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I haven't actually seen other worldly beings but I have seen three different things in one evening that is life changing. Some things you just don't talk about if you want to keep things calm and not be bothered in life. Sometimes we see things we are not meant to have witnessed.
When i was really young, perhaps I was 8 or 9. My parents and I we're getting back to the movie theater. my dad was driving home and suddenly we all watch this little ball, floating next to the road. it was really bright, like a light bulb. that little thing advanced a few meters really slow, and then it accelerated and disappear. We all watch that thing and we all still remember that bright light floating. That was the only time in my life that I watch something like that. So I do believe in UFOS. I watch that stuff with my own eyes. And I also have read another stories from another forums and there a few people that have seen the same thing.
 





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When i was really young, perhaps I was 8 or 9. My parents and I we're getting back to the movie theater. my dad was driving home and suddenly we all watch this little ball, floating next to the road. it was really bright, like a light bulb. that little thing advanced a few meters really slow, and then it accelerated and disappear. We all watch that thing and we all still remember that bright light floating. That was the only time in my life that I watch something like that. So I do believe in UFOS. I watch that stuff with my own eyes. And I also have read another stories from another forums and there a few people that have seen the same thing.
What does the "U" in UFO stand for?
 





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UnderAlienControl said:
Every flight to the Moon
was tailed by UFO's. There's even a story about how they had to help one ship get back to Earth after a malfunction. That would be Apollo 13.
Why have there been so many cases of these men being picked for having "the right stuff", and yet so many upon their return from space went onto divorces and alchoholism? General behavior problems.
Guilt for lying? Actually, not too long ago, a reporter cornered, (i think Neil), and asked him to swear on the bible that he went to the moon and he refused. Besides, their behavioral problems aren't any different from what a bio-weapon scientist would experience.
You said:
The Moon appears to be an artificial satellite moved here to facilitate tides and stabilize weather.
It does affect us too, because we (humans) are 70% water. Lunacy, remember? If it is artificial, would you say the same thing about, say, Jupiter's 67 moons? I mean, when do you know/decide that a planetary satellite is/isn't artificial? Add to that, if its artificial, its a curious benefit that it illuminates our night skies.

Then there's the fact the universe is undergoing a decay, evidenced by the sun and moon shrinking hence dimming. Since the moon doesn't have its own light, since the sun is dimming, its only logical that the moon would 'dim' as well. There are legends of a brighter moon in the distant past.
 





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Nice to see ya back PD. The government just admitted to having Alien material with "interesting properties" so nobody really has to snatch anything during an abduction. They didn't "crash" in the 40's. We brought them down with high energy radar. They don't have to travel "millions of miles" conventionally. There are ways to get around space and time and they know how to use this to violate what we have been taught about physics. As Ben Rich, Skunk Works Director stated: “We now know how to travel to the stars. There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars and it won’t take a lifetime to do it." "It won't take a lifetime to do it" means they have figured out, through correcting the equations, how to bend those same rules of physics to get places faster. He also stated: "We now have the technology to take ET home.”

If people aren't going to listen to abductees, former military men, astronauts, aerospace engineers, intelligence agents (people in a position to know things) and so on and so forth who have been forthcoming on the subject, then who ya gonna listen to? The Gubment? Well, even they are now acknowledging the subject so i don't think there's anywhere left to go with the skeptical hypothesis. It's all starting to look pretty solid now. The part I find most interesting is Robert Dean's statement that high level people were scared of the fact that the one group looked so much like us as to be indistinguishable and that infiltration was always a worry of these "higher-ups". Well, with the way the world has and is being run in a resource driven way with whack policies might it have already happened? I always heard that math was the language of the universe, but couldn't we also say that about symbols? Seems pretty "universal" to me... /<>\

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom

Aliens are a really, really, really tough sell for me. Its something i'd have to see with my own eyes, inorder to believe. And even then, i'd have to be absolutely sure iam in full use of all my faculties, clean of any influences. Then there's the issue of having to distinguish between 'our craft' and 'their craft' if one hovered in the skies like in Independence Day.

"Our craft" (and advanced black project tech), that i believe. "Their craft", no i don't. If they are way more advanced than earthlings, its only logical that they'd be able to bend the elements (i.e cloaking technology) and wouldn't even need to manufacture a spaceship. They can just stride into town without having to hop onto some ship.

You posted a video of Linda Moulton Howe and i've been a regular visitor of her site for years. Despite that, the site articles about ETs, i just roll my eyes. Yeah, iam supposed to believe spooks, aerospace engineers, military men etc *but for some reason*, my heart and mind just wont say 'yes' and there's nothing i can do about it :D :D . I remain a doubting-Thomas.

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I 'unconsciously' did a double-take on your name and it made me chuckle.....how relevant to the thread :D
(not implying you are an abductee, or deep-state person :) )
 





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What does the "U" in UFO stand for?
Right. Unidentified. I saw three vastly different things in the same night within a short period of time, gave chase with a witness and experienced what can best be termed altered time or a surreal atmosphere.. I will not elaborate with great details for a reason.

