US War on Domestic Terror

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Thanks for the links. Both OG articles were well written. The Reichstag fire is an important event to remember how easily FF's can result in the loss of constitutional liberties. I liked the quote from Huey Long about fascism which led me to look up his history. I'm thinking now about a local Share Our Wealth club. :) It's good to know there are leftist activists like Johnstone and several others speaking out against increased policing based on dubious, hyperbolic narratives. I'll be reading more about the 2012 NDAA you referenced as it's critical to understanding the dangerous path America is headed down.

The Atlantic piece shows again there is a faction of the intelligence/security community determined to silence all speech that opposes their interests. Every one of these biased articles source the ADL to help define how the public is supposed to react to mass shootings or hateful speech. It's obvious what groups are continually forcing the "white supremacy" narrative- an extreme minority exhibiting power through over-representation. Shouldn't it be a concern when all the heads of the DHS's CVE branch (Countering Violent Extremism) leave their posts for the ADL? We deserve a wider range of opinions in our policy discussions.

To comment on what the Zone was describing, I'm also frustrated by attempts to railroad entire populations and varying issues into solutions requiring increased surveillance. The picture the ADL paints of the US is a lie. I've lived here for decades and can agree there is some hatred between ethnic groups but these attitudes are extremely fringe. The reality and source of friction is that we're all poor! 5% of the population owns 75% of the wealth here. We don't live in a democracy; this is a decaying empire. I'll argue to my dying breath that if we could invest in inner cities, invest in distant rural communities, the stress and divisions among our demographics will magically disappear. As we've all said the elites don't want solutions; their only answer is technocratic control over populations.
Solutions would require sharing some of their gold pile, they’d rather everything burn to the ground than do that.
 






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Greenwald: The New Domestic War on Terror is Coming

"...much of the alarmism and fear-mongering is being driven by a deliberate distortion of what it means for speech to “incite violence.” The bastardizing of this phrase was the basis for President Trump’s rushed impeachment last week. It is also what is driving calls for dozens of members of Congress to be expelled and even prosecuted on “sedition” charges for having objected to the Electoral College certification, and is also at the heart of the spate of censorship actions already undertaken and further repressive measures being urged....This phrase — inciting violence— was also what drove many of the worst War on Terror abuses. I spent years reporting on how numerous young American Muslims were prosecuted under new, draconian anti-terrorism laws for uploading anti-U.S.-foreign-policy YouTube videos or giving rousing anti-American speeches deemed to “incite violence” and thus provide “material support” to terrorist groups — the exact theory which Rep. Schiff is seeking to import into the new domestic War on Terror."

"...If you identify as a conservative and continue to believe that your prime enemies are ordinary leftists, or you identify as a leftist and believe your prime enemies are Republican citizens, you will fall perfectly into the trap set for you. Namely, you will ignore your real enemies, the ones who actually wield power at your expense: ruling class elites, who really do not care about “right v. left” and most definitely do not care about “Republican v. Democrat” — as evidenced by the fact that they fund both parties — but instead care only about one thing: stability, or preservation of the prevailing neoliberal order."
 






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As i said, i'll mainly be posting older material to highlight a build up to the present.

The Patriot Act made all Americans potential enemies of the state, and the National Defense Authorization Act gave the US military and espionage agencies the ability to ignore all considerations of law or civil rights. You have read of some of the problems in US agriculture and the problems with so-called “factory farms” where animals are raised in abhorrent conditions.

Today in the US, anyone investigating the toxic conditions and abuses on these farms risks being prosecuted under the same terrorism legislation, for causing “losses to American businesses” owned by the top 1%. One Ph.D candidate at MIT, whose name appeared on one of these prosecution lists, wrote,

“It is deeply sobering to see one’s name in an FBI file proposing terrorism charges. It is even more sobering to realize the supposedly terroristic activities in question are merely exposing the horrific cruelty of factory farms and educating the public about what goes on behind those closed doors”.

