Twelve Tribes of Israel info & research thread

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"In Arbroath Abbey, following the removal of the "Stone of Destiny" to Westminster, king Robert "the Bruce" of Scotland was visited by two emissaries of pope John 22 to whom Edward 2 of England had appealed for help to compel Scotland to acknowledge England's lordship. These emissaries bore a message from the pope advising Bruce to submit to Edward's claims, but Bruce and his nobles drafted a letter which they addressed to pope John 22 and which can still be seen in Register House in Edinburgh. It had attached to it coloured ribbons and seals with the signatures of Robert the Bruce and twenty-five of his nobles. The letter which is drafted:- April 6, 1320, read in part:-

"We know Most Holy Father and Lord (blasphemy - Matthew 23:9), and from the chronicles and books of the ancients gather, that among other illustrious nations, our's, to wit, the nation of the Scots, has been distinguished by many honours; which passing from the greater Scythia through the Mediterranean Sea and Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) and sojourning in Spain (Iberia - Heberia - the Hebrew's land) among most savage tribes through a long course of time, could nowhere be subjugated by any people however barbarous; and coming thence one thousand two hundred years after the outgoing of the People of Israel (the Exodus), they by many victories and infinite toil, acquired for themselves the possessions in the West which they now hold........In their kingdom one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, no stranger intervening, have reigned...." (Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

For so long as a hundred of us are left alive we will yield in no least way to English domination. We fight not for glory, nor for wealth nor honour, but only and alone for freedom, which no man surrenders but with his life." (Praiseworthy - Matthew 10:28)
This letter thus asserts that the Scots who had the "Stone of Destiny" ("Lia Fail") were connected with the ancient people of Israel (the ten so-called Lost Tribes); whom archaeology has established became the Scythians and the Cimmerians of history, whose origin had been a mystery. Lost to their true identity as foretold in The Scriptures, (Romans 11:25), the Israelites migrated to their appointed place (2 Samuel 7:10); some crossing Europe by land, others by ships through the Mediterranean to the coast-lands of Europe and the Isles in the West. The Scots claim ancestry to the branch of the Cimmerians (Keltoi/Celts) that dwelt in Spain for a period, including at Zarah-gassa "Stronghold/fortress of Zarah", now called Zaragoza, and eventually came over to the Islands of Britain. They also claim that their royal line of kings (from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand - Genesis 38:30) has remained unbroken throughout their migrations.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
2 Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.
Josephus, the historian, writing in A.D. 70, seems to have had knowledge of the migrations of most of the Israelites from Asia toward Europe, for, in his "Antiquities of the Jews" he writes: "...wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now (A.D. 70) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (book 11, chap. 5). - JAH"

(Found under: http://jahtruth.net/scotdec.htm )

The custodians left the "fake" stone on the altar of Arbroath Abbey on 11 April 1951. -


"One final note: In the Scottish National Library there is a Gaelic manuscript (by Dugald the Scot, son of McPhail, in A.D. 1467) containing the complete genealogies of the Scottish kings, showing their descent through the Irish kings by way of Judah, Jacob-Israel and Isaac back to Abraham.

In Windsor Castle there is also a genealogical table showing the descent of the British kings from David through the Irish and Scottish lines. Thus the Monarchy existed long before there was a British Nation." Capt (p. 55)"

