True Feminism - by a Bible-reading lady

[Robin]

You're welcome, and likewise thank you for your reply. Understood. If you look at the original 1611 kJV Bible translation, then you will see that the translators (all of them - because, they all cross-checked one another's work) chose the word "lightening" and not lightning.

I'm not personally a Greek expert. However, I can tell just from reading the sentence, that "lightning" does not fit in the sentence. Because, if you just read and focus on the sentence that Jesus is speaking:

"For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Lightning? Does lightning come out of the East? Why would Jesus say that unless He was not speaking of lightning but of the lightening (of the Sun, which comes out of the East as we all know; and shines even unto the West).

Could it be that the Greek word can be used for both? Whatever the case, looking at the sentence itself, that Jesus is speaking, as well as comparing it to the prophetic statement about Christ in Malachi (Christ is the "Sun of Righteousness") shows that (in order to make clear/fit with the meaning in English) "lightening" has to be the correct word for the verse in Matthew.

Perhaps the translators of the 1611 kJ A.V. also were aware of the prophecy in Malachi, but however they came to the conclusion, they agreed upon and used the word "lightening" (which fits both ways - syntax of the sentence, as well as prophetically - and therefore it makes sense) instead of lightning (which does not).

I don't know what their reasons were, but they chose it for the Authorised Version, and it makes sense.

Makes sense . . . But by cross-checking I meant using a concordance to find out where else the same word was used because that offers greater insight into linguistic context. The fact that The same Greek word was used to describe Satan's fall is what casts some doubt over that interpretation. The following verses also explain what will happen when Jesus comes back -it will be witnessed by everyone and he only returns once. Then there is also this in verse 42: "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." And "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." In verse 44. This is a clear instruction to believers, not unbelievers. Why would Jesus tell his followers to be ready for they would not know when he would return if he was to incarnate and have fellowship again on earth?

 

[Robin]

@Robin

If interested, then I would like to invite you to have a look at some of the info presented in this thread:

Twelve Tribes Of Israel Info & Research Thread
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/twelve-tribes-of-israel-info-research-thread.5480/

There are several videos (including about historical evidence), etc. if delving into the subject interests you.


P.S. A recent clue was discovering how in the Scots language, people will say "the day" instead of today, and "the night" instead of tonight, which is how you say it in Hebrew, as well as Arabic.

I'll look into it. As for the last bit, that is interesting but hardly surprising. There is overlap between several seemingly unrelated languages that cannot be explained by colonialism or significant historical contact. One of the phenomena that contribute toward a linguistics theory of some kind of proto language that fragmented and specialised into the different language families.

 

[Phithx]

Thanks for replying.

You're welcome.

So which text was the authorized version based on?

Whichever one it was, Father obviously had a hand in it.

Is there any proof of English being the language spoken of in Isaiah?

Corroborating evidence:
- Engel - ish is Hebrew for wild-ox - men. The English are the Tribe of Ephraim whose tribal standard was a bull i.e. the English bull dog.
- Has many other Hebrew based words; like Welsh and Gaelic have many Hebrew words. Wilson and Blackett have lots of evidence - interviewed on Richplanet.net
- Also 12 person juries, 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, etc. all signs of them being true Israel. The rest of the world loves metric.
- The Israelite money system is just like the British pound *. South Africa had pounds, shillings, and pence.
- Widest spoken language on Earth.
- Authorised 1611 king James Bible - the most published book on Earth.
- Probably more.

* English money has 12 pence in a shilling.
And there are 20 Shillings in a Pound. Shekel morphed over time to Shilling.
King of kings’ Bible JAHTruth.net/kofk-free/Bible Leviticus (3rd Book of The Law) 27:25 And all thy estimations shall be according to the shekel of The Sanctuary: twenty gerahs shall be the shekel.

Oh and I do have a question about the British being true Israel: A journey from Assyria to England would have been exceedingly difficult in ancient times, especially for a large number of people.

Probably a wrong conclusion. This very famous lady spoke about her journey from the Middle East to the British Isles in her about 535BC autobiography.

Geographically speaking, Afghan-Israelism and even Japanese-Israelism have a greater possibility of truth.

