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TempestOfTempo

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Trump's policies aren't as nationalist as people think they are. He has trade tariffs on China, sure. Although he exempted imports on clothing for a while, until he and his daughter can find somewhere to make their clothes. He's working to allow certain Chinese companies that were banned to come back. His has business interests in Scotland, Turkey, and Russia. He had business relations in China, before the election... And you can bet he'll work to have them once he's out of office.

Trump's nationalism is a farce. It's a few token actions to make the "America First" crowd happy and a lot of negative language the emboldens them.



It's "grass-roots" - and emboldened by Fox News and other conservative news outlets. There's also rarely truly negative press that a clever person can't spin to their benefit.



That's the thing. There's a lot shady about him people overlook and I think it's because people are so convinced (rightfully) that the media is bad that they don't stop for a moment to think that's it's very possible to lie and say something's bad in hopes that someone rejects what they are told.

Furthermore, as an anarchist, even if everything that people want to think about Trump is true... He's still not my man. If he's not a NWO shill, playing the roll of the "anti-establishment president" that means he's actually genuinely a hyper-nationalist, genuinely racist asshole who can only set us on a path of fascism... And that ain't any better. Getting stabbed or getting shot.
Dont forget the Ag bailout to "assist" the farmers that have been financially decimated by Trumps tariff "wars" w/China...... also dont forget that Chinese owned farms in America are able to avail themselves of that bailout cash as well lol

Let that sink in Trump supporters......
 

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Chris Hedges & Abby Martin: No Way Out Through Elections
Thank you for posting this z gharib!
(A few key points he brought up.)
At the 18 mark he discusses the warvangelicals and how their Fascism is characterized by:
a) A binary view of the world.
b) A separation of the world into us and them, good and evil....
c) An externalization of evil.
d) Evil is embodied in "the other" and "the other" must be annihilated.
e) This knowledge of our own capacity for evil should make us constantly weary and want to fight against our own evil and that of others.
f) Religious traditions that are not fascistic realize that good and evil lies within all of us and that this line between the victim and the victimizer is razor thin.
g) This is an ideology based on hate of others who do not follow their worldview.
h) This ideology is also about the sanctification of American power and more. Based on exultation, nationalism and violence as a form of purification.
I) This type of ideology creates a false camaraderie and a temporary relief of anomie or alienation.

Getting rid of Trump will not solve this problem and Chris agrees with Chomsky, Pence is worst.

Excellent video and thoughts by Chris Hedges.
 
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This could be something serious...... on a variety of fronts......
Heres the backstory.......
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/09/721761041/why-deutsche-bank-loaned-donald-trump-billions-when-no-one-else-would

And heres the latest development... a convenient co-winkydink or does Trump have a Clinton-esque body count of his own?
https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/commercial-real-estate/deutsche-bank-exec-trump-loans-dead-suicide-102007
A trend?
https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/11/28/another-banker-suicide-intriguing-parallels-between-us-and-estonian-deaths/
 
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Again, you raise a fair point.

I would simply counter by asking a question. Do you trust the average CEO to tell you the whole truth? I sure as hell don't. Especially when you consider we are literally living in an age of gaslighting.

I work at a pretty large corporation so allow me to draw some parallels here. It's a regular occurrence where upper management gaslights all of their own workers. For example, they hide the reality of their revenue, they hide the reality of their strategies. Basically, if they can get away with lying about anything which they pretty much always can, then that's their go-to move.

Furthermore, I can probably generate a long list of companies that went bankrupt and it was a complete shock to every one of their customers and employees. I'll trust corporate America as soon as they get down on their knees.
"Trump relishes the role of an underdog, persecuted by the powerful. It’s what enables him to connect to a political base that, aside from his deep-pocket funders, feels disempowered by a rigged economy and a sclerotic political system. Impeachment, for this constituency, vindicates the narrative of the “deep state.”

You make a good and interesting point. So, could it be then that this “persecution” is all a charade, atleast at the highest levels of the media houses?

As the old saying goes: Everybody loves a good victim.

You only need to hound someone so much or incessantly demonize them which almost always generates sympathy for the “victim”. As such, do the higher echelons of power know and understand that despite his nationalist rhetoric (some of which is just theater) that resonates with some, he is still unelectable? And inorder to get him there and keep him there to further their agenda, they have to maintain some sort of fierce opposition to the guy?

Ofcourse, he doesn’t have to be in the loop or knowledgeable about all the shadowy figures working to keep him in office……otherwise, he’d tweet about it! :)
Moreover, demonizing Trump has never worked, and it never will work. A balanced approach would serve them better, that is, if they actually wanted to defeat Trump. The problem is I don't think anyone running the news wants to defeat him. They seem perfectly fine milking their cheap shots.
I think you are right. If they were truly against him, would they give him that much negative coverage? Even I, am so tired of how much coverage CNN gives him. There are other important things going on around the world.

