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Wife beaters handbook? Well just blame someone, that is out of the victim playbook. Sheesh.

I don't like him much myself but more-so than Hillary. It is not like we have several or perfect choices. And the recession is coming no matter who is in office for they do not control the Fed.
The recession is coming because he cut tax revenue (from the people who could afford to pay it most on top of it), increased the deficit exponentially by doing so, and then started trade wars which hurt American businesses and American consumers.

You keep saying the economy is GREAT! Trump has been great for the economy!! And now your saying the recession is coming, so which is it?

If you don’t want me to point it out then stop using dishonest tactics to try to discredit anyone who criticizes the man.
 





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I have said the recession is coming for years because of the fake money fed but I also gave Trump credit for making some adjustments when he came into the office to make it better -- more jobs, low gas prices and actually attempting to right the wrongs of those who gave away money for nothing to other countries.

I do not have magical powers to halt your criticism nor is that my intent. I am trying to wake people up to not take out all their angst on a single man. Your criticism, IMO, is over the top and that will be met on a discussion board with some push back.

As for the tactics you label me with, well .... I say this with as much respect as possible, but you protest and complain about a lot. You seem to think Trump is to blame for the same things you may or may not complain about if he was not in the office.

So, you are really blaming a recession that is not here quite yet on one move by Trump and not worldwide problems? The recession I am talking about will be worldwide and not just in the US. I made a thread on that. A recession also happens when people want too many free benefits expecting the government to foot the bill and citizens wanting to live beyond their means.

I resent you trying to make me a bully wife-beater with nefarious tendencies. I am the same person who took up for you when you had a stalker and was at the front of the line to do so.

Lastly, Trump is CONSIDERING a payroll tax cut. It has not happened yet, so why are we acting as it has? So, maybe the secondary point here is can we stick to facts? Seriously, your hate for Trump does not seem really healthy to me but I actually support your freedom to complain. Just maybe consider you will hear differing views when doing so. And I know this will seem standoffish in your view, but if MSM does not play a role in your take, then why do you hit their talking points? I mean, we have to get our information in some way from reading or listening to others.

The alternative to Trump is the crazed socialism bent left. The Democrats who run cities which are overrun by homelessness and crime. The ones who had us in conflicts with Isis, etc and catered to the Military-Industrial Complex. The ones who want to open the borders which will essentially halt all hand out programs for our poor in that the money will run out. The ones who will help deliver us into eventual one-world rule where our thoughts will send us to jail.

Trump is a blowhard and hard to stomach and more or less has been neutralized and may be sold out, but I would take him over Hillary any day of the week and I will begrudgingly back him over any socialist candidate. I realize he is not really in control but others seem to think he is. But I do like the slowing of the roll into all-out madness the Democratic party I once belonged to wants.
1) we were already steadily adding jobs to the economy before trump took office. And the jobs that have been added under both obama and trump have been shit. Low paying, no benefits, shitty hours etc.

Gas is hovering around $3/gallon where I live, has been for a long time. So I don’t see low gas prices either. And even if it was that is based on global factors, not trump.

He’s also still giving away money to other countries last time I checked.

2) would you rather me say “the republicans led by trump and neo liberals?” Trump is the president. The head of his party. Hence trump takes the most heat. It isn’t like he’s out there actively opposing the things his party is doing that I don’t agree with, he’s supporting or even pushing for them.

3) id complain about these things no matter which president was doing them. I chose to be a social worker, these were issues ALWAYS important to me or I wouldn’t have chosen a profession that is literally all about them.

4) it’s not one move.. come on. He gave the richest Americans a tax cut - the money they saved isn’t getting pumped back into the economy because no matter how rich you are there’s only so much money a person can spend. And businesses don’t hire because they have more money, they hire because they have more work. If the people needing the work don’t have money both they and the businesses they would use if they did suffer. And the tax cut ended up being an increase for a lot of people in the upper middle class - the people who actually do spend money and pump it into the economy. The poor didn’t see more or lose more so it was a wash.

Then add in the trade wars which are hurting American businesses and consumers. Businesses are losing revenue and consumers are paying more. This isn’t good. Not for anyone.

So we have less government revenue to do things, people have less to spend, and costs are increasing. How was that not going to cause or seriously contribute to a recession?