Yes, I know about those. The British have a history of siring with locals along their journeys Ezra 2:31, 2:59, 2:62, 6:21, 9:2, 10:13 Ester 8:17, Neh. 7:34 etc.

Further, why would Assyria, or later Babylon, or later Persia allow the Israelites to migrate outside of their territories?

First, king Cyrus of Babylon, by royal decree, allowed the 2 Tribed kingdom of Judah (Judah and Benjamin) remnant of 42,360 to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple in about 537BC.

Babylon had earlier conquered Assyria (Germanics) and the 10 Tribed Northern kingdom of Israel, who were captive there from 722BC, were freed, and migrated north and west; crossing the Caucus mountains, and the Assyrians, being conquered, went with them. That's why they're all known as Caucasians - came generally from the direction of the Caucuses, and why English has so many Germanic words in it.

Further, if the Israelites had the ability to migrate, why would they travel to Europe / England instead of back to their ancestral homeland?

Their land in Canaan was occupied by Assyrians: the Samaritans, and it must have been under Babylonian control anyway.

So, while it is possible that some Israelites migrated to Europe / England, it is highly unlikely that this occurred to any significant degree.

Evidence says otherwise. All the British Isles; northern Europe, Scandinavia, Baltics, Celtic Spain, Gibraltar, USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand - Abrahamic Covenant.

[Edit] And this happened in the exact sequence.[Edit]

King of kings Bible Genesis 8:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust ofthe earth", and thou shalt spread abroadto the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Australasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seedshall all the families of the earth be blessed.

I would be open to seeing any affirming geographical or historical evidence you could show me though?

The JAHTruth.net website is loaded with evidence.
Raymond E. Capt is a well-known author on ancient British Israel.
There's a British Israel Federtion http://www.britishisrael.co.uk/
If I find more I'll put them here.

 

[Robin]

You're welcome.



Whichever one it was, Father obviously had a hand in it.



Only corroborating evidence:
- Widest spoken language on Earth.
- Engel - ish is Hebrew for wild-ox - men. The English are the Tribe of Ephraim whose tribal standard was a bull i.e. the English bull dog.
- Has many other Hebrew based words; like Welsh and Gaelic have many Hebrew words. Wilson and Blackett have lots of evidence - interviewed on Richplanet.net mnostly
- Authorised 1611 king James Bible - the most published book on Earth.
- The Israelite money system is just like the British pound *.
- Probably more.

* English money has 12 pence in a shilling; also 12 person juries, 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, etc. All signs of them being true Israel.
And there are 20 Shillings in a Pound.
King of kings’ Bible JAHTruth.net/kofk-free/Bible Leviticus (3rd Book of The Law) 27:25 And all thy estimations shall be according to the shekel of The Sanctuary: twenty gerahs shall be the shekel.



Probably a wrong conclusion. This very famous lady spoke about her journey from the Middle East to the British Isles in her about 535BC autobiography.

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Yes, I know about those. The British have a history of siring with locals along their journeys Ezra 2:31, 2:59, 2:62, 6:21, 9:2, 10:13 Ester 8:17, Neh. 7:34



First king Cyrus of Babylon, by royal decree, allowed the 2 Tribed kingdom of Judah remnant of about 42,360 (Judah and Benjamin) to return to Jerusalem to build the temple in about 537BC.

Babylon had earlier conquered Assyria (Germanics) and the 10 Tribed Northern kingdom of Israel, who were captive there from 722BC, were freed, and migrated north and west; crossing the Caucus mountains, and the Assyrians, being conquered, went with them. That's why they're all known as Caucasians - came generally from the direction of the Caucuses, and why English has so many Germanic words in it.



Their land in Canaan was occupied by Assyrians: the Samaritans, and it must have been under Babylonian control anyway.



Evidence says otherwise. All the British Isles; northern Europe, Scandinavia, Baltics, Celtic Spain, Gibraltar, USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand - Abrahamic Covenant.

King of kings Bible Genesis 8:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust ofthe earth", and thou shalt spread abroadto the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Australasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seedshall all the families of the earth be blessed.