It's amazing that the majority of American who cry about the terrifying threat of economic "Socialism", have no concern about court ordered mental health treatment, unwarranted government surveillance, internet censorship, or a militarized police force. Since 9/11 ignorant US citizens have allowed their liberties be slowly eroded under the guise of "security". Drumph is a sick, ill individual but he's just a puppet for other establishment powers and their interests.

@DesertRose I'm sure you've seen them but here's two of the articles that were brought up in the video.

William Barr Announces Pre-Crime Program

Trump Touts More Militarized Police

“To help keep you safe, I’ve made $600 million-worth of surplus military equipment available to local law enforcement,” Trump told the audience of police chiefs."
“He became president, but he didn’t know why, and on sept 11, he discovered why”. ~Michael Ledeen on GWB

Quite the window, albeit a small one, into why individuals assume the highest office in the land. Therefore, in light of these developments, it’s prudent to ask: does Trump know (yet) why he became president?
 

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Until people wake up and realize that in zio (which includes MOST neocons) terms, Ukraine is just code for Israel east, they won't get it. I'm pretty sure it was jewish neocon David Frum who stated to Bill Maher on Real Time that the plan per Ukraine vis a vis Russia was that "We are going to try to pry it away from them without upsetting them too much."

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

https://www.academia.edu/33324624/The_Grand_Chessboard_American_Primacy_And_Its_Geostrategic_Imperatives_by_Zbigniew_Brzezinski
 
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The only way Trump is dangerous is if he’s an extension of the current power structure. If they actually hate him as much as they appear to, that’s a good thing.

Anyone who thinks Trump’s election worsens the landscape, is taking a very surface-level, artificial view of current and previous events.

He could never do enough to truly make things any better. He’s too limited. But I like the exposure of the Deep State that’s been an extension of the Assange Wikileaks revelations.

Unless somebody thinks Assange is controlled opposition playing for the Deep State (...although anyone who thinks that has to come with some good evidence to be credible in my opinion).

Trumps a clown, Clinton is Satan.
If Tulsi Gabbard wasn’t so socially liberal in some areas, she would make a great prez in my eyes.
 
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Until people wake up and realize that in zio (which includes MOST neocons) terms, Ukraine is just code for Israel east, they won't get it. I'm pretty sure it was jewish neocon David Frum who stated to Bill Maher on Real Time that the plan per Ukraine vis a vis Russia was that "We are going to try to pry it away from them without upsetting them too much."

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

https://www.academia.edu/33324624/The_Grand_Chessboard_American_Primacy_And_Its_Geostrategic_Imperatives_by_Zbigniew_Brzezinski
The pot is beginning to boil over.......
 

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She likes him...the impeachment isn’t personal..lol!
like the rest of the world..idiots rule!

A visibly angry House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday lashed out at a reporter who asked her if she hated President Trump — asserting she didn’t hate anyone and pointedly warning the journalist: “Don’t mess with me.”

“Do you hate the president, Ms. Speaker?” the reporter, James Rosen from the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group, asked during Pelosi’s weekly press briefing at the Capitol.

“I don’t hate anybody. We don’t hate anybody. Not anybody in the world. Don’t accuse me,” she said, leaving the podium to approach Rosen and pointing at him as she spoke.
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https://nypost.com/2019/12/05/nancy-pelosi-tells-sinclair-reporter-james-rosen-dont-mess-with-me/
 

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She likes him...the impeachment isn’t personal..lol!
like the rest of the world..idiots rule!

A visibly angry House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday lashed out at a reporter who asked her if she hated President Trump — asserting she didn’t hate anyone and pointedly warning the journalist: “Don’t mess with me.”

“Do you hate the president, Ms. Speaker?” the reporter, James Rosen from the conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group, asked during Pelosi’s weekly press briefing at the Capitol.

“I don’t hate anybody. We don’t hate anybody. Not anybody in the world. Don’t accuse me,” she said, leaving the podium to approach Rosen and pointing at him as she spoke.
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She talks like she’s impaired. I guess it’s hard to get new corrupt blood.
 
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TempestOfTempo

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Lol!
How does she keep getting re-elected? It has to make ya wonder how idiots have any support.
"has to make ya wonder how idiots have any support"
Well you have over 4K likes there Lisa, so I guess theres hope for everyone!
 

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"has to make ya wonder how idiots have any support"
Well you have over 4K likes there Lisa, so I guess theres hope for everyone!
Lol! I do happen to have the most likes I’ve ever had..the last forum..I barely had any...but then the muslim/Christian ratio was a lot different then now.
 

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Trump tells pro-Israel conference that some Jews don’t love Israel enough
US president tells Florida audience they will vote for him to protect their wealth; accusations of anti-Semitism after speech to Israeli American Council

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-tells-jewish-group-theyll-vote-for-him-to-protect-their-wealth/

“Later, Trump told an anecdote about people saying that he wouldn’t step down after a second term.

So now we have to start thinking about that, because it’s not a bad idea,” Trump said. The audience responded with chants of “12 more years.”

What are things that a dictator says,Alex?
 
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