UNICEF Says Restricting Children’s Porn Access Infringes Human Rights.

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This doesn't surprise me at all. The most depraved individuals in todays society shroud themselves with the cloak of philanthropy, benevolence and charity.

There are far too many examples to list but just to make the point.

Bill Gates - philanthropist (deranged psychopath)

Red Cross - charity (perverts playground)


Oxfam - charity (sex maniac haven)


If you look into cases such as Kamloops and all the babies bodies littered around RC churches around the world then it should give you a much clearer picture of how these vile people operate.


Jimmy Saville was the perfect example

When the stone gets lifted on some of these organisations (not all of them might I add) you see the roaches scuttle for cover.

I'm sure the examples I've posted above are just the tip of the iceberg.
 






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I'm sure the examples I've posted above are just the tip of the iceberg.
Agreed @Awoken2 also the child protective services in many countries.
In addition, worldwide there are NGOs and UN peacekeepers/predators involved sexual trafficking and exploitation. Giving immunity from justice is the greatest push for abuse of power in many spheres, they no longer have accountability or skin in the game. Not surprised UNICEF took this position.

Recently,I was told about kids being snatched off the streets in Africa and Haiti and around the world.
Child Protective Services Kids Found in Human Trafficking

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Peacekeepers Turned Perpetrators
 






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It that's the case, then what's the answer to a global organization that's supposed to have the welfare of children as its' priority, making the statement restricting their porn access infringes on their human rights?
Children should be granted the same human rights that everyone else has.

How do we even validate the term "human rights" if children don't have any? The correct term should be adult rights. And I'm not saying I agree with UNICEF about this specific issue. But I think they have a point about the infringement of rights. More importantly, it boggles my mind to see people having a typical knee-jerk reaction and arguing freedom is bad.

Freedom is bad because porn is involved. GOT IT.

Regardless changing a law to allow children to look at porn is creepy and unsettling. Furthermore, taken in context, it is another step along the road to sexualizing children, like the cuties film from last year.
Changing a law that cannot possibly be enforced. I fixed it for you.

Millions of adolescents are already looking at porn. The point is if a law is ineffective, that law should be changed. This is like you not fixing a leaking pipe under your kitchen sink because you don't want to get dirty.

But you failed to make any argument on the topic at hand. The topic is UNICEF saying that denying porn access TO CHILDREN is violating their human rights. No amount of sophistry can make that seem like an ok thing to defend.
See the first part of this post, where I expanded on the argument I previously implied.

Restricting porn does violate their human rights, though. At least if you want to be technical about it. So on that point, I would further argue this topic speaks to the notion of children being viewed as worthless in terms of monetary value.

If a kid gets blasted in a school shooting, frags themselves, or overdoses, nobody bats an eye. Why? Because of what I brought up. Children are considered worthless in our society. We deny them rights; we deny them safety from bullying; we deny them real education. So if children are powerless, it's by our design.
 






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Children should be granted the same human rights that everyone else has.

How do we even validate the term "human rights" if children don't have any? The correct term should be adult rights. And I'm not saying I agree with UNICEF about this specific issue. But I think they have a point about the infringement of rights. More importantly, it boggles my mind to see people having a typical knee-jerk reaction and arguing freedom is bad.

Freedom is bad because porn is involved. GOT IT.


Changing a law that cannot possibly be enforced. I fixed it for you.

Millions of adolescents are already looking at porn. The point is if a law is ineffective, that law should be changed. This is like you not fixing a leaking pipe under your kitchen sink because you don't want to get dirty.


See the first part of this post, where I expanded on the argument I previously implied.

Restricting porn does violate their human rights, though. At least if you want to be technical about it. So on that point, I would further argue this topic speaks to the notion of children being viewed as worthless in terms of monetary value.

If a kid gets blasted in a school shooting, frags themselves, or overdoses, nobody bats an eye. Why? Because of what I brought up. Children are considered worthless in our society. We deny them rights; we deny them safety from bullying; we deny them real education. So if children are powerless, it's by our design.
Sorry, you're not making ANY sense. All your doing is creating sentences/word salads that don't address the issue at hand.
 