The JAHTruth.net website is loaded with evidence.
Raymond E. Capt is a well-known author on ancient British Israel.
There's a British Israel society - will have to look for it (I'll put it here).
If I find more I'll put them here.

I'll look at these but I will ask you to post evidence that does NOT come from the Jah truth website. Truth should not fear scrutiny so if there is weight to the theory of British Israelism then it should be easily corroborated by unrelated sources that are neutral on this view i.e. not written by British Israelism theorists or supporters. That's what I meant by historical or geographical evidence - as existing outside of Jah Truth. If you do find them, please link me.

 

[bible_student]

Makes sense . . . But by cross-checking I meant using a concordance to find out where else the same word was used because that offers greater insight into linguistic context. The fact that The same Greek word was used to describe Satan's fall is what casts some doubt over that interpretation. The following verses also explain what will happen when Jesus comes back -it will be witnessed by everyone and he only returns once. Then there is also this in verse 42: "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." And "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." In verse 44. This is a clear instruction to believers, not unbelievers. Why would Jesus tell his followers to be ready for they would not know when he would return if he was to incarnate and have fellowship again on earth?

It also says in Revelation that Christ would come as a thief.

A thief comes when people are not aware.

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh NOT for [him], and in an hour that he is not AWARE of,

It also says in Revelation that Christ will have a new name. In other words, on the Second Coming, Christ won't be called Jesus.

Rev. 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the communities; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden Manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

And then if you go back to the verses in Matthew again, and also read the next one, it says:

Matthew
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

As in Luke:

Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], there will the eagles be gathered together.

So, on the Lord's Second Coming, there first has to be a body (as mentioned in Luke and Matthew) with a new name (as it says in Revelation).

http://JAHTruth.net/emmau2.htm

Luke
17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].
17:24 For as the lightening, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of Man be in his day.
17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

If you want to know why, watch the movie "Brubaker", with Robert Redford.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080474

 

[bible_student]

If you do find them, please link me.

Hi again Robin, here is one a short video (unaffiliated) among many.

The Pillars of Hercules refer to the Straits of Gibraltar (not Malta).

Scotland is named after Scota their mother, who was a princess from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand. The Scots are descended from the same stock as the Northern Irish people of Judah/Zarah, who migrated from Ireland to Scotland.

 

[Robin]

It also says in Revelation that Christ would come as a thief.

A thief comes when people are not aware.

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh NOT for [him], and in an hour that he is not AWARE of,

It also says in Revelation that Christ will have a new name. In other words, on the Second Coming, Christ won't be called Jesus.

Rev. 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the communities; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden Manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

And then if you go back to the verses in Matthew again, and also read the next one, it says:

Matthew
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

As in Luke:

Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], there will the eagles be gathered together.

So, on the Lord's Second Coming, there first has to be a body (Luke, Matthew) with a new name (Revelation).

Luke
17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].
17:24 For as the lightening, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of Man be in his day.
17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

If you want to know why, watch the movie "Brubaker", with Robert Redford.

But the thief in the night metaphor is given to the believers as well -a surprise that they could not foresee. That doesn't make sense if Jesus had incarnated into another human body, not if he also is supposed to come back the way He left (on the clouds). I tend to be reserved about trying to interoperate anything from Revelations, especially considering the warning not to add or subtract anything. See, with Lot's story, God's judgement was sudden and swift -if your leader is Christ incarnate then that is not a sudden revelation.

Hi again Robin, here is one a short video (unaffiliated) among many.

P.S. The Pillars of Hercules refer to the Straits of Gibraltar, not Malta.

Thanks for sharing, will look at it.

 

[bible_student]

But the thief in the night metaphor is given to the believers as well -a surprise that they could not foresee. That doesn't make sense if Jesus had incarnated into another human body, not if he also is supposed to come back the way He left (on the clouds).

The coming back on the "Clouds" happens later, as it is yet a future Event.

I tend to be reserved about trying to interoperate anything from Revelations, especially considering the warning not to add or subtract anything. See, with Lot's story, God's judgement was sudden and swift -if your leader is Christ incarnate then that is not a sudden revelation.

