Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders

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Did you read the article I provided for you? It in depth explains all these things you keep mentioning and how they are bad science and flat out wrong. If you are truly interested then isn’t it worth the read?

Jews did not have “higher iqs” prior to ww2, the exact opposite was true. Try again.

I’m sorry but you don’t understand. If you haven’t lived among them you have literally zero insight into how they build these empires that you think are based on exceptionalism when in reality it is actually a very basic form of nepotism. I could explain it but then you’ll accuse me of being anti Jew, which I’m not, or blaming them for the worlds problems, which I don’t.
We don't know if Jews had higher IQs before WW2 since I don't think there was any widespread testing done. But somehow they managed to become brilliant physicists (Einstein, Oppenheimer etc) BEFORE WW2. Hitler thought they were so smart that they had to be eliminated for the sake of his country.
 






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We don't know if Jews had higher IQs before WW2 since I don't think there was any widespread testing done. But somehow they managed to become brilliant physicists (Einstein, Oppenheimer etc) BEFORE WW2. Hitler thought they were so smart that they had to be eliminated for the sake of his country.
I thought it's because they thought they were subhumans as Himmler stated?

Show us where Hitler believed they were so smart they had to be eliminated?

The Germans also, believed they were the master race and that Jews were subhumans. Does this mean it's true?
 






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By your own very logic if we were to go by Jews being more intelligent naturally than other races than Nazis were the master race and Jews were rats. You see you Zionist it's easy to pick apart your arguments because they're grounded in stupidity and racism. I'm really questioning your high IQ score lol.
Helio isn't saying that 'the Jews are more intelligent than other races', he said the ashkenazis who happens to be Jews have a high IQ score and Asians have a high IQ too. In fact Asians have an average IQ that is even higher than Jews but it doesn't mean they are superior.

I think the point is that there is differences between cultures and it's not the same thing as eugenics which stated that some people where genetically superior and others inherently inferior.

Personally, I don't think IQ tests are an accurate indicator for Intelligence.
I believe emotional intelligence is more important, that a good leader doesn't need to have mountains of degrees and people have various skills/talents that they express in different ways that's why i'm not rooting for racialist worldviews.
 






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I thought it's because they thought they were subhumans as Himmler stated?

Show us where Hitler believed they were so smart they had to be eliminated?

The Germans also, believed they were the master race and that Jews were subhumans. Does this mean it's true?
He thought they were subhuman morally yes but not in intelligence. He read the Protocols and thought the exact same thing you do.
 






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He thought they were subhuman morally yes but not in intelligence. He read the Protocols and thought the exact same thing you do.
A subhuman is a person lower than a human. That means they're less than humans in every way. Show me where they thought they were so smart they had to be eliminated?

I don't think that at all. Stop with the strawman fallacies, Zionist :)
 






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We don't know if Jews had higher IQs before WW2 since I don't think there was any widespread testing done. But somehow they managed to become brilliant physicists (Einstein, Oppenheimer etc) BEFORE WW2. Hitler thought they were so smart that they had to be eliminated for the sake of his country.
Where are you getting this stuff? There was widespread intelligence testing used in the early 20th century. They do know for a fact jews iq scores on average were lower prior to ww2 - the epigenetic study you cited even mentioned this. Have you read your own sources?

In accordance with our third research question, we found that in our ROI, the ventral striatum, beta parameter estimates of reward anticipation (BOLD-signal) showed a significant positive association with gIQ (1.4% variance explained, df = 1463, p = 4.1 × 10−6, bootstrapped CI: 0.49–3.24%; Fig. 3d). This finding was confirmed using split-half cross-validation (d0: 1.4%, df = 726, p = 1.1 × 10−3; d1: 1.7%, df = 725, p = 4.4 × 10−4).
. Epigenetic control of gene expression is modulated by environmental factors such as stress exposure to the individual or in some cases parental generation48. Stress exposure and further environmental factors also strongly modulate dopaminergic neurotransmission, with relations to epigenetic modification unexplored.
I didn’t comment on your epigenetics article earlier because it is a dense article to get through. A proper full evaluation of that article would require more time and energy then I am willing to commit to the endeavor. Tbh I highly doubt that you actually read past the abstract, but I’d love to be proven wrong about that do feel free to do so.