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It's just as bad if children or adults watch it imo. If adults are already watching it en masse, it has already set a precedent for future generations to do the same.
People get emotional over this because we're talking abt children and children are supposed to be completely pure, non-sexual beings. Or at least that's what adults want them to be.
I don't think that porn can turn someone into a serial killer like Ted Bundy, if anything it just triggers violent impulses that were already there. Anyone in their right mind would be completely disgusted by violent porn, if someone can even withstand watching it and get pleasure from it they're already sick, even though they haven't commited any crime yet.
The thing with teenagers is if you could simply tell them to stop doing something and they listened that would be amazing. But teenagers don't think like that. The more you're telling them not to do something, the more they're gonna do it, just to be defiant.
If you tell them don't drink alcohol, then they're gonna drink alcohol, bc they want to be rebellious and because they want to prove to themselves that they're a grown-up. We had sex education at school but I don't remember any teacher telling us abt stds and UTIs and shit like that. Just recently I heard a story about a woman who had 100 UTIs in her lifetime, another one had her urine turn black, there are tons of women who talk abt their partner's poor hygiene, men who don't know how to wash their pee-pee. Just horrifying stories. I don't think that porn will teach all of this to children who are learning about sexuality. Quite the contrary it gives a completely unrealistic representation of what sex is.
So there needs to be a balance btw educating the kids and spreading awareness and at the same time, letting them make their own decisions.
But adults need to evolve when it comes to sex too. If we want the kids to be responsible we need to set the exemple. Sex is not a "need", losing your virginity is not a right of passage that should be your entry into the adult world. "Stop the spread" is advised in the case of covid but not when it comes to stds even potentially dead ones like aids. Why? Tell people to stop having sex and you'll see, they'll bite your head right off, even if it's a safety measure. Health professionals actually did advise agst casual sex during quarantine.
But it's in the interests of the ptb for sex to remain a taboo. Bc it doesn't beenfit us. Men who have sex with other men are the demographics that has the most stds because gay sex is emasculating to be upfront abt your homosexuality as a man, so they're having sex recklessly in filthy places wo taking precautions. If as a society we had an healthy attitude twrds sex, none of this would happen.
I think you nailed it. The worst thing that adults can do is tell kids that something is bad, forbidden for them, but then the kids notice that the adults are doing it anyway. Kids are not stupid, you can't fool them, but you can lead as an example without being judgemental about it. It is why I think that, say, a Nicki Minaj video and all that similar crap is as bad for adults as well as for children and as long as adults continue to view sex in such base terms, the world they help to cocreate will inevitably be full of dangers and personal hell holes into which children can fall.

To argue that limiting freedom for kids is not in their best interest is pretty short sighted. If you have freedom to develop a porn obsession then surely you will have less freedom over yourself after you develop it. Thus there is this imaginary freedom/license to do as you please, a sort of playing field of desires, which covers up a web of future limitations that will definitely happen if we are not vigilant. There is no such thing as chaos or lawlessness - the simple saying "What you reap is what you sow" always applies. Thus a critical part of being a mature adult is to forbid kids to do what is not in their best interest - without being hypocritical nor hysterical about it. It is a fact that children exposed to porn do develop behavioral issues.
 






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Sorry, you're not making ANY sense. All your doing is creating sentences/word salads that don't address the issue at hand.
Except I addressed the issue several times.

I pointed out how we can't enforce porn laws. Like do you expect police departments to stop what they are doing and go enforce porno laws? How is that a high priority?

I also brought up common-sense solutions that go a lot farther than demonizing porn and UNICEF.
 






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You are quoting me out of context or creating a strawman argument.

As I said if my kid "decides" to look at porn, then they have the awareness and capabilities to start making their own decisions in life. At that point, all you can do is put some trust in your kid, that they will grow and learn lessons on their own.

I'm not sure what your argument is, since you haven't written anything here. But it sounds like your logic is more to blame for dysfunction. It's like you think a legion of children growing up learning to go behind their parent's back is good.

Screw honesty and openness, right? Let's raise more liars!
I reread your posts and they are very weird to say the least. Here you say that he is creating a strawman argument where in the next sentence you prove that he did not misunderstand nor misquote you.
Almost no kid has the awareness to start making their own decisions in life. Kids shouldn't have to worry about grown up things. They need clear boundaries set by the adults in their life. Anything other than that is child neglect. And again not one thing you said in all your posts has anything to do with what the article was about. What laws? The article is speaking in more general terms. It reads like the most stereotypical p***phile propaganda that anyone who has been on the internet forums (or read any nambla literature) for some time can spot with a glance. Here read again:

"The study even claimed that 39 percent of children in Spain were “happy” after exposure to pornography." Could not be more obvious!