It was, to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, because they were deaf to countless warnings, but to Lot and his family it was less sudden because they were warned first by the Angels that God sent to warn Lot that he had to leave. That's always how it works with God:

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord "I AM" will do nothing, until He hath revealed His secret [purpose] unto His servants the Prophets.

Also, Lot did not have to go somewhere ("see here, or see there") to be able to hear about it, the warning was sent to Lot. It came to him, via the Angel Messengers.

Thanks for sharing, will look at it.

You're welcome.

 

[Robin]

The coming back on the "Clouds" happens later, as it is yet a future Event.

It was, to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, because they were deaf to countless warnings, but to Lot and his family it was less sudden because they were warned first by the Angels that God sent to warn Lot that he had to leave. That's always how it works with God:

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord "I AM" will do nothing, until He hath revealed His secret [purpose] unto His servants the Prophets.

Also, Lot did not have to go somewhere ("see here, or see there") to be able to hear about it, the warning was sent to Lot. It came to him, via the Angel Messengers.

You're welcome.

But nowhere does scripture say there is more than one return of Christ. Is the plan for Jesus ascend again so he can come back down on clouds? I'm really not being facetious I'm genuinely asking.

But the difference is that scripture specifies that NO man, not even Jesus himself knows when the day will come. The warning also never mentions Lot or anyone else who had received the message - Jesus tells his followers themselves to always be ready because they do not know when he will return.

 

[Phithx]

I'll look at these but I will ask you to post evidence that does NOT come from the Jah truth website. Truth should not fear scrutiny so if there is weight to the theory of British Israelism then it should be easily corroborated by unrelated sources that are neutral on this view i.e. not written by British Israelism theorists or supporters. That's what I meant by historical or geographical evidence - as existing outside of Jah Truth. If you do find them, please link me.

I've given you some, but the website distills information from countless sources, and makes very simple sense of many things. Exactly as scripture says:

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

I spent my long life delving into very many things looking for the truth. I had about 300 books. When I found the site, and spoke to the Author, I knew with absolute certainty that I'd found the Truth. I literally threw the books away and kept one.

I was a trained professional. Not that that's necessarily a plus factor: could be a minus? But it's at least evidence that I applied my mind to things; and I knew that a very spiritually advanced person had produced what I read.

 

[Robin]

I've given you some, but the website distills information from countless sources, and makes very simple sense of many things. Exactly as scripture says:

James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

I spent my long life delving into very many things looking for the truth. I had about 300 books. When I found the site I knew with absolute certainty that I'd found the Truth. I literally threw the books away and kept one.

I was a trained professional. Not that that's necessarily a plus factor: could be a minus? But it's at least evidence that I applied my mind to things; and I knew that a very spiritually advanced person had produced what I read.

That's great -if you've done so much research could you in your own words explain your findings? Just a brief outline of the archeological and historical narratives you've found that link with scripture showing the British are the Israelites. Of course I'll still look at the links you've provided once I get time but I'd be interested in seeing if you can present your own accumulation of knowledge about this as it your conclusion presented itself before coming to the Jah Truth website. I'm particularly interested in how the British suffered Israel's curses as an identifier. Especially considering so many other groups claim to be the most Israelites as well.

 

[Phithx]

That's great -if you've done so much research could you in your own words explain your findings? Just a brief outline of the archeological and historical narratives you've found that link with scripture showing the British are the Israelites. Of course I'll still look at the links you've provided once I get time but I'd be interested in seeing if you can present your own accumulation of knowledge about this as it your conclusion presented itself before coming to the Jah Truth website. I'm particularly interested in how the British suffered Israel's curses as an identifier. Especially considering so many other groups claim to be the most Israelites as well.

Why would I have thrown away so many books? not buying the half-information, and there were many subjects other than British Israel.

But one of the better British-Israel sources, with archeology etc. is Raymond E. Capt https://www.artisanpublishers.com/books-capt-raymondall-work-c-932_28.html

I don't understand what you mean by this please "...Israel's curses as an identifier".

Do you have a class project or something like that? If you give me the topic heading that might help me to understand your question.