To start you can let me know what you think the two above quotes indicate.

I’ll give you a hint. The two interrelate but neither indicates genetic differences due to racial group.

(The info on pre World War Two iq scores is right on the first couple pages of your article and all throughout the article I posted for you earlier - which again you clearly didn’t read)
 






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Helio isn't saying that 'the Jews are more intelligent than other races', he said the ashkenazis who happens to be Jews have a high IQ score and Asians have a high IQ too. In fact Asians have an average IQ that is even higher than Jews but it doesn't mean they are superior.

I think the point is that there is differences between cultures and it's not the same thing as eugenics which stated that some people where genetically superior and others inherently inferior.

Personally, I don't think IQ tests are an accurate indicator for Intelligence.
I believe emotional intelligence is more important, that a good leader doesn't need to have mountains of degrees and people have various skills/talents that they express in different ways that's why i'm not rooting for racialist worldviews.
Even the creator of iq tests didn’t think iq tests were an accurate indicator of intelligence.
 






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The divergence of views here is echoed on the international scene. I know most people may expect me to say this, but we live in prophetically white-hot times right now. Time to be “woke” in the true sense of the word!

 






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The divergence of views here is echoed on the international scene. I know most people may expect me to say this, but we live in prophetically white-hot times right now. Time to be “woke” in the true sense of the word!

I heard there's an ancient book that prophesied that, in the last days of the earth, the city of Jerusalem would become a source of great conflict. Do you know the name of that Book?
 






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Ooooh a Zionist laugh in....great!

So tell me, which version of "Gods word" are you on about?.....lol
TPTB forbid the mention of God’s word in the “News and Current Events” section!

If you want to look into versions, your input would be more than welcome here:-

 






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TPTB forbid the mention of God’s word in the “News and Current Events” section!

If you want to look into versions, your input would be more than welcome here:-

Thanks for the invite but I'll have to pass Red. I'm currently investigating reports of a giant monster in a Scottish lake on another forum so don't have the time.

This thing is massive.....bigger than a bus by all accounts. Will report back here with any findings.
 






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"Palestinian factions have condemned the participation of Palestinian figures in a meeting organized by The Israeli Peace Parliament, a public unaffiliated forum whose members are former representatives of a variety of political parties and movements, including former ministers and members of the Knesset.

Friday’s meeting in Tel Aviv was held under the banner “Yes to Peace,” “No to Annexation” and “Two States for Two People.

This meeting is a smart move for the parties involved as it is a reality that Netanyahu has said that annexation is something that can be achieved with or without a peace agreement. However, without the recent peace agreement issued by the Trump administration standing behind his vision to annex the occupied territories, this could be like the straw that broke the camels back within the region. This is all the more reason to believe that the peace plan proposed by the Trump administration was a plan to annex this region rather than a genuine plan for peace. It was a superficial way of dealing with the conflict that could result because of this. It was more of a bribe to accept the annexation.

As a result, who participated in this peace meeting when it is clear that Netanyahu and the Trump administration are fixed on the idea of annexation? Kushner has even said that returning the occupied territory is not an option. In fact, the peace plan justifies the annexation by making a comparison between other historical examples of land conquest gained in conflict. It says that land gained in conquest is not often returned. So the parties involved in a meeting grounded in the agreement to discuss, "no to annexation," are not likely to include the same people involved in, and supporting, the recent peace plan issued by the Trump administration.

It is hard to get information on some of the participating Palestinian figures. However, former Palestinian Authority economy minister Bassem Khoury appears to be a Palestinian Christian residing in Jerusalem who has openly opposed Israeli restrictions on Easter activities.