Source: http://jahtruth.net/stone.htm

Update - Scottish Sunday Mail article 29th June 2008:-

Exclusive: Our dad faked Stone of Destiny, claim family of stonemason who repaired relic
THE children of a stonemason who repaired the Stone of Destiny have broken their silence to reveal they are convinced it IS a fake.
Bertie Gray mended the stone in 1950 after it was accidentally broken in two as it was liberated from Westminster Abbey by four students.
But his son Gordon and daughter Morag claim he made two elaborate replicas of the stone.
He broke both and fixed each of them with three bolts so it would be impossible to tell them from the original.
Gordon and Morag believe he switched the ancient stone for one of his fakes.
They say Bertie handed over the counterfeit to the students, who left it for police to find at Arbroath Abbey.
His children believe that is the stone which now lies in Edinburgh Castle.
Retired quantity surveyor Gordon Gray and his sister Morag Tait, 79, say their dad took the secret of the real stone's whereabouts to his grave.
They spoke out after seeing the premiere of Stone Of Destiny, the £6million movie about the raid starring Robert Carlyle and Billy Boyd.
Gordon, 77, said: "I suspect he hung on to the real stone and gave back a fake. My dad liked to fool people like that.
"He was planning to wait for the hue and cry to calm down then produce the real stone but he never did and when he died in 1975, the secret died with him."
On Christmas Day in 1950, Scottish students Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Alan Stuart and Kay Matheson reclaimed the stone from Westminster Abbey then smuggled it back to Scotland.
A police probe in 1972 concluded that the stone left in Arbroath was genuine but that verdict was based on X-rays which showed it had been broken and repaired with three bolts.
What they did not know was that Bertie had made two copies of the stone.
Gordon and Morag's revelation follows claims by First Minister Alex Salmond that the stone taken from Westminster was itself a fake.
The Stone of Destiny was used to crown Scottish kings at Scone before being stolen and taken to London by Edward I in 1296.
But Salmond believes the real stone was hidden by monks who fobbed off the English king with a counterfeit.
Gordon, of Garelochhead, Dunbartonshire, said: "We had to go and see the film to see what they had said about dad - and he did get a mention which was great.
"It brought back lots of great memories though we're still not sure exactly what our father was up to half of the time."
The family say Bertie was involved in a 1920s plot to repatriate the stone.
The plan was abandoned but he held on to a replica he had made to practise lifting and hiding it.
Gordon said: "He built a special wheelchair with a friend of his, with space at the bottom to conceal the stone.
"They practised with it in Glasgow beforehand, using a replica of the stone that dad had made. There was at least one replica in his yard in Sauchiehall Street."
When the students brought the stone back to Scotland they gave it to fellow nationalist Bertie to repair. Gordon said: "He was a character and it would amuse him to bamboozle people."
Morag has inherited a pendant which her dad set with a chip of sandstone he said came from the genuine stone.
She said: "He would gather up little bits of gravel and put them in his pocket.
"He'd give them to people saying they were from the Stone. But as far as we know, the piece in my necklace is real."
The Stone, restored to Westminster after the raid in 1950, was finally returned to Scotland in 1996. Scots author Dr Edward Chisnall, 65, backed up the family's claims.
He said Bertie's nephew Sandy Black had told him two fakes had been stored under his dining room table in Glasgow.
But he could not pinpoint the resting place of the genuine stone.
He said: "Even if I did know, I wouldn't tell you. But it's maybe somewhere not too far from where it should always have been.
"It's nice, the idea of things coming home, isn't it."
'I suspect dad kept the real stone and gave back a fake. He liked to fool people'

* - The Declaration of Arbroath also has fringes on the bottom which is yet another historical link for the Scots that goes back to God's Law :- Numbers 15:37-41 and Deuteronomy 22:12
 






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The Pillars of Hercules refer to the Straits of Gibraltar (not Malta).

Scotland is named after Scota their mother, who was a princess from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand. The Scots are descended from the same stock as the Northern Irish people of Judah/Zarah, who migrated from Ireland to Scotland.
 






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interesting interesting...

that site now says The lost tribes are Europeans.

The other sites says it’s Africans and other natives tribes.

But I’m very sure Tribe of Dan is EU.
*coughfmcough*
 






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Europeans Are The Lost Tribes Of Israel - A Rare Documentary (44:30 minutes)
The info presented in this checks out afaik.
BS you're seriously off the mark. British Isrealism nonsense is so far from true world history. This is a made-up fantasy novel and sadly I see a strong affiliation with white-supremacy. There is no tie between modern Anglo-Saxons and the Ancient Israelites outside of BI thievery and probably echoes of the first African pygmies that inhabited the British Isles. "Semitic" peoples 3 thousand years ago, same as the Abyssinians Sumerians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, etc. were people of direct African phenotype- no two ways about it.

I've given you links about the original inhabitants of Europe- the same people who erected "cycolpean" monuments across the entire planet, but I'm not sure you care about facts:




How do you not realize that your group has copied and stolen for your own devices...directly from the African, Abrahamic culture of Rastafari? Brother look at it- The Solomonic Dynasty, the Ark of the Covenant, the Nazarene vow, all these elements that are established, historic FACTS in the land of ETHIOPIA, your people deny, disrespect, then try to impersonate. They thief the symbol for their shields and crest but the Lion only lives in Africa, remember that! :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomonic_dynasty



Authentic Ethopian Falshas (Beta Israel):



Rock-Hewn Churches of Lalibela:



 






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This is a made-up fantasy novel and sadly I see a strong affiliation with white-supremacy.
I've been researching the lost tribes for years and can promise you that it is actually factual and true that the British are Israel.
There is no doubt about it whatsoever, it is a historical fact.

See for yourself how the Bible describes Israel -

1 Samuel
16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

The truth is not "racist" it is just the truth and historical fact.
 