 

[bible_student]

But nowhere does scripture say there is more than one return of Christ. Is the plan for Jesus ascend again so he can come back down on clouds? I'm really not being facetious I'm genuinely asking.

According to scripture, it's all part of the same Second Coming.

But the difference is that scripture specifies that NO man, not even Jesus himself knows when the day will come.

Correct if you meant The Last Day.

Christ however did say when He would return. He gave the "Fig Tree" date to be on the lookout for, and said that when that occurs Summer will be near (even at the doors):

Matthew
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
24:32 Now learn a parable of the Fig tree (Jews); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (1948), ye know that Summer [is] nigh:
24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end) is near, [even] at the doors.
24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

(This generation born in the year of the Fig tree date (1948) shall not pass).

It's in the link that was posted previously.

The warning also never mentions Lot or anyone else who had received the message - Jesus tells his followers themselves to always be ready because they do not know when he will return.

The point was that the warning in Lot's day had come to Lot.

 

[Robin]

According to scripture, it's all part of the same Second Coming.

Alright, I'm trying to see this from your perspective . . . But how would that work? Jesus is here on earth in a new incarnation . . . . But one of these days on a date unbeknownst to everyone including himself he is to once once AGAIN ascend to heaven so he can return on the last day? Because that's the thing I find hard to reconcile to scripture. In order for him to descend the same way He ascended two thousand years ago, he would have to ascend again if he is here on earth right now. Nowhere is that mentioned.

Correct if you meant The Last Day.

Okay. But is he going to be taken up again then for his triumphant coming down?

Christ however did say when He would return. He gave the "Fig Tree" date to be on the lookout for, and said that when that occurs Summer will be near (even at the doors):

Matthew
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
24:32 Now learn a parable of the Fig tree (Jews); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (1948), ye know that Summer [is] nigh:
24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end) is near, [even] at the doors.
24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Well yes so we would know the signs when his coming was near. But he speaks of the glorious return, not a quiet earthly incarnation. Unless I missed something? Why did he not specify then that he would come back to earth first and spend time here before ascending once more to come down again and enact Matthew 24:27?

The point was that the warning in Lot's day had come to Lot.

Well yes but Jesus doesn't warn people to accept his coming earthly incarnation, rather his return will surprise many. His single return. He doesn't leave a word telling of him taking on another earthly form before that. The warning is that those caught unaware were not expecting his return, not that they didn't believe it.

 

[bible_student]

Alright, I'm trying to see this from your perspective . . . But how would that work? Jesus is here on earth in a new incarnation . . . . But one of these days on a date unbeknownst to everyone including himself he is to once once AGAIN ascend to heaven so he can return on the last day? Because that's the thing I find hard to reconcile to scripture. In order for him to descend the same way He ascended two thousand years ago, he would have to ascend again if he is here on earth right now. Nowhere is that mentioned.

Robin, please read for yourself what it says about this in TWH:

CHAPTER 12
Prince Michael/Christ comes again.
12:1 Jesus (the “Saviour”) told his disciples that he would come again, and, on his Second Coming,
he would not speak to them in proverbs, and parables, but would show them clearly, about God (John
16:25).
12:2 John the disciple was told, and it is written in his Revelation (10:7), that when Christ comes
again, the mysteries of God shall be finished, as God has promised His servants the Prophets.
12:3 He said that, JUST BEFORE the Last-Day, when everyone is due to be judged, on his
individual merits, and by whose mark he wears, he (Christ) would come again, and PUBLISH the
Truth of God (Gospel) to all nations of the world (Mark 13:10), and enlighten the whole world (Matt.
24:27 & Luke 17:24 & 2nd. Thessalonians 2:8).
12:4 Once this has been done, God will hold back the Last-Day, until Christ has sealed the mark of
God, into the foreheads of the people who are going to survive “The Fire” (Rev. 7:3), and give
mankind one LAST CHANCE, to mend its evil ways.
12:5 If the world does not mend its ways, and if EVERYONE doesn’t start to love his neighbour, as
much as himself, and keep the COMMANDMENTS, and DO God’s Will, and learn to be good,
then the LAST-DAY will come (Malachi 4:6).
12:6 Christ will then shed the human-animal-body, that he has been wearing, to get God’s truth
published, and will come as his REAL self, with his angels, and destroy all of the souls who wear
the mark of Satan, and Satan himself, with “The Fire” (Daniel 12:1).