I have worked with the government and been privy to some things as well and know that we have some advanced systems. I am uncertain if what I witnessed on that one mind altering evening was man made tech or other worldly, but I do know there has been more going on around us than current minds can compute. FWIW, I was not a government employee during the experience and it is worth noting that there was what I will call residue of experiences long after the incident or sightings.

What I will say is that there has been silent choppers for a long time now that can hover right over your rooftop and you not know. They can alter you and make you defenseless if need be and see and hear everything going on. Advance war tech is real. It is like comparing the first cave mans wheel to an F-22 Raptor Jet Fighter.

But what I saw on one occasion went far beyond that and allowed me to realize that other things I knew and had seen were just drops in the bucket. Disclosures have to be signed and or ridicule, attacks in many varying ways are common place among those who know too much, therefore I rarely speak of things. Our lives are worthless to them.

Sorry to be so vague.
 





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And there are stories of a time before there was a moon...;)

The Earth Without the Moon

https://www.varchive.org/itb/sansmoon.htm

When the Earth was Moonless
http://www.halexandria.org/dward200.htm

Before the Flood, There Was No Moon.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread11197/pg1


Dude Where's My Troops? Pentagon Loses Track Of 44,000 Soldiers

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-09/dude-wheres-my-troops-pentagon-loses-track-44000-soldiers

Triangle UFOs Fly In The Face Of Logic
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/triangular-ufos_n_4913806.html

 





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Just to add...its not enough for me to know that; there are aliens in whatever shape or form; they are docked on the moon watching my every move; spaceships; manipulation of time and space. Yeah, people have been abducted, they've witnessed incredible stuff, and animals are mutilated but that's not all there is to it.

Acceptance demands of me to answer so many questions, philosophical/spiritual that naturally come up.

Dependence on the natural world means they are created beings. As highly intelligent beings, they automatically are free-willed.
The evil ones, who are out to colonize and enslave, how why and when did they morally degenerate? What keeps the "good ones" from moral corruption?

Iam not saying you have to provide those answers. That's what's going on in my head and as the Salon article you posted, somehow, iam supposed to intergrate my belief in aliens into, say, the equation of Rebellion and Redemption.
Problem is, that is nonsense because to Deep-state scientists, everything to do with aliens is explained away through Evolutionary lens. If the evolutionary theory cannot hold (i:e self-creation demands self-salvation) in regard to earthlings, then it cannot hold in regard to ETs. I could go on and on...
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Anyway, this has reminded me of these and i thought they'd interest you. Fascinating, yes but you can't be 100% sure.



The mysterious Nuremburg event


and


In 1665, Many said They Saw a UFO Battle and Fell Sick Afterward
 





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And there are stories of a time before there was a moon...;)

The Earth Without the Moon

https://www.varchive.org/itb/sansmoon.htm

When the Earth was Moonless
http://www.halexandria.org/dward200.htm

Before the Flood, There Was No Moon.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread11197/pg1


Dude Where's My Troops? Pentagon Loses Track Of 44,000 Soldiers

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-09/dude-wheres-my-troops-pentagon-loses-track-44000-soldiers

Triangle UFOs Fly In The Face Of Logic
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/triangular-ufos_n_4913806.html

Velikovsky is a favorite but.....a moon-less earth is abit hard to prove because thas was antiquity, all one can go on are legends. :)

In the case of a shrinking sun, its not that difficult to prove. Experiments were carried out (in the 80s) to show that less sunlight is reaching the earth, so its getting colder. This isn't taking into account chemtrails. There was less evaporation. Or the fact that the earth was much warmer in the distant past (tree rings, fossils)
Also, eclipse-chasers measure the diameter during an eclipse and say the same thing.
http://icr.org/article/sun-shrinking/
 





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Velikovsky is a favorite but.....a moon-less earth is abit hard to prove because thas was antiquity, all one can go on are legends. :)

In the case of a shrinking sun, its not that difficult to prove. Experiments were carried out (in the 80s) to show that less sunlight is reaching the earth, so its getting colder. This isn't taking into account chemtrails. There was less evaporation. Or the fact that the earth was much warmer in the distant past (tree rings, fossils)
Also, eclipse-chasers measure the diameter during an eclipse and say the same thing.
http://icr.org/article/sun-shrinking/
That article would have been almost convincing except I saw two words that blow it, creationists and evolutionists. There is no good evidence of the Sun shrinking, its mass is so large we would hardly notice it if it was. Other measurements taken after that 1980 report you linked to do not show significant shrinkage of any kind.

The Sun has a shelf life of about 8 billion years, and as the Universe is 4.5 billion years old the Sun is about half way through its shelf life...At some point it will stop converting hydrogen into helium...It will run out of hydrogen and all that will be left is helium which the Suns core is not hot or dense enough to burn helium.

At some point in its life the Sun will burn out and become a raging Red Giant that will engulf the Earth in fiery rage.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-sun-wont-die-billion-years.html

Shrinking is exactly the opposite of whats going to happen.
 