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I am not going to argue the point personally.
The nations present today are present in the scriptures. The genetic variety present in the scripture is present on the planet.
 






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I've been researching the lost tribes for years and can promise you that it is actually factual and true that the British are Israel.
There is no doubt about it whatsoever, it is a historical fact.

See for yourself how the Bible describes Israel -

1 Samuel
16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

The truth is not "racist" it is just the truth and historical fact.
I looked in to this a while ago, I have forgotten more about it than I remember tbh but I'm pretty sure you're right, I can't remember exactly what's in these links but I saved them for a reason so you might find them interesting.

The Identity of the Khumry – misnamed “Welsh” WILSON & BLACKETT's work is very interesting ;)
https://www.scribd.com/document/38420474/kummry

http://jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm
http://www.thechurchesofgod.com/PART TWO OF THE HUNT FOR THE LOST TRIBES.htm
https://aryanisrael.wordpress.com/


 






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I've been researching the lost tribes for years and can promise you that it is actually factual and true that the British are Israel.
There is no doubt about it whatsoever, it is a historical fact.

See for yourself how the Bible describes Israel -

1 Samuel
16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] altogether of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the "I AM" said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he.
17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

The truth is not "racist" it is just the truth and historical fact.
The color of ruddy can be seen if one looks up a “ruddy” duck or cow. That color doesn’t not fit the modern British.
 






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Everything I've seen, read, researched points to the American indigenous rather than Africans or the British. Historical documentation and archaeological evidence point to the indigenous having their cultural beginnings in Hebrew. This is what my thread talks about. The skin and hair, religious practices, language, commonalities between all the tribes indicate a strong relation to the Israelites.
 






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There are some clues to be found in the Scots language:

In Scots, people say "the night" instead of tonight and they say "the day" instead of today, which is also how people say it in Hebrew and Arabic.

English: I can't go to the party tonight because I've got a lot to do.

Scots: A cannae go tae the pairtie the night cause ave got a lot tae dae.
 






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There are some clues to be found in the Scots language:

In Scots, people say "the night" instead of tonight and they say "the day" instead of today, which is also how people say it in Hebrew and Arabic.

English: I can't go to the party tonight because I've got a lot to do.

Scots: A cannae go tae the pairtie the night cause ave got a lot tae dae.
With all due respect, this is hardly tangible linguistic evidence. Overlap in morphological and syntactic rules can be found across several unrelated languages. This is at best, tenuous. If you can find deeper etymological connections then maybe. Also, I do not believe the ancient Israelites were white -or black. At least not by out more modern constructions of race. The word "ruddy" is linked to "adam" which from all I can tell means red or blush - not a European or African complexion per se if we go by the average representation. Though yes, it is not about colour but lineage.
 






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My research has always pointed to the Americas and the First Americans, but the scriptures describe curses the Israelites would be under.
I think the clarity will come from The Man when he comes "like a thief in the night".
If you haven't read this already, there's an amazing book entitled "He Walked the Americas" by L. Taylor Hansen. Please see a few excerpts from it below.

This is NOT meant to imply the Native Peoples of the Americas are the "ten lost tribes of Israel", nor is it meant to derail the studies of the true people Israel. It's simply to share with those who may be interested that Christ did visit the Western Hemisphere, bringing them the same message He brought to the rest of the world.

Anyone interested in a copy of the book as a PDF, please PM me.



He Walked the Americas – Evidence of Jesus by Native Americans



And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
John 10:16

He Walked the Americas

Legends of the Pale Prophet from the Native Peoples of the Americas.

The legends that follow are the legends of the Healer. These legends were told by the fireside of a “saintly white teacher,” who performed miracles with healing and control over the winds, waters, and other natural items. All describe his eyes as gray-green like the ocean and told stories of the future. His symbol has been woven into blankets, carved on canyon walls, put on pottery and danced in dances. His name has been given to mountains and rivers.

Though the stories are many and spread throughout the Americas, they are broken into bits and pieces, hard to follow and piece together into one tale. His name varied, most names were reflective of his control over the wind and water, as he would request each tribe to name Him as they wished, stating there was no value to a name.

Common to almost all:

*He was a white man with a beard
*He said He came from across the sea
*He would choose twelve “disciples”
*He spoke of His Father’s Kingdom
*He wore a bright white garment with golden sandals
*He made references to the future
*He had control over the wind and all elements
*He had the ability to heal wounds
*His sign was the cross
*He taught love and peace
*He taught that good deeds were important
*He referred them to the Dawn Star

**The Shawnee told the author that this came from the Prophet….”Do not kill or injure your neighbor, for it is not he that you injure; you injure yourself. Do good to him, thus adding to his days of happiness even as you then add to your own. Do not wrong or hate your neighbor; for it not he that you wrong: you wrong yourself. Rather love him, for the Great Spirit loves him, even as He loves you.”