(as well as in the rest of the Book, in which everything has been explained in detail, by The Lord).

Okay. But is he going to be taken up again then for his triumphant coming down?

As above.

Well yes so we would know the signs when his coming was near. But he speaks of the glorious return, not a quiet earthly incarnation. Unless I missed something?

Yes.

Why did he not specify then that he would come back to earth first and spend time here before ascending once more to come down again and enact Matthew 24:27?

It's there if you read it closely. I would suggest perhaps reading all of the passages in the Gospels that have to do with His Second Coming and then you have to start putting them together, along with other relevant passages from the Old Covenant, that also have to do with the Second Coming. Also read about Elijah, if you haven't. Please see Malachi 4.

You could also go over to Hannah Michaels' blog, which is called "Time to Think" and which has many articles about all of this, written from a female follower's perspective:
https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com

Well yes but Jesus doesn't warn people to accept his coming earthly incarnation, rather his return will surprise many. His single return. He doesn't leave a word telling of him taking on another earthly form before that.

Actually He did, by saying there would be a carcass (body) and that He would have a new name and come as a thief. Christ's appearance in the "Clouds" will be seen by everyone but it is not how a "thief" comes. I do appreciate your interest and don't mind writing these posts, but it is all explained in the Book, and (to do specifically with this topic we are now discussing) if you get that movie that was mentioned (Brubaker) and watch it, or, you can just read about it if you can't find it, then you should hopefully be able to see why it happens this way.

The warning is that those caught unaware were not expecting his return, not that they didn't believe it.

Which verse do you mean specifically, please?

 

[Phithx]

That's great -if you've done so much research could you in your own words explain your findings? Just a brief outline of the archeological and historical narratives you've found that link with scripture showing the British are the Israelites. Of course I'll still look at the links you've provided once I get time but I'd be interested in seeing if you can present your own accumulation of knowledge about this as it your conclusion presented itself before coming to the Jah Truth website. I'm particularly interested in how the British suffered Israel's curses as an identifier. Especially considering so many other groups claim to be the most Israelites as well.

Why would I have thrown away so many books? not buying the half-information, and there were many subjects other than British Israel.

But one of the better British-Israel sources, with archeology etc. is Raymond E. Capt https://www.artisanpublishers.com/books-capt-raymondall-work-c-932_28.html

I don't understand what you mean by this please "...Israel's curses as an identifier".

Do you have a class project or something like that? If you give me the topic heading that might help me to understand your question.

Okay, I think I understand what you mean by curses as an identifier?

If you read through the curses (below) it should be evident that Western nations are suffering these things in spades.

The rest of the world generally always broke God's Law - gentiles, but Western British Israel joined them, and now they suffer the same things; maybe worse now, because they had a higher standard to live by, and they will lose world war III.

Deuteronomy
28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the "I AM" thy God, to observe to do all His Commandments and His Statutes which I command thee this day; that ALL THESE CURSES [of the Law] shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
28:16 Cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the city, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the field.
28:17 Cursed [shall be] thy basket and thy store.
28:18 Cursed [shall be] the fruit of thy body (Eno. 96:14), and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
28:19 Cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou comest in, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou goest out.
28:20 The "I AM" shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken Me.
28:21 The "I AM" shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until He have consumed thee from off the land, where thou goest to possess it.
28:22 The "I AM" shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
28:23 And thy heaven that [is] over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee [shall be] [like] iron.
28:24 The "I AM" shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
28:25 The "I AM" shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
28:26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall scare [them] away.
28:27 The "I AM" will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the hemorrhoids, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28:28 The "I AM" shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and with heart-attack:
28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save [thee].
28:30 Thou shalt marry a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
28:31 Thine ox [shall be] slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass [shall be] violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep [shall be] given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue [them].
28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters [shall be] given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail [with longing] for them all the day long: and [there shall be] no might in thine hand.
28:33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always:
28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
28:35 The "I AM" shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
28:36 The "I AM" shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations where the "I AM" shall lead thee.
28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather [but] little in; for the locust shall consume it.
28:39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress [them], but shalt neither drink [of] the wine, nor gather [the grapes]; for the worms shall eat them.
28:40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint [thyself] with the oil; for thine olive shall cast [his fruit].
28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
28:42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
28:43 The stranger that [is] within thy borders shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the "I AM" thy God, to keep His Commandments and His Statutes which He commanded thee:
28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

