong time. Maybe, its just an error in judgement but one with far reaching consequences. One day, he is speaking out about the evil of hate and those who espouse it. The next, he's telling everybody that there were people on the alt-left side that probably contributed to the violence in Virginia. I agree that he's right there but sometimes, the people don't want to hear the truth while tempers are still flaring.

neither kim jong un nor trump is insane. kim needs to be legitimized by his people by puffing out his feathers for the first time to continue the tradition of the cult of personality in the democratic peoples republic. Dear father and dear leader used the same tactics. problem is that SO few people in the west know anything about north korea except what theyre told on the news. trump wants to show the world that he means business. the whole thing is much ado about nothing.

you want trump to not speak the truth about the alt-left being violent in virginia because tempers are flaring? we dont want to offend the left, is that it?
rip open the wound and squeeze the infection out. just allowing it to scab up wont heal a thing.


With the alt-left protesters shutting down free speech rallies with proper permits, either with violence or by putting pressure on those institutions willing to allow these protests, they are shutting down those they disagree with and becoming the reactive, violent entity they despise. They want to be the only voice with their holier than thou attitude and their feeling of entitlement has clouded their vision to the point that they no longer see they are acting exactly in the manner that they say others are doing. Trump has to understand that he cannot feed their fire and be a true politician. It's like tasting a brownie your favourite aunt has made and telling her it's tasty instead of saying it tastes like shit.

i disagree with your approach. trump handled it appropriately-- call out all of the negative elements in both factions. i totally support antifa right to protest as long as they do so peacefully. problem is they dont. trump called out the violent elements. the right happily distanced themselves from the extreme rights violence. the ultra left did not.
trump needs to keep pushing that stance of zero tolerance for violence and have both sides police themselves. if anything, he could praise and encourage peaceful elements of both groups. that would be constructive. debrainwashing the left will have to wait until later.

Yes, he's faced adversity every step of the way from the Democrats, the American people and more recently, from his own party and trusted White House team, and perhaps, if he had been given the chance to do his job without all the naysaying from the get go, he might have learned to finesse his way through the things he wants to do, not charge through like a bull.


youre english, am i right? americans arent as polite and dare i say, civilized. soft and gentle may work over there, but in the US, it would have no effect. we need straight, clear talk in situations like this.
 





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No, I'm not English, better, I'm Canadian and up here in Canada, we have a leader whose idea to solving a problem is to leave the country for a vacation or a working trip so he doesn't have to answer questions.

Photo ops are his main concern and his idea to deal with North Korea is to strongly condemn their actions. At one time, he wanted to help the people in Afghanistan suffering from the war and he sent them winter jackets. Watch out ISIS, the people have warm coats.

Trump may not be perfect but I believe he's twice the leader Trudeau is. He won't even join in the bombing in Afghanistan to get ISIS out of there. In times of war, it's no time to bury your head in the sand.
 





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Trump may not be perfect but I believe he's twice the leader Trudeau is. He won't even join in the bombing in Afghanistan to get ISIS out of there. In times of war, it's no time to bury your head in the sand.
You have got to be joking.....
The so called isis in Af/pak is actually TTP Pakistani Taliban renamed and they are terrorists funded by RAW the Indian intel.....do you even comprehend that or are you going to start the fake news in bullet form? (TTP have nothing to do with the Afghani Taliban fyi).
IS in Af/Pak is a joke! Keep getting fed propaganda.
Peace is always better than war, makeorbreak......(the most antiwar people are usually ex-military)
Hence a peaceful Trudeau will always be better than a warmongering Trump.
 





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Looks like soon Americans will only have time to think upon the issues facing them at home:
Charles Nenner, renowned financial and geopolitical analyst : (at Greg Hunter's channel YT) video discusses finance for the most part but considers trouble within the US as worst than the trouble with North Korea.
 





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I agree with what you are saying. However, I don't see how you feel that this isn't what this entire thread is about. That is the whole point of discussing whether or not we should join the hyped up narrative that this is was a "white supremacist" event and not an event organized for people who may have these views in order to create divisions.

I'm just a little confused by your position trying to encourage people to move away from being divided by the media's interpretation of events.

So far, I have concluded that this whole event was more than likely organized for these fringe groups. There is a strong possibility that these groups would never have organized a function for this subject on their own.
Kinda sorta, in my opinion.