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That article would have been almost convincing except I saw two words that blow it, creationists and evolutionists. There is no good evidence of the Sun shrinking, its mass is so large we would hardly notice it if it was. Other measurements taken after that 1980 report you linked to do not show significant shrinkage of any kind.

The Sun has a shelf life of about 8 billion years, and as the Universe is 4.5 billion years old the Sun is about half way through its shelf life...At some point it will stop converting hydrogen into helium...It will run out of hydrogen and all that will be left is helium which the Suns core is not hot or dense enough to burn helium.

At some point in its life the Sun will burn out and become a raging Red Giant that will engulf the Earth in fiery rage.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-sun-wont-die-billion-years.html

Shrinking is exactly the opposite of whats going to happen.
I knew that would get me into trouble because its a creationist website.

UnderAlienControl said:
Is your religion ready to meet aliens? If we aren’t alone, who are we? Examining God among the cosmos

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/19/is-your-religion-ready-to-meet-et_partner/
The idea of aliens has an underlying religious/spiritual theme that more often not isn't explicitly stated but is implied.



Scientism rules the day. As such, a scientistic society demands a scientistic messiah... The symbolic meaning embedded in this image becomes evident
when compared with Michelangelo's Sistine chapel painting (Adam with raised arm, in fingertip union with God).

Yet, Spielberg’s
bowdlerization of Christian theology is anything but
new or innovative. E.T.
merely continues a
tradition embodied by Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel painting. The portrait departs from the
traditional Christian
paradigm concerning the Genesis account and humanity’s relationship
with its Creator. Ian Taylor
explains how Michelangelo’s painting
deviates from the
traditional Genesis account:

“Unlikely as this may
seem, it is, nevertheless, a
re markable fact that
when painted in 1508
Michelangelo took the bold step of departing from the biblical account of the
creation of man to
depict what is today
seen to be a theistically evolved version. Prior to this time, artists had stuck
to the Genesis
description of a non-
living being made from the dust of the ground becoming a ‘living soul’ by the infusion of God’s
breath (Genesis 2:7).

Michelangelo’s now famous painting of the creation of Adam shows a human form quite evidently alive with a raised arm and in fingertip union with God. The
question this painting
raises is that since the
creature is alive, what
kind of pre-Adamic being does it represent?

Enterprising Jesuit
teachers have seized
upon this as historical vindication of the truth of theistic evolution, so that the creature depicted must then be some kind of advanced anthropoid. There can be absolute certainty that nothing could have been further
from Michelangelo’s
mind, yet the Greek
influence and tendency to rationalize revelation
is represented symbolically
throughout the entire painting, not in style, but by the insertion of Greek sibyls between
the Old Testament prophets.” (377)

Fiction as a Precursor to Fact: Sci-fi “Predictive
Programming” and the
Emergent World Religion
 





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People are seeing this in California tonight... yall need to see this link now, for there is a lot of footage of this. People think it is a UFO but they are saying it is the Space X rocket. It goes to show you how far advanced tech is and how people react in the link below.

Catch real time updates here or read down to see what people thought when they first saw this - https://twitter.com/search?q=ufo cakifornia&src=typd&lang=en
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I knew more info was being released when this show started airing. Whomever produced it has got a little juice. The show should be thought of as a digest since it's only about 24 minutes an episode (ignore the length timers on the video-the episode just repeats). By hitting major points and events in ufology, it seems geared to sending people who don't know a lot about the subject a direction to research deeper down the rabbit hole so they can start getting their heads around it.... (<>..<>)
 





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Winner, winner, chickin' dinner. To see if anyone is paying attention? To get the cat in a suit to notice, or anyone else for that matter? A momentary lapse in reason? A grammatical mistake which is cool to point out to the guy who points them out? The truth is in there, somewhere:oops::eek:;)
 





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Elon Musk promised to send 2 space tourists around the moon this time next year, so iam waiting for him to make good on it.
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This is a question for the *believers*.

In 2011, (3yrs after Lehman), Paul Krugman, the economist, thought out loud on how a fake alien invasion would fix the economy:
"If we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive build up to counter the alien threat and budgets and deficits took a secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And if we made a mistake and discovered that it was fake, we'd be a better --"

Now, staging a fake ET invasion requires putting on a convincing show to produce desired effects i:e spaceships and a 15ft tall greys, :D . As an unbeliever, i'd rationalize all that away as a gov't psyop. But for a 'believer', how exactly would you differentiate between a psyop and a real invasion? Given that the average person has never been upclose or onboard a spaceship.
OTOH, its only reasonable to assume that since the deep-state is convinced about ETs and their technologies, they already have the means to counter the threat. Because the playbook never changes, if they could pull a terrestrial 9/11, they could do the same in space. Again, the *believer* will be tasked with drawing a conclusion on whether its a falseflag or not. How exactly?

Just something to think about because it's almost 10yrs since the crash of '08 and the world economy isn't any healthier.