“UNICEF also claims that asking for age-verification to access pornography online may deny children access to what it calls ‘vital sexuality education.’ It should be noted that critics charge ‘comprehensive sexuality education’ is pornographic and harmful to children."

You also said:
"I'm not sure what your argument is, since you haven't written anything here. But it sounds like your logic is more to blame for dysfunction. It's like you think a legion of children growing up learning to go behind their parent's back is good.
Screw honesty and openness, right? Let's raise more liars!"

Where the hell did that come from? There is nothing from the post of the person you quoted that would warrant that kind of response.

You know I enjoy reading many of your posts, but sometimes it seems to me that you cannot help but be a contrarian, a rebel without a cause.
 






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I reread your posts and they are very weird to say the least. Here you say that he is creating a strawman argument where in the next sentence you prove that he did not misunderstand nor misquote you.
This seems like nitpicking.

I'd rather not go rehash something so you can slip in more false "gotcha" moments. My exact quote, which you should know since you copy and pasted it said "quoting out of context or strawman".

Almost no kid has the awareness to start making their own decisions in life. Kids shouldn't have to worry about grown up things. They need clear boundaries set by the adults in their life. Anything other than that is child neglect. And again not one thing you said in all your posts has anything to do with what the article was about.
So you've never heard of prodigies? There are like 12-year-olds in advanced college classes. That seems like some kids do have more awareness than we think. Perhaps you would rather hold kids back because you think growing up is neglect?

Also, my posts have been perfectly relevant. There you go again with the "gotcha" statements. To your credit, that's still more entertaining than anything else in this thread.

What laws? The article is speaking in more general terms. It reads like the most stereotypical p***phile propaganda that anyone who has been on the internet forums (or read any nambla literature) for some time can spot with a glance. Here read again:
Sharing porno with a minor is a crime. The article touched on it by bringing up age verification requirements. And I'm pretty sure when the title includes "infringing human rights" it sits in the category of law.

"The study even claimed that 39 percent of children in Spain were “happy” after exposure to pornography." Could not be more obvious!

“UNICEF also claims that asking for age-verification to access pornography online may deny children access to what it calls ‘vital sexuality education.’ It should be noted that critics charge ‘comprehensive sexuality education’ is pornographic and harmful to children."

You also said:
"I'm not sure what your argument is, since you haven't written anything here. But it sounds like your logic is more to blame for dysfunction. It's like you think a legion of children growing up learning to go behind their parent's back is good.
Screw honesty and openness, right? Let's raise more liars!"

Where the hell did that come from? There is nothing from the post of the person you quoted that would warrant that kind of response.
I haven't read the whole study, but I will if you really want me to. If polling kids in Spain is all they got, I agree with you that it looks pretty bad. My gut tells me parts of the original post were cherry-picked.

What's it matter where my response comes from? The last time I checked my responses don't need a warrant. The dude acts like I was responsible for dysfunction, so what response do you expect?
 






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Doing like ten seconds of research to fact check this suggest the original article is misleading. Maybe if I did twenty seconds of research, it might prove true bit it seems all the UNICEF said was that 1.) children viewing pornography isn't inherently damaging, and 2.) restricting a minor's internet access, under the idea that you're trying to save them from the evils of pornography, potentially infringes on their rights.

Regarding the former, I could see an argument either way.... But regarding the later? It's objectively true.

I mean, where I live, there used to be a law where minors couldn't be on an unfiltered public internet without the presence of their legal guardian. "It's to protect them from pornography and dangerous people on the internet!" But all it did was make school research papers harder, since the filters were overly strict. Sure as hell didn't stop teenagers from getting porn; one of the kids that had the internet at his home, back before that was super common, sold floppy disks containing porn they found on the internet. Not to mention, stolen Playboys and or Huslers from the store or parents.
 






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This seems like nitpicking.

I'd rather not go rehash something so you can slip in more false "gotcha" moments. My exact quote, which you should know since you copy and pasted it said "quoting out of context or strawman".


So you've never heard of prodigies? There are like 12-year-olds in advanced college classes. That seems like some kids do have more awareness than we think. Perhaps you would rather hold kids back because you think growing up is neglect?

Also, my posts have been perfectly relevant. There you go again with the "gotcha" statements. To your credit, that's still more entertaining than anything else in this thread.