5) I don’t want you to resent me and I will always appreciate what you did for me in that situation. Always. But this specific issue is bringing out a side of you I’ve never seen and don’t specifically like. I’m not saying you are that way generally but on this issue that is how you are behaving. I’m looking at green grass and your trying to convince me it’s purple. When I won’t accept it’s purple you tell me I’m brainwashed or deflect to tell me well the grass may be green but can you believe what those clouds did? It’s not an honest debate method. It’s not cool. I’ve never once expressed support for Hilary or obama but every time I criticize trump you try to throw them in my face, then blame msm, then tell me I’m delusional like I can’t trust my own eyes ears and experience.. this seems to be an emotional issue for you but you don’t want to say that. I will freely admit it is for me. The things he is attacking are fundamentally important to me. Both personally and professionally.

6) there has been a republican goal of cutting social security, Medicaid and Medicare for YEARS. It has always received a ton of push back so they haven’t gone there... but this is an indication they found a new way to frame it and make it atleast temporarily acceptable. Because people don’t naturally think long term, they think “oh great more money in my paycheck” and th fact that it will come at expense of their retirement or disability doesn’t register until it’s too late.

5) you are talking about neoliberals, not the left I support. There’s a big difference. And the republicans in general are no better on any of those issues.
 





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As far as the economy goes, the market is due for a correction. It's just a question of if there's a hard or soft landing. Now the real problem is that everything is overvalued. You know? It's that whole race to the top mentality. So as the cost of everything skyrockets one must ask, who benefits the most? Well, let me enlighten you, it's the banks that benefit.

More inflation means bigger loans, more fees, and more ways to finger fuck the books. Sounds risky though right? Except it's not because the banks hold enough power to negate all that risk. It's called quantitive easing and public bailouts. When the banks over-leverage themselves we will all have to pay for it.

Given all that, I find it amusing when Americans are worried about socialism. I mean what I'm describing is a redistribution of wealth in it's purest form. All our money is going to banks, and a few corporations milking cash cows. I don't call that capitalism, It's more like pillage and plunder.

I'll tell you what really keeps me up at night though. It's how the race to the top is completely stifling innovation. New technologies are being kept from the public, and that's like keeping us in the dark ages when we could see the light. The way things are going now a lot of us will end up old and sick with a safety net full of holes.
 





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1) we were already steadily adding jobs to the economy before trump took office. And the jobs that have been added under both obama and trump have been shit. Low paying, no benefits, shitty hours etc.

Gas is hovering around $3/gallon where I live, has been for a long time. So I don’t see low gas prices either. And even if it was that is based on global factors, not trump.

He’s also still giving away money to other countries last time I checked.

2) would you rather me say “the republicans led by trump and neo liberals?” Trump is the president. The head of his party. Hence trump takes the most heat. It isn’t like he’s out there actively opposing the things his party is doing that I don’t agree with, he’s supporting or even pushing for them.

3) id complain about these things no matter which president was doing them. I chose to be a social worker, these were issues ALWAYS important to me or I wouldn’t have chosen a profession that is literally all about them.

4) it’s not one move.. come on. He gave the richest Americans a tax cut - the money they saved isn’t getting pumped back into the economy because no matter how rich you are there’s only so much money a person can spend. And businesses don’t hire because they have more money, they hire because they have more work. If the people needing the work don’t have money both they and the businesses they would use if they did suffer. And the tax cut ended up being an increase for a lot of people in the upper middle class - the people who actually do spend money and pump it into the economy. The poor didn’t see more or lose more so it was a wash.

Then add in the trade wars which are hurting American businesses and consumers. Businesses are losing revenue and consumers are paying more. This isn’t good. Not for anyone.

So we have less government revenue to do things, people have less to spend, and costs are increasing. How was that not going to cause or seriously contribute to a recession?

5) I don’t want you to resent me and I will always appreciate what you did for me in that situation. Always. But this specific issue is bringing out a side of you I’ve never seen and don’t specifically like. I’m not saying you are that way generally but on this issue that is how you are behaving. I’m looking at green grass and your trying to convince me it’s purple. When I won’t accept it’s purple you tell me I’m brainwashed or deflect to tell me well the grass may be green but can you believe what those clouds did? It’s not an honest debate method. It’s not cool. I’ve never once expressed support for Hilary or obama but every time I criticize trump you try to throw them in my face, then blame msm, then tell me I’m delusional like I can’t trust my own eyes ears and experience.. this seems to be an emotional issue for you but you don’t want to say that. I will freely admit it is for me. The things he is attacking are fundamentally important to me. Both personally and professionally.