Congress recently passed a new law that effectively criminalizes all public protests, and categorizes civil society movements like Occupy Wall Street as “domestic terrorism”. The Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act give the military and espionage agencies unlimited powers. The law is deliberately vague, so that almost anything could be included within the criminal definition, and so broad that almost every American today could be labeled a suspected terrorist. The intent is to intimidate all citizens and stifle any public criticism of US government acts or policies. Any of the following actions may get a US citizen labeled as a suspected terrorist today:

(1) Speaking out against government policies,

(2) Protesting against anything,

(3) Questioning the government’s many wars,

(4) Asking questions about Wall Street Banks and the FED,

(5) Taking pictures or video, especially of police.

According to US Department of Defense training manuals, any public protest is considered “low-level terrorism” today, and all anti-war protesters are now classified as terrorists.

The US government is using the Patriot Act and various other bits of new legislation not only to outlaw most of the basic civil freedoms in the country, but these laws are so vague as to permit virtually any domestic atrocity against civilians.
Anyone today who speaks out against any US government policies can be arbitrarily classified as either a terrorist or an “unlawful enemy combatant” and imprisoned indefinitely without charge or trial. Few people seem aware that the US media are compelled by law to report to the FBI/CIA all communication (letters to the Editor, etc.) that is critical of the US government.
 






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Mike Ruppert discussed the fact that the Patriot Act was used for Muslims but would be expanded for dissidents back in the early 2000's.
MSR#10 ~ "Heroes & Martyrs" | A Tribute to Mike Ruppert (1951-2014)


Collapse of Freedom and the New Police State w: Michael Ruppert


Michael Ruppert laments:

My country is dead. Its people have surrendered to tyranny and in so doing, they have become tyranny’s primary support group; its base; its defender. Every day they offer their endorsement of tyranny by banking in its banks and spending their borrowed money with the corporations that run it. The great Neocon strategy of George H.W. Bush has triumphed. Convince the America people that they can’t live without the ‘good things’, then sit back and watch as they endorse the progressively more outrageous crimes you commit as you throw them bones with ever less meat on them. All the while lock them into debt. Destroy the middle class, the only political base that need be feared. Make them accept, because of their shared guilt, ever-more repressive police state measures. Do whatever you want.
 






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What Every Local Civic Leader In America Must Know About Technocracy’s Global Coup d’Etat
"Your cities, towns and communities have the power to stop any part of Technocracy dead in its tracks, if only they would understand what is going on and take action."
 






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Mike Ruppert discussed the fact that the Patriot Act was used for Muslims but would be expanded for dissidents back in the early 2000's.
MSR#10 ~ "Heroes & Martyrs" | A Tribute to Mike Ruppert (1951-2014)


Collapse of Freedom and the New Police State w: Michael Ruppert

I'll be reading more about the 2012 NDAA you referenced as it's critical to understanding the dangerous path America is headed down.
For all the years that I’ve spent in the conspiracy world, the 2012 NDAA and Jade Helm in 2015 are two of the things that I recall sending alt-media in a tizzy so its kinda hard to forget about them and in 2011/2012 I was still an Alex Jones regular reader. :)


Michael Ruppert laments:

My country is dead. Its people have surrendered to tyranny and in so doing, they have become tyranny’s primary support group; its base; its defender. Every day they offer their endorsement of tyranny by banking in its banks and spending their borrowed money with the corporations that run it. The great Neocon strategy of George H.W. Bush has triumphed. Convince the America people that they can’t live without the ‘good things’, then sit back and watch as they endorse the progressively more outrageous crimes you commit as you throw them bones with ever less meat on them. All the while lock them into debt. Destroy the middle class, the only political base that need be feared. Make them accept, because of their shared guilt, ever-more repressive police state measures. Do whatever you want.
I can’t watch videos at the moment because my connection is spotty but I look forward to as it seems interesting, going by the title.