Sharing porno with a minor is a crime. The article touched on it by bringing up age verification requirements. And I'm pretty sure when the title includes "infringing human rights" it sits in the category of law.


I haven't read the whole study, but I will if you really want me to. If polling kids in Spain is all they got, I agree with you that it looks pretty bad. My gut tells me parts of the original post were cherry-picked.

What's it matter where my response comes from? The last time I checked my responses don't need a warrant. The dude acts like I was responsible for dysfunction, so what response do you expect?
No it was not a gotcha moment. I am sorry to be blunt but you were speaking gibberish, I pointed it out. And you are doing it again. Twelve year olds in advanced classes? What does more awareness have to do with sexual maturity? Here again you are speaking gibberish, arguing that my position would be holding kids back. Growing up does not mean watching porn. Watching porn only adds problems to the growing up phase. Sharing porn to children is and should be a crime, unless you want to argue grooming children is ok. If kids do watch porn in the millions is irrelevant to the previous position. It just means that there is a different problem that needs solving, something fundamental about humanity's view of sex, which is a separate issue. I would say that before we come to the bottom of this second issue I would argue for severely limiting (by law) the accessibility of porn - perhaps make it mandatory that porn sites should have a subscription. A paywall is the best deterent for kids. And before Corvus comes arguing that they will find a way like in the old days - there is a big difference between what is freely available and what is available on the black market. Some deviance isn't society destroying, but society built upon deviance is.
Also the article was not primarily about the intricacies of law but about the "study" and its conclusions.
 






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No it was not a gotcha moment. I am sorry to be blunt but you were speaking gibberish, I pointed it out. And you are doing it again. Twelve year olds in advanced classes? What does more awareness have to do with sexual maturity? Here again you are speaking gibberish, arguing that my position would be holding kids back. Growing up does not mean watching porn. Watching porn only adds problems to the growing up phase. Sharing porn to children is and should be a crime, unless you want to argue grooming children is ok. If kids do watch porn in the millions is irrelevant to the previous position. It just means that there is a different problem that needs solving, something fundamental about humanity's view of sex, which is a separate issue. I would say that before we come to the bottom of this second issue I would argue for severely limiting (by law) the accessibility of porn - perhaps make it mandatory that porn sites should have a subscription. A paywall is the best deterent for kids. And before Corvus comes arguing that they will find a way like in the old days - there is a big difference between what is freely available and what is available on the black market. Some deviance isn't society destroying, but society built upon deviance is.
Also the article was not primarily about the intricacies of law but about the "study" and its conclusions.
It sounds like everything outside of the echo chamber you live in is gibberish.

You do want to hold kids back. You said, kids shouldn't worry about grown-up things. As if every kid has that luxury. Newsflash, they don't. Some kids come from broken families or had some tragedy occur. In other words, your argument is little more than wishful thinking. Or you are that out of touch with society.

How is bringing up kids already having access to porn irrelevant to the topic of trying to protect children from porn?? Oh wait, I think I know the answer. It's because the squares in this thread are more concerned with their own feelings, not trying to protect children from pornography.

A paywall for the porn industry means the porn industry makes more money. That's your golden idea? To give the people you are demonizing more money and power? Wow, and I'm speaking gibberish?
 






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It sounds like everything outside of the echo chamber you live in is gibberish.

You do want to hold kids back. You said, kids shouldn't worry about grown-up things. As if every kid has that luxury. Newsflash, they don't. Some kids come from broken families or had some tragedy occur. In other words, your argument is little more than wishful thinking. Or you are that out of touch with society.

How is bringing up kids already having access to porn irrelevant to the topic of trying to protect children from porn?? Oh wait, I think I know the answer. It's because the squares in this thread are more concerned with their own feelings, not trying to protect children from pornography.

A paywall for the porn industry means the porn industry makes more money. That's your golden idea? To give the people you are demonizing more money and power? Wow, and I'm speaking gibberish?
Kids from broken families? How will porn access help them get out of their troubles? How will it prevent their worries? You show an example of a broken home and somehow that makes it okay for ideas to creep into society that will make even more broken homes. Plus you are acting as if kids get punished for viewing porn. No the laws are set so that adults can be punished who provide them with porn. That is a good thing, but not enough.
I am not demonising anyone. The topic at hand was porn access, the problem we are talking about is free access of porn to children. The most obvious way for that to disappear is putting a paywall on it. That would probably shrink the porn industry not inflate it, people do like their free "anonymous" access. But more importantly, kids would have a much much more limited access to the most vile/dehumanising content that is now freely available to them. And somehow that is a bad thing? Because of broken homes?!
 






