US Interventions In Latin America

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America doesn't fly planes into buildings, and Americans don't run wild by bombing and stabbing people in the streets.
Anyway summers here so let's just head for the great outdoors to relax, what could possibly go wrong?..:)
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Well the USA only killed a few million in Vietnam... with another three hundred thousand at least in Latin America... So yeah, nothing, right?
 

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Well the USA only killed a few million in Vietnam... with another three hundred thousand at least in Latin America... So yeah, nothing, right?
The S. Nam government ASKED the US for help in stemming the tide of commie aggression..:)
As for S.America, I don't recall hearing of any US boots on the ground there at all.. :p

No offence mate but are you a Jehovah's Witness, they've always sat out of every war going, and if everybody thought like them half the world would be run by the nazis by now, and the other half run by the japs..:p
 

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In the First Gulf War 1991 the west kicked Saddam out of Kuwait but didn't follow him to Baghdad, they halted the war and left him sitting pretty.
He might still be there if he'd kept his trap shut, but instead he kept promoting Islamic terrorism, eg-
"Does America realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?" -Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994
"Oh sons of Arabs and the Arab Gulf, rebel against the foreigner...Take revenge for your dignity, holy places, security, interests and exalted values." -Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999

S
o he was signing his own death warrant, and when it was suspected he had WMD's that was the final straw, so we had to do the Second Gulf War in 2003 to go to Baghdad to shut him up.
And of course no WMD's were found because he'd had plenty of time to bury them out in the desert, or else they were a few flasks of deadly nerve agent capable of wiping out cities which he kept under his bed but the Allies forgot to look there..:)

Below: US troops after capturing Baghdad International Airport in 2003-
God said- "I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath...they come from faraway lands...to destroy the whole country...and destroy the sinners within it" (Bible:Isaiah ch 13)

And they all came back with PTSD. Guess that’s karma for destroying innocent lives :)
 

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The S. Nam government ASKED the US for help in stemming the tide of commie aggression..:)
As for S.America, I don't recall hearing of any US boots on the ground there at all.. :p

No offence mate but are you a Jehovah's Witness, they've always sat out of every war going, and if everybody thought like them half the world would be run by the nazis by now, and the other half run by the japs..:p
The South Vietnamese client regime which was one of the world's major suppliers of opium? Did they have to napalm villages and defoliate the place with Agent Orange? What about Cambodia? Sihanouk simply wanted to be neutral.
 

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As for S.America, I don't recall hearing of any US boots on the ground there at all.. :p
Well, there were US forces in Panama. Most other places they just supported military dictators and trained death squads. Maybe such information is difficult for your Anglo-American jingoist brain to digest? It seems you have already entirely decided who is right and who is wrong, and little things like facts aren't going to change that. If you actually have any sincere desire to educate yourself, it would be quite easy for you to research any of the cases on the map and draw your own conclusions.
 

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And they all came back with PTSD. Guess that’s karma for destroying innocent lives :)

Since when are terrorists "innocent"? :p
Anyway real men don't get PTSD, only wimps do, so perhaps they should have joined the girl guides instead.
 

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..Did they have to napalm villages and defoliate the place with Agent Orange? What about Cambodia? Sihanouk simply wanted to be neutral.

If Charlie had simply stopped trying to infiltrate southern Nam there'd have been no war anywhere, but Uncle Ho was spoiling for a fight-

 

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Well, there were US forces in Panama. Most other places they just supported military dictators and trained death squads. Maybe such information is difficult for your Anglo-American jingoist brain to digest?..
Like I said mate, ancient history is just that, let it go..:)
For example Guatemala's President Giammattei only took office this year so let's look forward to seeing how he does.
 

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Since when are terrorists "innocent"? :p
Anyway real men don't get PTSD, only wimps do, so perhaps they should have joined the girl guides instead.
Apparently, there aren’t that many „men“ in the US military according to you lol

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs reports that incidence of post-traumatic stress disorder among veteran varies depending on which conflict a service member was involved with.
  • About 11 to 20 out of every 100 veterans (or between 11 and 20%) who served in operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom have PTSD in a given year.
  • About 12 out of every 100 Gulf War Veterans (or 12%) have PTSD in a given year.
  • About 15 out of every 100 Vietnam veterans (15%) were currently diagnosed with PTSD when the most recent study of them (the National Vietnam Veteran Readjustment Study) was conducted in the late 1980s. It’s believed that 30% of Vietnam veterans have had PTSD in their lifetime.
  • Source: https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/ptsd/articles/ptsd-veterans-statistics
 

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Like I said mate, ancient history is just that, let it go..:)
For example Guatemala's President Giammattei only took office this year so let's look forward to seeing how he does.
If it was something people knew about, something people remembered and spoke of, if when people spoke of the USA they would not think of good-ol' freedom-loving Uncle Sam but rather of an imperialist power which has no scruples imposing its regime on the people of other countries, then yes, we could "move on". But what of the people of Guatemala, those who lost members of their families to the death squads? This was happening until really quite recently. Should they accept forgetting their past without anyone even acknowledging that it took place? Should they forgive when the US has never asked for forgiveness?