6) there has been a republican goal of cutting social security, Medicaid and Medicare for YEARS. It has always received a ton of push back so they haven’t gone there... but this is an indication they found a new way to frame it and make it atleast temporarily acceptable. Because people don’t naturally think long term, they think “oh great more money in my paycheck” and th fact that it will come at expense of their retirement or disability doesn’t register until it’s too late.

5) you are talking about neoliberals, not the left I support. There’s a big difference. And the republicans in general are no better on any of those issues.
You live in Pennsylvania that has a higher than average gas prices at 3.00 per gallon. That is not Trump or his policies but your state taxes that are to blame. He does not create higher than normal state taxes. I have made this point before, but it was up to 5 bucks under Obama and please ask forum members from other countries what they pay a gallon and you will see we have it made in the shade.

You made my point on number 3 that you like to protest no matter who is in office:)

As for the one move Trump made, that is what you seemingly implied when I read the posts or how I took it. And you are still assuming what has not happened will happen in that the payroll tax is not official.

And when we speak of Trump, most know he is not an actual traditional republican but a businessman who somehow became president in that other choices we so wretched.

As for cuts, it is a tricky issue. In some ways, the money will run out one way or another. I do not support any political party in a 100% manner.

As for Aero's claim on socialism. It really is not a worry for Americans will likely rise up into the civil war they want if they truly try to implement it. But fantasies about redistribution of wealth is a pipe dream.

The point which always gets lost for me is that people have been conditioned to blame Trump for everything. We are falling for the propaganda on the whole and dividing as planned.

The silliest thing to me is to blame one man for everything and think if he did not exist or gets voted out that things will be fine. The MSM is using Trump as a distraction from all the other things which threaten the world. Heck, it may be too late for us to recover and band together on anything for conditioning is non stop at this time like never before in history,

It is clear to me that one side will eventually win out in the division. But which one? The other side will then be considered wrong thinkers and a threat to those in power and that is when we get Martial law and full-on control of every narrative.
 





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The recession is coming because he cut tax revenue (from the people who could afford to pay it most on top of it), increased the deficit exponentially by doing so, and then started trade wars which hurt American businesses and American consumers.

You keep saying the economy is GREAT! Trump has been great for the economy!! And now your saying the recession is coming, so which is it?

If you don’t want me to point it out then stop using dishonest tactics to try to discredit anyone who criticizes the man.
he is considering new tax cuts!!!! fine but make sure they are paid for!!! can anyone talk about how poor the infrastructure is overall??? keep that great - NO...

i bet he is hoping tax cuts will help with reelection - he clearly thinks all people care about is money...
 





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In an ideal world, we shrink government and spending. With tech as it is today, we can communicate with one another like never before. Our literacy alone should enable us to streamline things in that we understand the world's culture like never before, yet we hang on to a dinosaur of tradition in wasted policies by crooked deep state politicians who are on the take from lobbyists.

The problem is there are totalitarians wanting to control us and they are doing so by making power poles to resist one another. We could cut taxes by allowing individuals to have the power of production. We no longer need centralized control of the government which wants to push us into one world dependence. In short private individuals are capable of controlling their own environment without government or one world leadership intervention. Modern innovation can easily aid in shrinking government spending via using technology in a proper manner.

So far, Trump's tax cuts have aided in activating a stagnant economy. The other side of things want big government and spending, so it is odd we are centered on just these proposed cuts while ignoring the other side of the spectrum. We do not need more staff and more government officials and their pricey pensions. We need to streamline and like it or not the US is one of the only countries in decent shape economically with the changes so many seemingly hate.

In short, it is okay to get along and to drop the divide for the greater good. We can't talk wars and recession into existence. How many here have gone nuts saying we are almost in a war and then it never happens? How many are actually hoping the economy tanks just to get Trump out of office? How many here would possibly strike a neighbor for their political beliefs? How many here just want everyone to think as they do? How many here are from other countries and just enjoy stirring the pot? If yes, what is that truly accomplishing to want divide on a daily basis?
 





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And when we speak of Trump, most know he is not an actual traditional republican but a businessman who somehow became president in that other choices we so wretched.
People don't just "somehow" become the president of America. America is a Free Masonic state pushing forward free Masonic/Zionist agendas. Trump is just part of the pantomime.

If you choose to immerse yourself in the left/right, democrats/republicans side show then that's up to you. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the average man on the street which party is in power or what lies they told you to get there because politics is just one of tools of distraction used by TPTB.