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Yall know I don't join in demonizing the porn industry. I think that demonization is built on some exaggerations and personal feelings rather than logic. The reality is porn is already readily accessible, so trying to clamp down creates a situation where you tell a kid, everyone else is allowed to grab this whenever they want, but you're not. Then when they ask why, what do you tell them? You're not old enough. Porn will make you go blind!

Then said kid goes behind your back and immediately figures out mommy and daddy are full of shit.

How about we stop trying to raise everyone else's kids? If my future kid decides to look at porn, it's none of any of yall's business. I don't even consider it my business. So I think we should let parents do their jobs and stop trying to be goofy social police.
I was with ya til the end sorry
If I think a child or anyone is being harmed in any way
I feel it's a duty of those who see something (real not meaning a swat on a butt or something ) that is truly abusive
Especially for those who cannot for whatever reason they may have
help themselves
I think it's hard enough for children to just be CHILDREN at this point in this world
I want my children to hold on to that child like innocence as long as possible
The world knocks it outta ya soon enough

also just wanted to add that in my case it was used as a tool to harm me and I can speak on the harm that viewing what was shown me did to me as a child

I figured out I accidentally double posted sorry everyone
 






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You are quoting me out of context or creating a strawman argument.

As I said if my kid "decides" to look at porn, then they have the awareness and capabilities to start making their own decisions in life. At that point, all you can do is put some trust in your kid, that they will grow and learn lessons on their own.

I'm not sure what your argument is, since you haven't written anything here. But it sounds like your logic is more to blame for dysfunction. It's like you think a legion of children growing up learning to go behind their parent's back is good.

Screw honesty and openness, right? Let's raise more liars!
Lol see now wording it like that it's different right
your now talking of teens who are at an age
they are aware they are having changes go on in the bodies and yes are curious as to the why and what's of it all
I myself try to be as open and honest with my children as possible
when asked if they feel like they can come and speak to me about anything
They answer yes and they do which is the exact kinda realationship I wanted to have with them
If they ask me about anything I will answer what I know I can answer if I do not know the answer we find out together
Anyhoo I am ranting now sorry just a lil lonely n it's been a especially hard long month
I was speaking in the other post
as though the story means small young children that are not even having to ponder any of the questions that would even need porn as a teaching tool
I'm done
 






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I was with ya til the end sorry
If I think a child or anyone is being harmed in any way
I feel it's a duty of those who see something (real not meaning a swat on a butt or something ) that is truly abusive
Especially for those who cannot for whatever reason they may have
help themselves
I think it's hard enough for children to just be CHILDREN at this point in this world
I want my children to hold on to that child like innocence as long as possible
The world knocks it outta ya soon enough
Fair enough. Nobody is obligated to agree with me.

We aren't going to reshape the world with platitudes, though. It will take real work, and drive. In other words, everyone sitting around matching moods won't move the needle one bit. And make no mistake about it, reshaping the world is what it will take to solve the porn epidemic.
 






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I personally try to lead by example with my children
If they ask me something
I feel I have direct knowledge with from experience
whether good or bad I tell them
As I said if it's something I have no knowledge of
I tell them and we learn together
I think a lot of parents drop the ball
when it comes to taking the opportunities of a
teaching moment with their children
Also some don't care
as there is some who should never have had children
Then some who are old fashioned
feel it's outta place to speak this way with their children ect.....

You are a 100% correct
we will not make any change
if we continue on with the way things have always been done
People act as though things that are happening are not
We all need to start making the so called taboo topics non taboo
The way I look at it and am extremely grateful and appreciative
I have found this site filled with so many diverse opinions
We can all share and debate civilly and respectfully
We should all be talking whatever it is TPTB tells us not to discuss
Example UFOs
for how long did they ostracize the people who seen them
made them out to crazy tinfoil hat wearers not to be trusted
To just so nonchanlantly
declare they were in fact all telling the truth
No one in MSM seems to care about the facts
they lied for how long ,destroyed people's
reputations and lives with those lies for decades
To just say
oh yeah by the way they were right
we have seen em too ,all along just been hiding it


Anyhoo done ranting again
 






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