At this point, I would love to rub it in everyone’s face who said muslims/Middle Easterners are: natural-born terrorists, uncivilized (Erik Prince called Iraqis barbarians), clue-less about “democracy and freedoms”, stuck in the Stone Age etc. because they didn’t realize that the “terrorism buck” didn’t stop at muslims or “the other” and that it was eventually going to claim their own lives. Well, maybe now they’ll begin to reconsider the lies that MSM sold them.

It’s funny, isn’t it, that in 2019 Trump was applauded for getting rid of ISIS but unbeknownst to many, they would be replacing al-Baghdadi and his ragtag army as the latest terrorism threat because that’s what the playbook dictates.
 






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We know the intelligence apparatus has an event planned so it’s not like any of this is news. I hazard it will be major/momentous and like 9/11 split the population (us vs them middle easterners). So whatever is coming will, I believe, further fragment or erode whatever social fabrics are left.
 






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Let’s not kid ourselves, like 9/11, European countries are also going to run with the domestic terrorism narrative.
Canada to Designate Proud Boys as Terrorist Entity

I thought of your quote when I saw these articles early in the week. I've never heard anyone mention it but I felt there was a correlation between all the pre-election warnings of violence in the US and the attacks in France the week before the election. Can anyone still believe events are just coincidence? I haven't heard DR's link from P. Wood yet but knowing his work reminds me the policies we're witnessing on a domestic level are very much part of a greater globalist agenda. The West's war on domestic terror is a war on activism and free speech first and foremost.
 






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Canada to Designate Proud Boys as Terrorist Entity

I thought of your quote when I saw these articles early in the week. I've never heard anyone mention it but I felt there was a correlation between all the pre-election warnings of violence in the US and the attacks in France the week before the election. Can anyone still believe events are just coincidence? I haven't heard DR's link from P. Wood yet but knowing his work reminds me the policies we're witnessing on a domestic level are very much part of a greater globalist agenda. The West's war on domestic terror is a war on activism and free speech first and foremost.
(the bolded part) Yeah, i remember Artful Revealer saying something similar. I'll update my post when i locate his.

It’s definitely going to snowball. I was watching an interview with a Dutch journalist on the recent riots in the Netherlands over the covid curfew. He said the protestors/rioters are being called terrorists. I thought to myself “well, authorities are getting desperate”.

I’ve tried to find a statement from Dutch authorities, lawmakers or some other prominent figures to corroborate his statement on the rioters being dubbed terrorists but I haven’t found anything apart from a travel advisory…but I’ll keep looking.
 






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At this point, I would love to rub it in everyone’s face who said muslims/Middle Easterners are: natural-born terrorists, uncivilized (Erik Prince called Iraqis barbarians), clue-less about “democracy and freedoms”, stuck in the Stone Age etc. because they didn’t realize that the “terrorism buck” didn’t stop at muslims or “the other” and that it was eventually going to claim their own lives. Well, maybe now they’ll begin to reconsider the lies that MSM sold them.
Karly hopefully but I am not holding my breath:).
The stage for Americans now is to pay attention to the information warfare that is online.
It is going to be a battle of narratives.
If they lose the narrative war the elite will change the rules of the game in many areas (with tools such as more censorship and skewed access to information) They will exercise their power of ownership and control while leftists and right wingers still focus on politics.
Those who care about their liberties should obstruct the new 'Domestic Terrorism bill"
Prepare for the new “Domestic Terrorism Bill” The Patriot Act 2 is on the way, from the same author behind the smash-hit original
]https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/08/prepare-for-the-new-domestic-terrorism-bill/

The Globalists Prepare War on "Domestic Terrorism" - #NewWorldNextWeek

 