As it stands today no generation in the history of man have been systematically poisoned, monitored and surveilled, lied to and manipulated like we are being subjected to today.

Psycopaths are in charge of the world. 9/11 proved that and fuck all has changed. Those psycopaths have no regard for human life....they need to be stopped before they start culling their useless eaters in large numbers. Now if you can identify a bigger problem we all have than that then I'd be happy to hear it.

If you want to try an convince people that one particular politician is somehow better than the next then all that demonstrates is that you can't see the bigger picture. But when you start having a pop at anybody who tries exposing this charade for what it is and you then try and deflect how totally obnoxious Trump is by comparing him to Hilary and Obama it just makes it look like you're missing the point.....completely.

If Trump wasn't so contemptible there wouldn't be as many people voicing their contempt for him....it's that simple really isn't it? If you're that obnoxious there is gonna be some pushback right?

Now following your argument that we should not be blaming "one man" for the state of world affairs you may have noticed that each time people post here to expose the puppeteers pulling Trumps strings they get labelled anti-Semitic.....you can't win either way.

Oh by the way we pay over £6 a gallon for fuel here in the UK so at $3 a gallon you got it it good....and that has probably got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that for the last 15 years America has been invading and pillaging oil rich middle eastern countries with impunity.

The eagle is the wrong symbol for America....it should be a cuckoo.

No offence.
 





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Interestingly enough, when it comes to the USA freedom act and payroll taxes, trump and Obama are one in the same person.

The USA freedom act was the reform made to continue provisions from the patriot act under the Obama administration. This was a major letdown for me at the time because I saw the Democratic Party as opposing the war and being willing to unwind the whole process that bush set up, but they didn’t.

Obama also approved a payroll tax which cut from social security.

“The Obama administration approved a payroll-tax holiday in 2011 and 2012 in an attempt to buttress an economy climbing out of the financial crisis. The cut was 2% for two years, and would have cost the equivalent of $300 billion today to Social Security. The general budget reimbursed the program for its losses, but that reimbursement added to the nation’s debt.

If the Trump administration were to adopt the same policy — a 2% cut for two years — Social Security’s expected 75-year shortfall would expand by 3% in the next 75 years. The shortfall for the 2020-21 fiscal year, however, would triple, Goldwein noted.

“A big risk associated with a payroll-tax holiday like this is [that] you put it in effect and then it’s hard to unwind,” Goldwein said.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...yroll-tax-cut-would-only-worsen-it-2019-08-20

At this point, if trump and Obama are basically the same in many ways that matter, I would take Obama’s tact any day of the week. Trump’s mouth and demeanor has reached a limit. I still wouldn’t vote for a Hillary, but I do think trump will have a hard time being re-elected next to any democrat that somewhat resembles Obama and doesn’t resemble Hillary. If it were between trump and Obama, I would prefer another Obama honestly.

Trump is not anti-pc. He is a whiny little brat with no filter. I can only imagine how he sees continuing the USA freedom act as beneficial for him if he is re-elected. I can just picture him trying to call the nsa to see if they could check Alec Baldwin’s phone calls to see if he has been talking about him behind his back.

I bet trump wouldn’t be able to resist posting this on his twitter feed if he was able to get information like this either. My gosh, the only reason that man won is because he ran against Hillary and I will honestly be glad when his reign is over. I am so tired of talking about trump, hearing about trump, the whole thing.

And on top of that, the last three presidents have really been passing a torch regarding things that actually matter and affect everyone whether you are democrat or republican. They all seem like they are really on the same team no matter how much of a show they put on during debates.
 





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In response to Awoken - I do get what you are saying. But I still choose to want to live my life out as best as possible and so I do look at the lesser of two evils while knowing the mirage is just that. As for gas prices, that was a point I was making to Jess in that it is great here compared to the UK and other places. I still contend people waste effort on trashing Trump when there is, as you said, so much else going on. I think the post I made after the one you quoted speaks best for my thoughts. I understand my country in that I live in it and I see the outrageousness that surely drives those elsewhere nuts.

FWIW, my Dad was actually a Mason for a few years (3) and he got out of it and was dismayed at what he learned and was never the same person again in that he was so let down. That is just one of many reveals I let out slowly. He chose a better path and put up with shit for a good two years after separating from them. And FWIW, he learned of them in the church where they were active and recruited him. And before you crack on him, there was no internet for info at the time and he realized what he was seeing was wrong. As I said, a story for another day or when the timing is right. I saw their tactics first hand and the hold they sought over others. It was an interesting time that made more sense to me as time passed.