Former PA health minister Sameeh al-Abed is credited with signing an agreement to help Palestinian youth in 2005.

The Ministry of Planning and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) signed Wednesday a memorandum of understanding for a program to increase the learning and earning opportunities of the Palestinian youth. The USAID Deputy Mission Director David Harden, the Deputy Minister of Planning Dr. Sameeh Al Abed, and Dr. Cairo Arafat attended the signing event.

Former PA local governance minister Hussein al-A’raj has also had an interest in the youth. In particular, he has commented on the possibility of peace between Israeli youth and Palestinian youth.

Hussein Abdallah al-Araj, Acting Mayor of Nablus and the Minister for Local Government noted that a group of ten Palestinian youths and ten others from Israel were meeting in Venice, but could not meet at home. He said, “I believe peace can be implemented only if we build confidence between our youth and the youth of our neighbor, Israeli youth.” Mr.Al-Araj said that Nablus had been closed for three years, and noted that a wall has been under construction nearby. “Walls don’t build peace, we learned that in Berlin ...face to face contact do,” he said.
And a real star at this meeting for anyone who has previously complained about the Palestinian Martyr's Fund or suggested that this was an organization that existed under the same umbrella as radical terrorist groups, is former PA prisoners affairs minister Ashraf al-Ajrami.
Ashraf al-Ajrami is a former prisoner himself who served 12 years in an Israeli prison and this isn't the first time that he has met with Israelis. As a supporter of the Geneva Initiative, which was an initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from 2003, he was invited to be a guest of honor by members of the Knesset that had also supported the Geneva initiative. This event took place in 2013.

MKs were up in arms Sunday over revelations that a PLO terrorist and former minister in the Palestinian Authority was due to be a guest of honor in Israel's Knesset Monday. Ashraf al-Ajrami is an active member of the Geneva Initiative, who spent 12 years in Israeli prisons for terror activities. He is set to come to the Knesset Monday as a guest of MKs active in the Geneva Initiative, including Labor head Shelly Yachimovich, Hatnu'a head Tzipi Livni, top Meretz MK Zehava Galon, and MKs from several parties.

In a special request to Knesset speaker Yuli Edelstein, Bayit Yehudi MK Zvulun Kalfa requested that al-Ajrami be barred from the Knesset building.

In a 2009 interview on PA television, al-Ajrami praised arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat as the “master of the resistance to Israel,” and went on to praise several terror attacks against Israel, in which 17 Israelis were murdered.

“It is unthinkable that someone who praises murderers should visit the Knesset as an honored guest,” Kalfa wrote in his letter to Edelstein. “Please do not let al-Ajrami into Israel's lawmaking body,” he added.

In a separate letter, the Legal Forum for the Land of Israel also asked Edelstein to keep al-Ajrami out of the Knesset. “Ashraf al-Ajrami, formerly the Minister for Prisoners in the PA, and who himself served 12 years in Israeli prisons for terror activities, said at a forum at Bar Ilan University that violence against IDF soldiers was legitimate.” In addition, the letter to Edelstein added, al-Ajrami praised Lebanese terrorist Samir Quntar for his murder of the Haran family in Nahariya, calling Quntar “a hero.” Among those killed in that terror attack was a four year old girl.

While it is often reported that groups adhering to the same beliefs all exist under the same banner, the Israeli left doesn't appear to see things the same way. This is even reflected in the peace plan. The plan indicated that many people like al-Ajrami would have been released from Israeli prisons if they had accepted the plan.

In most cases, when things are reported collectively, they cannot get away with the same biases that stem from personal opinions that can often be seen in individual interactions. This would be an example of this because when you objectively look at the context of this situation in Palestine, there are many people who appear to feel stuck and are responding to a perceived source of injustice with some degree of impatience.

Recognition of these acts resulting from a perceived sense of injustice contributes to the ability to differentiate between the people who were offered a peace plan and more radical groups.

