Slippery slope argument. What happensStill don’t see a need for an ar-15, not when assholes are running around using them to slaughter people.
Slippery slope argument. What happensStill don’t see a need for an ar-15, not when assholes are running around using them to slaughter people.
Thank you for being honest and acknowledging both that it’s a WANT and that it won’t do shit if we have to fight the government.For me it's more about want than need.
I can't think of any reason to ban any specific gun. The gun itself doesn't do anything.
Fully agree with you. We would need directed energy weapons at least.
In this case, I think it's about the politicians/ lobbyists etc. moving into the state and not really representing Virginians. For me, it's students that skew local elections. Nationally, I don't want a handful of heavily populated states dictating. A lot of nuance for this issue.
If they use a gun that has a valid use otherwise - which those do - the argument changes.Slippery slope argument. What happenswhenif the assholes start using shotguns, .45 or 30.06?
Totally incorrect.If they use a gun that has a valid use otherwise - which those do - the argument changes.
@weskrongden the majority of these mass shootings have been with ar’s and similar.
Who gets to define valid use and wouldn't going out in the yard and popping off a few rounds be a valid use?If they use a gun that has a valid use otherwise - which those do - the argument changes.
It's not a temper tantrum, you aren't informed on the issue. You can fire off just as many rounds with a pistol and reload them almost instantly, just like an AR. The main difference is accuracy and power over range, which doesn't really matter for your mass shooter scenarios.47 mass shootings using assault style weapons, out of 117 shootings - that’s 40%. The article you cited conveniently doesn’t give the number of people killed in any of these incidents. When these types of guns are used the death toll rises exponentially. That’s a problem for me.
As previously stated there are many valid uses for handguns and shotguns. If ALL the shootings occurred with them I still wouldn’t support banning or limiting there use because of this. But that isn’t the case either. So while I understand your passionate about this you might want to work on your argument a bit, because right now it is coming off a bit much like a temper tantrum.
Not when weighed against costs. Think of it as a cost/benefit analysis like we use for like everything but most easily identifiable in business. That’s how I do.Who gets to define valid use and wouldn't going out in the yard and popping off a few rounds be a valid use?
I’m informed enough for what I need to know. I know the right to bear arms is important, I exercise it. I know the responsibility to prevent mass slaughters is equally important. And somewhere between the two lies the answer. The right of a child or really any innocent person to life isn’t less important than the right of a gun owner who wants to shoot off ar’s in his backyard and neither are more or less important then the right to defend oneself which is enshrined in our constitution. Balance, in all things is required. So is compromise.It's not a temper tantrum, you aren't informed on the issue. You can fire off just as many rounds with a pistol and reload them almost instantly, just like an AR. The main difference is accuracy and power over range, which doesn't really matter for your mass shooter scenarios.
But let's say we accept that ARs are deadlier. If I knew there was going to be an attack on my life today and I could choose to defend myself with an AR or a handgun, I'm going to take an AR.
To some the fun/skill of shooting is worth more than the money.Not when weighed against costs. Think of it as a cost/benefit analysis like we use for like everything but most easily identifiable in business. That’s how I do
Fuck the outside experts... they're almost always bought and paid for.outside expert opinions weighted more
No, you don't know anything about the issue or firearms. All you did was throw out a bunch of cliches. In 2018, the amount of people killed from a mass shooting was 373 people. Do you know how statistically insignificant number that is? The fact is the vast majority of gun related deaths are not mass shootings and are handguns.I’m informed enough for what I need to know. I know the right to bear arms is important, I exercise it. I know the responsibility to prevent mass slaughters is equally important. And somewhere between the two lies the answer. The right of a child or really any innocent person to life isn’t less important than the right of a gun owner who wants to shoot off ar’s in his backyard and neither are more or less important then the right to defend oneself which is enshrined in our constitution. Balance, in all things is required. So is compromise.
Which is 373 too many. Targeting the gun, however, is not the right course of action. Not to say that you were implying otherwise.In 2018, the amount of people killed from a mass shooting was 373 people.
I didn’t mean costs as in money. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I meant costs as in your fun vs the death toll that arises from the same instrument.To some the fun/skill of shooting is worth more than the money.
Fuck the outside experts... they're almost always bought and paid for.
Then what is?Which is 373 too many. Targeting the gun, however, is not the right course of action. Not to say that you were implying otherwise.
No they don’t owe me an explanation. But the constitution was also written at a time when guns like this didn’t exist. Things change. Lots of amendments have been made to the constitution over time as things changed.Can you provide a reason for most of the things you own - especially the non-essentials like more clothes, cars, tv's, computers or even food than you need? Do you own a house? Does it have a yard? Do you have pets? If so... why. None of these are actually needed.
When you start going down the path of questioning what others 'need', that same question can be pointed right back at you... and then legislated against because someone else feels you don't need all the things that you have. The Constitution provides for gun ownership, therefore it's a right. If a person legally owns any type of gun, they don't owe you an explanation.
No unnecessary deaths arise from my instruments. JSI didn’t mean costs as in money. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I meant costs as in your fun vs the death toll that arises from the same instrument.
The roads not being designed for that kind of speed is also a factor.It’s really fun to drive 120mph, however, when you do so the rate of accidents increases along with the fatality risk
Mental health could be a start, but that's another slippery slope I don't want to go down. Sometimes freedom is messy.Then what is?
Yes an AR 15 is a better gun in a FIRE FIGHT agreed , but that scenario is as likely as Bigfoot flying a UFO . In a home break in were you have family members in other rooms and neighbours your just as likely to kill your kids and neighbours with high power rifle ammo . A 230 grain Federal JHP has way more knock down power that a 55g 5.56 .What are you talking about? Right wing goofs? Coming from someone who thinks a 1911 has more practical purpose in a gunfight than an AR15, lol. You don't know anything about firearms. I could find you source after source completely proving your wrong. You don't even need to know much about firearms to understand that an AR15 is more effective than any pistol. It is easier to aim, it is steadier, it has more stopping power, it can fire more rounds, ect... ARs are extremely functional, please stop polluting the discussion with ridiculous non sense like this. At least base your opinions on modicum of facts and logic.
There is no way to win the vote when you bring in constant massive flows of immigrants who don't assimilate or respect the Constitution. If you think people won't go to a Civil War to protect their 2nd Amendment rights you are mistaken. A civil war is an extremely likely scenario with the left beginning to impose it's will on restricting the rights for the rest of us.
You are a smart person !We seriously don’t live in a free society though. We say we do but we don’t. There are like a bajillion laws already on the books limiting our freedoms in a bajillion ways. Yet this seems to be the only issue that most “freedom” lovers seem to care about or argue about.
16 year old kids can’t by lighters for chrissakes. There’s a million valid important reasons to have a lighter. I see no one pissed off about this. But one tiny inconsequential example of all the ways we are decidedly not free.
Freedom is great. It’s important. But where your right to freedom ends is when it rubs up on one of my rights. That’s how it works. Deciding where that line is drawn is the issue. We have a right to own firearms but we also have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Finding a balance is what’s needed when people aren’t responsible in exercising their rights.
@Lurker you truly are all about freedom. Even when we disagree I have a massive amount of respect for that and you as a result. I have never once in all these years seen you contradict yourself. The same can not be said for the majority of these gun right freedom lovers.
@Lurking009 shoes can not kill people. Atleast use a more appropriate comparison.