They are certainly using those groups against each other, but they've all existed for decades. Antifa, in its current incarnation, was something that rose out of the punk movement when white nationalists tried to use the scene as a ground to recruit... They were, and for a long time remained, punk rock's equivalent to certian strains of religious fundamentalism; we meaning but they often saw the devil (or in their case, fascism) where there was nothing.

White nationalists, on the other hand, also existed. But more on them, later.
This is more than likely a way to shine a spotlight on the method of protest and make protest the subject of discussion because the end game is to get people to think that this is basically the only recourse the people have to oppose the government.

We are basically being trained to protest and will more than likely protest every future thing because they saw the protests in recent years trying to revive some spirit of protest we inherit as Americans from the time of the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war, not realizing that the enemy has been trying to overcome this method of revolution ever since.

The military has been studying crowd control methods for like over 40 years. To protest at this point, is to walk right into a trap. This is why I oppose all these forms of protests especially when they are about things like Trump being elected president and a vote being taken to transfer a statue to a museum. I just see them as methods of rounding up a large number of people at some point in the future.

In theory, we should have the freedom to protest. In practice, it is not a good strategy for a community movement at this point in history. This is, for lack of a better way to phrase this, exactly what the enemy wants.
They want to demonize radicalism and reinforce loyalty to the status quo. The less people willing to throw a wrench in the system the less trouble they have of controlling the masses.

And yes, it's dangerous to protest in these day of age. But I also feel it's dangerous to simply remain quiet. There's also a lot of ways to protest without marching on the streets. Printing out flyers and posting them, creating art, etc. You don't have to march on the streets with signs and slogans.

But remaining passive? That's even worse, IMO.

What we should do is spend a lot more time reading and educating ourselves than gathering in social circles that only boost our egos in the short term and don't fight for anything that is actually needed to change the direction our country has taken.
Priding ourselves are enlightening scholars but not doing anything to try to educate others is just as ego-driven, if not more so.

However, still, I don't see how you support the dismantling of media created divisions by opposing the argument supporting giving people the freedom to assemble for their little event. This would also cure the media's division plague.

The whole thing could have been over and done with. They all would have gone home. We would have nothing to talk about if they had just let them have their little event and go home.

Freedom of speech is what allows competing arguments.
Division comes only when people refuse to find common ground. Sometimes, it is impossible; white supremacists are never going to get along people that are militantly anti-racists... However, I have seen libertarians and socialists able to get along and share a common ideal.

The argument of the fringe white supremacist groups that people are claiming make this event such an issue, have been competing with arguments from the civil rights movement for the last 50 years and losing consistently because the arguments from the civil rights movement are stronger.

That is the beauty of freedom of speech. You don't have to overcome something with force or violence in order to win the war.

Therefore, I just don't see how people don't have more confidence in this and could have just left these people alone, but they all decided to band together and let their egos get the best of them; and now the media has fodder to suggest that the US is divided by polarizing views, which I disagree with.

Although, this whole thread was a discussion on how this is not true. Therefore, we question the media interpretation of this even
This is where I will disagree.

White supremacists, neo-fascists and the like just don't go away if you ignore them. (Well, if you completely ignore them, as if they don't exist and you don't even acknowledge they are a thing - but no one does this.) If left alone, they will continue to try to divide people. It's their MO; its how they've rose to power in the past, historically. And while they might be against the status quo, their goals end up serving the powers that be.

I mean really, I don't know if you are an American, but going out on a limb as though you are considering your contribution to the discussion, can you honestly say that you truly think there is a threat in any way, shape, or form of something like the Ku Klux Clan actually growing as a result of this event?
As someone who spent a lot of time studying white supremacists, yes.
 





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Yes, it can be said that, to elect a non-politician, means that they have no one controlling them or pulling the strings as you may. They owe no one and that is exactly what American people thought they were getting when they voted for Trump.
Trump owes a lot more people that folks like to believe. A lot of people seem to forget he has debt.
 





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If people think Donald Trump is some renegade bucking the system... I've got some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

He wouldn't even have got to run if he wasn't under the elites' control. It's not like they're about to let some loose-cannon renegade even get that far. Think about how long they've been running things. It's 2017.