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Karly hopefully but I am not holding my breath:).
Oh, i think they'll be forced to reconsider....once they become victims of the same game, rules and laws. Remember the famous quote "first they came for...."
Karly hopefully but I am not holding my breath:).
The stage for Americans now is to pay attention to the information warfare that is online.
It is going to be a battle of narratives.
If they lose the narrative war the elite will change the rules of the game in many areas , with tools such as more censorship and skewed access to information. (Maybe they will change access to the internet as a whole.)
Those who care about their liberties should obstruct the new 'Domestic Terrorism bill"
Prepare for the new “Domestic Terrorism Bill” The Patriot Act 2 is on the way, from the same author behind the smash-hit original
]https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/08/prepare-for-the-new-domestic-terrorism-bill/

The Globalists Prepare War on "Domestic Terrorism" - #NewWorldNextWeek

Thanks. I'll read and watch when possible.
And i agree that this domestic terrorism narrative, as it's being shaped, should be disseminated far and wide so that any proposed laws are struck down through pressure from the public.
 






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Strategic Relocation with Special Guest, Joel Skousen | Good Dudes Show #39


Joel Skousen Returns - Strategic Relocation 2 | Good Dudes Show #41

 






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[Start at 15min mark-20min mark]
She was asked about “Imminence” and this was part of her response

"The same has been traditionally true in international law that to use force in national self-defence you have to do it against a threat that is imminent….But the weird new twist which I think is kinda Orwellian which came out in a leaked 2011 DOJ memo on the justification for killing US citizens (Alwaki was the sort of raison d’etre for this memo) made a completely topsy-turvy argument about imminence that essentially said that when it comes to terrorists, the nature of terrorists is that they are always plotting against us. By nature we cannot know when their next move will be, we just know they’ll always be plotting against us and there will be something. We don’t know when, we don’t know what, we don’t how big and so we’ll presume that the threat is always imminent and we are always justified in using force because we don’t know when it’s going to be, which is sort of from a common understanding of language perspective totally eliminates any meaning of the word imminence if you’re saying the fact that we don’t know anything means we define it as imminent..."

“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states, contradicting conventional international law.
 






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Canada to Designate Proud Boys as Terrorist Entity

I thought of your quote when I saw these articles early in the week. I've never heard anyone mention it but I felt there was a correlation between all the pre-election warnings of violence in the US and the attacks in France the week before the election. Can anyone still believe events are just coincidence? I haven't heard DR's link from P. Wood yet but knowing his work reminds me the policies we're witnessing on a domestic level are very much part of a greater globalist agenda. The West's war on domestic terror is a war on activism and free speech first and foremost.
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Well, if they and other persons are eventually designated as DTOs, the obvious implication it’s going to bring to the fore (as America sinks deeper in the “war on terror” quagmire) is “Imminence” aka targeted assassinations by the government on US citizens of US soil. Alwaki may have been killed in Yemen but now the laws of war have to be adapted for the homeland. Is this why DARPA wanted military drones over American skies by 2030? Or the surveillance balloons? Or the information on tunnels?

This pivot in the War on Terror, from one theater to another is ofcourse going to raise a lot of questions that need to be answered, such as;

  • The ever ballooning military budget (who is going to want to be taxed so that the federal gov’t uses those monies to hunt YOU down as a threat to “national security”? This, I think, is one of the things that eventually will make secession a reality)
  • The use of private military contractors (if regular army isn’t up to the task)
  • Dealing with criticism of the war at home. Is dealing with criticism of the war abroad any indication?
  • Abu Ghraibs?
  • “The real danger in allowing practices like Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib is the fact that they always creep into other aspects,”
    “They creep into domestic law enforcement, either with weaponry like with the militarization of police, or interrogation practices. That’s how we ended up with a black site in Chicago.”
  • And what happens to the police when it’s a situation of indefinite martial law?
 






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The Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021
The DTPA is essentially the criminalization of speech, expression, and thought. It takes cancel culture a step further and all but outlaws unpopular opinions. This act will empower intelligence, law enforcement, and even military wings of the American ruling class to crack down on individuals adhering to certain belief systems and ideologies.