And who are these Israelis that met with these former Palestinian leaders, which included people like al-Ajrami. Well, they were all members of the Labor party. Ehud Olmert who appeared in a joint press conference along with Abbas is also a member of the labor party and they have recently announced that they would restart peace talks where they had left off. So the labor party appears to have had much more success in working with the Palestinians towards a peace agreement.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met with former premier Ehud Olmert Tuesday and committed to restarting peace talks where they left off with the former Israeli leader over a decade ago, while rejecting a current US-backed peace effort.

Prior to this, Olmert had said that he believed he was very close to a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Abbas agrees with this according to an article from 2015.

The Palestinians seek all of the West Bank as part of an independent state, with east Jerusalem as their capital. Israel captured both areas in the 1967 Mideast war.

Olmert said he had offered a near-total withdrawal from the West Bank — proposing that Israel retain 6.3 percent of the territory in order to keep control of major Jewish settlements. He said he offered to compensate the Palestinians with Israeli land equivalent to 5.8 percent of the West Bank, along with a link to the Gaza Strip — another territory meant to be part of Palestine.

He also said he offered to withdraw from Arab neighborhoods of east Jerusalem and place the Old City — home to Jerusalem’s most sensitive holy sites — under international control. He described the offer to give up Israeli control of the Old City as the hardest day of his life.

Abbas said he supported the idea of territorial swaps, but that Olmert pressed him into agreeing to the plan without allowing him to study the proposed map.

“He showed me a map. He didn’t give me a map,” Abbas said. “He told me, ‘This is the map’ and took it away. I respected his point of view, but how can I sign on something that I didn’t receive?”

Olmert confirmed that he pressed Abbas to initial the offer that day.

And the factions that are said to oppose this meeting between former Israeli and Palestinian leaders include Hamas. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is another extremist group that is partnered with Hamas under the Alliance of Palestinian Forces.

The PLO’s Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is actually a Marxist-Leninist organization. You could say they are something like the Palestinian version of the Weather Underground and they specifically object to this meeting because they believe that Abbas is sponsoring it directly.

Friday’s meeting between Israelis and Palestinians was held under the direct sponsorship of the PA leadership and Mahmoud Abbas, the PFLP claimed.
And, Al-Ahrar (“The Free”), a group of dissident Fatah members in the Gaza Strip. So the snippet does indicate that there are factions that do not approve of this meeting rather than suggesting that the Palestinians are being directly betrayed by their own people. However, when you look further into the details of the politics behind this whole situation, this article reveals many of the nuances of the politics in this area.

The situation between Palestine and Israel is not simply a disagreement between an Islamic Palestine and a Jewish Israel. There are many political layers involved. In regard to this specific example, radical political groups within Palestine appear to be the ones who are opposing this peace meeting that is being held.

Finally, this article does not in any way, shape, or form suggest that people are growing tired of the Palestinian cause and are becoming willing to give in or give up on it.
 






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Nasrallah: Soleimani and Trump "ushered in confrontation with resistance"

The leader of the Lebanese terror group called for forming a “united resistance front” against the US across the globe, and urged an economic boycott against American products as a “new weapon” of confrontation by the group since Washington’s “point of weakness is its economy.”

“We have never seen an American regime like Trump’s,” he said. “When Trump kills the leaders in a public and brutal manner, he declares war and we are still slowly reacting.”

“The Israeli enemy has a major weakness which is the human losses; similarly, the Americans have their economic and financial situation as a point of fragility. Hezbollah hit the Israeli enemy at its weakness, so, likewise, we can concentrate on the US economic interests,” he was quoted by al-Manar as saying.

Nasrallah described the killing of Soleimani and Muhandis as the first of “two great crimes” committed by the Trump administration, with the second being the release of the Deal of the Century.

“The Deal of the Century is a Zionist plot to end Palestinian causes. “No people in the world would accept a proposed state like [this],” he said.“In fact, this is not a deal, it’s a dictation which its failure depends on the resistance of Islamic states.”