**I have heard the Cherokee story a couple times now about when the Prophet was with them. It was said that there were many tales, but most were as all the other nations. The one that was unique to the Cherokee was one in which the Healer was troubled by the events of the future. His twelve disciples (all tribes say he chose twelve for his special training!) were following him through the woods for fear any danger would come upon Him. At one point, the Healer came across a fawn that was lost in the woods. The Healer asked him where his mother was? The fawn turned his head and looked down a path. Not far away was the mother, the victim of a huge cat. She had given her life to save her young.

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The Healer knelt down beside the dead mother and started stroking the body. As His hand passed over the wounds, they healed up, leaving no marks. The deer then started breathing and rose. The disciples were upset at this and asked Him why he was wasting His energy on the animals. The Pale One said, “There cannot be too many good deeds. Such is the manner of compassion. A lost lamb is my Father’s business, as important as saving a nation, if one need not choose between them. More precious in my Father’s eyes is a good deed than the most exquisite jewel.”

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**The “Algonquin of the Eastern Seaboard” tell they received their name for the Dawn Light from the Pale One. They wouldn’t name the Prophet as He had asked them to do. They wanted to know what He was called where He grew up and He told them a namethat was strange and hard to say. But they tried hard to say it: Chee-Zoos, God of the Dawn Light, basically the same as the Puants.

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**The Chippewa remember very well the “pale Great Master.” They tell He gave them medicine lodges where the signs and emblems are secret and taken from those across the ocean. And according to the author, they keep this secret to this day.

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**The Prophet was known to come across a Puant city in the now known area of Oklahoma. It was the Prophet’s custom to always take their established temples and change them. He would chose the twelve to teach them the priesthood and then lectured the people. This was again done here as usual. But here, the people wanted to hear about his childhood. He told them he was born across the ocean where all men had beards. Even in the legends, he told them of his virgin birth and about the bright star that shone over his city of his birth. The heavens opened up and winged beings sang chants of exquisite beauty.

”When the University of Oklahoma was digging the Spiro Mound, they found mush pottery showing winged beings singing, and also the hand with the cross through the palm. To them, He was known as Chee-Zoos, the Dawn God, and they whisper of Him about the campfires when no white man can listen. To quote the book, “The love they bear Him is beyond measurement, for well they know He watches over them, and that when their journey here is over, He will meet them in the Land of Shadows, for such was His sacred promise.

“They smoke the Sacred Peace Pipe in His memory, and blow the smoke to the four directions (sign of the cross), knowing that to each man comes his retribution, no matter how flows the river of history. Thus in great pride walks the Red Man, even though now dire poverty stalks him and starvation or hunger sits at his table. In the mask like calm of his expression there smiles a secret satisfaction, a something which to puzzled white men is entirely beyond understanding.”

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**They tell that He always wore a long white toga, with black crosses embroidered along the bottom, and had golden sandals

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*It is said the hot springs of Tacobya mark the passage of the Healer. In a canyon nearby isthe hand with the T cross in it, and near this the Great Cross. It is understood that He traveled to the Havasu, raising one arm in greeting meaning “Peace and Prosperity to you”. He then stopped and tapped a large rock with his staff and water gushed out of it. He drank from this sacred water and today it is called the Spring of Tacobya.

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“Have you ever wondered about the cedar…every tribe revere it…high priests mix its shavings with the leaves of our tobacco? And why do we blow smoke across our bodies, when we are returning from the war trail? Is it not to ask His forgiveness, as was once taught by the Pale Prophet? Why do we plant these trees upon the Great Mound-those ancient histories of our cities? Was it not to warn all men that once He walked here; the Sacred One, the Miracle Worker?

And the color of snow: among all the nations it stands for peace. Why is this so? Because He wore it, as he traveled from nation to nation He taught the people to live in peace and to speak in council, thus settling all their problems. This was His way and the way of His Father.

Why do we raise our hands up in greeting? Because that was His sign, a tradition which we still follow.”

Why do we use the Cross as a sacred symbol? Was it not because He wore it about the hem of His full white garment, and carried the sign on His two hands, those hands so gifted in healing?…In the Wisacoo Lodge and many others there are some who still know His secret language, but those things are being fast forgotten.”

See also: Chief Dan and the Hopi Prophecy
 






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