According to MI Congressman Fred Upton:
“The attack on the U.S. Capitol earlier this month was the latest example of domestic terrorism, but the threat of domestic terrorism remains very real. We cannot turn a blind eye to it,” Upton said. “The Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act will equip our law enforcement leaders with the tools needed to help keep our homes, families, and communities across the country safe.

Congressman Upton’s website gives the following information on DTPA:
The Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021 would strengthen the federal government’s efforts to prevent, report on, respond to, and investigate acts of domestic terrorism by authorizing offices dedicated to combating this threat; requiring these offices to regularly assess this threat; and providing training and resources to assist state, local, and tribal law enforcement in addressing it.
DTPA would authorize three offices, one each within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Justice (DOJ), and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), to monitor, investigate, and prosecute cases of domestic terrorism. The bill also requires these offices to provide Congress with joint, biannual reports assessing the state of domestic terrorism threats, with a specific focus on white supremacists. Based on the data collected, DTPA requires these offices to focus their resources on the most significant threats.
DTPA also codifies the Domestic Terrorism Executive Committee, which would coordinate with United States Attorneys and other public safety officials to promote information sharing and ensure an effective, responsive, and organized joint effort to combat domestic terrorism. The legislation requires DOJ, FBI, and DHS to provide training and resources to assist state, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies in understanding, detecting, deterring, and investigating acts of domestic terrorism and white supremacy. Finally, DTPA directs DHS, DOJ, FBI, and the Department of Defense to establish an interagency task force to combat white supremacist infiltration of the uniformed services and federal law enforcement.
 






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Canada to Designate Proud Boys as Terrorist Entity

I thought of your quote when I saw these articles early in the week. I've never heard anyone mention it but I felt there was a correlation between all the pre-election warnings of violence in the US and the attacks in France the week before the election. Can anyone still believe events are just coincidence? I haven't heard DR's link from P. Wood yet but knowing his work reminds me the policies we're witnessing on a domestic level are very much part of a greater globalist agenda. The West's war on domestic terror is a war on activism and free speech first and foremost.
It's official!

"Asked whether the U.S. will follow Canada and designate Proud Boys as a terrorist entity, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said the U.S. has a domestic extremism review underway. “We will wait for that review to conclude before we make any determinations,” Psaki said.

The terrorist designation in Canada means the group may have assets seized and face harsher terrorism-related criminal penalties. A government official said just because they are a member doesn't mean they will be charged with a crime, but if they do engage in violent acts they could be charged with terrorist crimes.
Sending money to the organization or buying Proud Boys paraphernalia would also be a crime.
“The group and its members have openly encouraged, planned, and conducted violent activities against those they perceive to be opposed to their ideology and political beliefs,” the Canadian government said in briefing materials."



Canada has somewhat broad criteria for what constitutes a terrorist group, and perhaps the Proud Boys would fit the definition. Extremism researchers and Canadian national security experts are worried, however, that the motion risks politicizing a sensitive process intended to be handled outside Parliament while doing little to actually confront the threat of far-right extremism in that country.

Canada’s terrorism listings are decided through a process in which federal law enforcement, intelligence agencies and the Canadian Department of Public Safety review evidence of terrorist activity. This Monday’s motion deviates from that process, seeking to pressure the agencies and the public safety minister to “immediately” designate the Proud Boys as terrorists.
“The enforcement of criminal law and criminal law sanctions should be arm’s length from politics,” said Leah West, an assistant professor at Carleton University in Ottawa who was formerly involved in the terrorism listing process at the Canadian Department of Justice.

“We might all agree that the Proud Boys engage in acts of violence that we all deem reprehensible,” West said,
“but it’s a slippery slope and a bad precedent for politicians who are seeking to curry favor with a certain segment of the population to be deciding who is and isn’t a terrorist under the criminal code.”
 






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It's official!