According to Nasrallah, Lebanese national interests -including the land and maritime borders- would also be negatively affected by the plan.

“The spirit of Trump’s plan will be decisive in the issue of demarcating the land and sea borders with occupied Palestine and will affect Lebanon’s oil wealth,” he said adding that the deal would also give Shebaa Farms, Kfarchouba Hills and Ghajar village to Israel.

In addition to the land borders, Israel and Lebanon have an unresolved maritime border dispute over a triangular area of sea of around 860 sq km that extends along several blocks for exploratory offshore drilling by Beirut.

Israel and Hezbollah fought a deadly 33-day war in 2006, which came to an end under UN Security Council Resolution 1701 which called for disarmament of Hezbollah, for withdrawal of the Israeli army from Lebanon, for the deployment of the Lebanese army and an enlarged UN force in the south.

Blaming Washington and Jerusalem for being behind all wars in the region, Nasrallah stressed that there “is no other option” but all-out resistance by the group and it’s supporters.

“We are not afraid of the US and we believe in our own capabilities and faith,” he said.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Nasrallah-Soleimani-and-Trump-ushered-in-confrontation-with-resistance-617828

Is a storm brewing?
 






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Yet Israel still controls gazan airspace, land border and coastal waters ergo Israel still occupies Gaza...
Gaza shares a border with Egypt. Do you consider Egypt to be an occupier of Gaza as well? Also, until 1967, Gaza was a part of Egypt. Was it under occupation then, and if Israel won Gaza from Egypt, would it be correct to say that it’s actually Egypt that is under occupation, and not Palestine?

and here's two things that Palestinians have done 'for the sake of peace' Arafat recognised the state of Israel and Abbas accepted a Palestinian state on the 22% of historic Palestine.
There is no such nation as “historic Palestine, and if you’re trying to promote a couple of guys who ordered terror attacks on civilians their entire lives as having done anything for peace, forgive me if I don’t take you seriously. If any Palestinian leader to this point had ever truly wanted peace with Israel, they would have it. You only have to look at the words and actions of Arafat and Abbas to see how laughable the idea is of either of them as peacemakers.

Can you tell me what Israel's borders are and can you tell me what Israel has done for peace, removing settlers from Gaza because of the cost doesn't count as a peace move...
Israel’s borders are whatever they say they are, at this point. However, they are willing to give up land that they feel is rightfully theirs, for the sake of peace, and they’ve proved it. Do you ever ask yourself why, if the Palestinians want peace, they refuse so steadfastly to do the same?

I’m very curious what you mean about Israel removing settlers from Gaza “because of the cost”. Can you explain?
 






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Ex-Israeli Diplomat Daniel Levy: 'Deal of The Century' Hits Every Israeli Propagandist Talking Point

Three lies within the first 30 seconds. The host, in a display that should make anyone scoff at the idea that RT is holding itself in the role of a non-partisan reporter of facts, tells us that (1) the international community has rejected Trump’s plan, (2) the PA has cut all ties with Israel, and (3) Gaza is currently under bombardment. None of these are true.

If these are the kinds of sources you get your information from, it’s no wonder you guys say the ignorant things you do, and hold the bizarre positions you hold. You feed your hate on a steady diet of lies. Do better.
 






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Yes, the two words that first come to most people's minds when you mention Islam are "peace" and "science". Muslims like to remind us of all the things that are expressly forbidden in the Quran, but clam up real quick when you ask them why Muslims keep breaking their own laws.

What does the Quran say about launching rockets at civilians? What does it say about suicide bombers who kill and maim innocent people? What does it say about stabbing a mother to death in her bed, and then cutting the head off her baby? That's what Muslims are doing right now to Jews in Israel, so what do the Muslims here have to say about that?
Why are you asking me questions you apparently already have answers for? You want me to explain why Muslims violate the morals of our faith? Likely the same reason other practitioners of various religions do the same.... they suck as people?
 






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