So, we just think differently from personal experiences Awoken and that is okay, right? But trust me, I see things are crooked. I am not saying Trump is better for all, just me when talking of the alternatives. But I am aware he is not my friend and that he is tainted as well. Once you learn some things, you tend to dance between the lines trying to find the happiness they tried to rob us of. I think it is best to realize people hold pieces to puzzles.
 





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In an ideal world, we shrink government and spending. With tech as it is today, we can communicate with one another like never before. Our literacy alone should enable us to streamline things in that we understand the world's culture like never before, yet we hang on to a dinosaur of tradition in wasted policies by crooked deep state politicians who are on the take from lobbyists.

The problem is there are totalitarians wanting to control us and they are doing so by making power poles to resist one another. We could cut taxes by allowing individuals to have the power of production. We no longer need centralized control of the government which wants to push us into one world dependence. In short private individuals are capable of controlling their own environment without government or one world leadership intervention. Modern innovation can easily aid in shrinking government spending via using technology in a proper manner.

So far, Trump's tax cuts have aided in activating a stagnant economy. The other side of things want big government and spending, so it is odd we are centered on just these proposed cuts while ignoring the other side of the spectrum. We do not need more staff and more government officials and their pricey pensions. We need to streamline and like it or not the US is one of the only countries in decent shape economically with the changes so many seemingly hate.

In short, it is okay to get along and to drop the divide for the greater good. We can't talk wars and recession into existence. How many here have gone nuts saying we are almost in a war and then it never happens? How many are actually hoping the economy tanks just to get Trump out of office? How many here would possibly strike a neighbor for their political beliefs? How many here just want everyone to think as they do? How many here are from other countries and just enjoy stirring the pot? If yes, what is that truly accomplishing to want divide on a daily basis?
I agree with your rationale for why we government could shrink in the modern world. There is no way that we should be expanding government if people are capable of a degree of independence that has not been possible before.
 





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I haven’t noticed gas prices change all that much since Obama took office either. That last time I noticed real high gas prices was during the bush administration. They were like a yo-yo then. High, low, high, low. They have been around the same price fluctuating maybe by 50 cents in either direction for the last 11 years or so.
 





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The only way trump will win re-election is if he runs against Biden. I swear if Biden wins the democratic primary, if people are still talking about fascists versus antifa or whatever, instead of a clearly rigged voting system, I will have to take another undetermined break from everything concerning politics to cry and grieve over this tragedy.
 





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Jews tweet 'disloyal to Trump' after Trump calls them disloyal
Trump doubles down on remarks, saying "if you want to vote Democrat, you're being disloyal to Jewish people and Israel".
Politicians, activists and other Americans are tweeting how they are proudly "disloyal to Trump" after the US president said on Tuesday that any Jewish person who votes for Democrats shows "either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty".
The hashtag, #DisloyalToTrump, trended on Twitter on Tuesday evening into Wednesday with many calling the president's comments anti-Semitic.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ump-trump-calls-disloyal-190821140627303.html
 





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So I just read the jobs numbers had to be downgraded by over half a million jobs... I can’t access my times until September 1st so if anyone can fill me in why itd be much appreciated
 





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His diplomacy is spread like syphilis at an orgy.


To me he just sounds like some mental accountant who's been called in to try and save some corporation from going banko.

What I do find interesting is the fact that all these end times religious nuts are all fully behind Trump, just watch this video, it clearly shows why all the resident Zionist posters here have no problem whatsoever with Trump.

 





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His diplomacy is spread like syphilis at an orgy.


To me he just sounds like some mental accountant who's been called in to try and save some corporation from going banko.

What I do find interesting is the fact that all these end times religious nuts are all fully behind Trump, just watch this video, it clearly shows why all the resident Zionist posters here have no problem whatsoever with Trump.

The most chilling line from the above video...

"We are about to turn this planet into a paradise!!!"

Let's just hope he wasn't referring to this one eh? (Freeze frame at 1 min 8 secs)



https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ifornia-deadliest-fire-untold-story-survivors

From above article....

."Dating back to the Gold Rush, Paradise was less a garden of earthly delights than a quiet community of 27,000, with homes and trailer parks hidden amid dense stands of pines and oaks"
 





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