"Asked whether the U.S. will follow Canada and designate Proud Boys as a terrorist entity, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said the U.S. has a domestic extremism review underway. “We will wait for that review to conclude before we make any determinations,” Psaki said.

The terrorist designation in Canada means the group may have assets seized and face harsher terrorism-related criminal penalties. A government official said just because they are a member doesn't mean they will be charged with a crime, but if they do engage in violent acts they could be charged with terrorist crimes.
Sending money to the organization or buying Proud Boys paraphernalia would also be a crime.
“The group and its members have openly encouraged, planned, and conducted violent activities against those they perceive to be opposed to their ideology and political beliefs,” the Canadian government said in briefing materials."
So do we think Gavin McInnes could be targeted for drone strike? Oh wait he says he's distanced himself lol. Smart idea pal. Trying to be funny but the situation is the exact same as you asking when the Capitol guards would be charged for sedition, terrorism, acts of insurrection etc. It's a comedy show.

I hope others are putting together this campaign with the historical evidence you're laying out. By labeling groups in the same category at Nusra Front etc. they can now be dealt with the same as Al-Awlaki- no evidence, no trial, or accountability. To add to your previous posts, the reckless interpretation of the phrase "immanent threat" was brought up again a year ago when General Soleimani was assassinated. Craig Murray wrote an excellent piece about the Bethlehem Doctrine. It not a coincidence the same themes from the same actors seem to keep replaying. ;)

I think the US hasn't designated PB yet because they're getting ready to come out with an approach that's far more sweeping and extreme. They know as well as we do that the proud boys and patriot prayer are insignificant; they'll want to tie together larger concepts in general.
 






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So do we think Gavin McInnes could be targeted for drone strike? Oh wait he says he's distanced himself lol. Smart idea pal. Trying to be funny but the situation is the exact same as you asking when the Capitol guards would be charged for sedition, terrorism, acts of insurrection etc. It's a comedy show.

I hope others are putting together this campaign with the historical evidence you're laying out. By labeling groups in the same category at Nusra Front etc. they can now be dealt with the same as Al-Awlaki- no evidence, no trial, or accountability. To add to your previous posts, the reckless interpretation of the phrase "immanent threat" was brought up again a year ago when General Soleimani was assassinated. Craig Murray wrote an excellent piece about the Bethlehem Doctrine. It not a coincidence the same themes from the same actors seem to keep replaying. ;)
Yeah, you are right. It’s like a comedy show and it’s funny that “they” seem to be sticking to the script. All these stories swirling about Enrique Tarrio as a “prolific informant” for the feds or McInnes dad having been a defense contractor. They (Proud Boys) could be designated a DTO while at the same time some members still work for the authorities. Same script followed by ISIS, Al Nusra etc. They are designated as FTOs in Western countries and yet they are supplied with monies, weapons, etc to bring to fruition the designs of western countries on the Middle East. So the designation is likely a “door-opener” to ensnare anyone else that may defy any gov’t.
I think the US hasn't designated PB yet because they're getting ready to come out with an approach that's far more sweeping and extreme. They know as well as we do that the proud boys and patriot prayer are insignificant; they'll want to tie together larger concepts in general.
Totally agree. I’ve been thinking about it lately that a much bigger false flag is around the corner to not just get lawmakers but also the average person to sign away, in a wholesale form, whatever is left of the civil liberties.

I decided to find out how many Senators and Congressmen voted down the Patriot Act 20yrs ago (1 and 13 respectively). Out of 99 senators only ONE voted it down because of the infringements he saw on civil liberties. In all honesty, how can lawmakers be so gullible that out of 99 people, only 1 person saw what was plain and obvious? Either the other 98 didn’t read it; read it and agreed with the proposals; read it, disagreed with Act but got paid to make it pass. This.....coupled with the pro-war rallies by average people a year later.....iam afraid will repeat itself. TPTB just need the right event to shell shock everyone.
 






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