You, from your position as a white British person, one of the most privileged groups of people on earth, it is easy for you to say "oh, just move on". Have you tried to consider what it might be like for the people of those countries in their own experience? Not to mention those countries Uncle Sam might decide to interfere with in the future. This is not all "ancient history", Aristide in Haiti was deposed in 2004. Where will be next? And will anyone pay attention, or will they continue accepting the narrative of the US propaganda machine ("freedom and democracy")?
 

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Tidal said- Anyway real men don't get PTSD, only wimps do, so perhaps they should have joined the girl guides instead..:)
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Apparently, there aren’t that many „men“ in the US military according to you lol

I was referring to ALL armies, not just the USA.
And I bet a lot are just faking PTSD so they can get welfare compensation.
After all, paramedics see death and destruction in road accidents all the time and they don't get PTSD.
However, if conscripts get it, it's probably because they never wanted to be drafted in the first place and i'll cut conscripts some slack, but the people who walked through the recruiting office door to voluntary join up will get no sympathy from me, they should have joined the girl guides..:)
 

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..what of the people of Guatemala, those who lost members of their families to the death squads?..

Why would "death squads" want to kill anybody?
Governments NEED people so they can pay taxes, but a corpse pays nothing..:)
 

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Why would "death squads" want to kill anybody?
Governments NEED people so they can pay taxes, but a corpse pays nothing..:)
Because they had inconvenient political ideas, or just because they wanted to "put the fear into" the Indigenous and poor so that they would learn to accept the dictatorship they were under. Governments after all need the co-operation of the people in order to perform activities like collecting taxes. Anyway, your question is meaningless, the fact is that it happened and saying that they had no motivation to do such things makes no difference to the actual facts.

By the way, PTSD is pretty common among paramedics as a cursory websearch will tell you.
 

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...By the way, PTSD is pretty common among paramedics as a cursory websearch will tell you.

Well they should have joined the girl guides..:)
PS- I also hear some wimpy drone pilots are quitting because they don't like zapping terrorists, you couldn't make it up!
 

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PS- I also hear some wimpy drone pilots are quitting because they don't like zapping terrorists, you couldn't make it up!
Apart from the strange and somewhat disturbing thing of killing people by remote control, perhaps they are having pangs of conscience about the occasional innocent civilians, and even children, who occasionally get killed in the process? Should they just "man up" and get on with it then?

Seriously Tidal, you are a gifted person, not many people have the extraordinary capacity to rationalize, justify and celebrate violence that you possess. Were you born in another age you might have had a great time as a colonist, bringing Native American "savages" to believe in the gospel or otherwise just massacring them. Or perhaps you were indeed one of those people in another life.
 

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Seriously Tidal, you are a gifted person, not many people have the extraordinary capacity to rationalize, justify and celebrate violence that you possess..

Thanks mate, if the wimps had been in charge, half the world would be run by the nazis by now, and the japs would be running the other half..:)



Nowadays terrorists are the enemy so we have to kick their butts too-
"Ungodly...These men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed.." (Bible: 2 Peter 2:12)
 

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Thanks mate, if the wimps had been in charge, half the world would be run by the nazis by now, and the japs would be running the other half..:)


Nowadays terrorists are the enemy so we have to kick their butts too-
"Ungodly...These men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed.." (Bible: 2 Peter 2:12)
Right, because only wimps have qualms about killing civilians. Who are presumably also "brute beasts"? Unlike the civilized English.

 

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Right, because only wimps have qualms about killing civilians. Who are presumably also "brute beasts"? Unlike the civilized English.

Civilians have always got caught up in wars as accidental "collateral damage" but that doesn't mean they're being deliberately targeted ..:p
Logic it out- nobody wins wars by targeting civilians, they win by knocking out the enemies national infrastructure like power stations, factories, airbases, troop concentrations and tank columns etc.
I mean, nobody is going to waste a million-dollar missile to knock out a baby milk factory when it'd be much better used trashing a terrorist HQ building..:)

PS- On 9/11 terrorists deliberately targetted 3000 innocent office workers in the WTC, spot the difference?
 

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Civilians have always got caught up in wars as accidental "collateral damage" but that doesn't mean they're being deliberately targeted ..:p
Logic it out- nobody wins wars by targeting civilians, they win by knocking out the enemies national infrastructure like power stations, factories, airbases, troop concentrations and tank columns etc.
I mean, nobody is going to waste a million-dollar missile to knock out a baby milk factory when it'd be much better used trashing a terrorist HQ building..:)

PS- On 9/11 terrorists deliberately targetted 3000 innocent office workers in the WTC, spot the difference?
Collateral damage in wars that should never have happened isn't much different from delibarate targeting. Not to mention, on the subject this thread is about, the US-sponsored death squads targeted civilian activists with "inconvenient" political ideas.
 
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