 

[A Freeman]

Before the Second Coming of Christ can be properly understood, it's important to understand Who and What Jesus was and Who and What Christ is.

Jesus was the MORTAL Son of Man, i.e. the human son of the virgin body of Mary, and thus OF this world.

Christ is the IMMORTAL Spirit-Being Who is the Son of God (His Firstborn Son - Rom. 8:29, Col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14) and thus NOT OF THIS WORLD (John 17:5, 18:36).

When Christ incarnated Jesus (John 1:14), He became the human+Being we know as Jesus+Christ.

During Christ's Second Coming, He will incarnate a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - see Gen. 49:10, 22-26) with a new name (see Christ's Revelation about His New Name in the verses below).

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the communities; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden Manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).

So with the above in mind, please have a look at the following verses again from Matthew 24, and their corresponding notes.

24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

The Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2) and Light of the world (John 8:3 Koks, John 8:12 KJV) will physically be here in a new body with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12), to enlighten those who hear His voice (John 10:3, 14-16) with the long-awaited truth about the mystery of God, and the real reason for human life here on planet Earth (Rev. 10:7-10).

24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The carcase is the human body (with a NEW NAME – Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12) being used by Christ DURING His Second Coming which, once His Mission has been completed (Matt. 24:14, Mark 13:10), He will shed that body to lead His Army (the Heavenly Host/Sabaoth, aka "the eagles”) to REAP THE EARTH.

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:

The “sun”, “moon”, “stars” and “heavens” are Biblical code-words.

SUN: is the Israelite Throne of David (Psalm 89:36), which is the British Throne.

MOON: reflects the light of the SUN. The British Commonwealth reflects the light and power of the British Throne, just like the moon does with the sun.

STARS of heaven: the U.S.A., with 50 on their flag, the “star-spangled banner”, etc..

HEAVENS: political systems, which are above the “mountains” (governments - Micah 4:1).

24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The reason ALL of the tribes of the earth shall mourn (and wail - Rev. 1:7) is because when they see Christ coming in the “Clouds” with His Army to gather the “Elect” and to REAP THE EARTH, everyone will know it is too late to repent or do anything to change their fate.

So there is ONE Second Coming, with Christ in a new body and with a new name, at a time when most people won't be expecting Him to come (like a "thief in the night" - 1 Thess. 5:2, 2 Pet. 3:10, Rev. 16:15), because they are spiritually asleep. No one sees a thief that comes in the night WHILE THEY'RE ASLEEP. It is only discovered later that the thief has come, AFTER the thief has taken what the thief came for (in this case "the Elect") and has left.

The Second Coming will then culminate with Christ shedding the body He's been using (Matt. 24:28) to complete His Mission, to THEN be seen by everyone "coming in the 'Clouds' of heaven with power and great glory".

 

[A Freeman]

Carrying on in Matthew 24, Christ actually gives us the year of His Return as well.

24:32 Now learn a parable of the Fig tree (Jews); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (1948), ye know that Summer [is] nigh:
24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end) is near, [even] at the doors.
24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The “Fig-Tree” symbolizes the “Jews” (Jer. 24:5), which is why Christ cursed the fig-tree and it withered away (Matt. 21:19) before entering Jerusalem where the Jews were going to have Him crucified and be punished for it (Matt. 27:25).

The Fig Tree that was cursed and withered before the disciples eyes because it brought forth no fruit, unto God, was the Jews. The "Fig Tree" is the symbol of the Jews in Scripture. Jesus cursed the Fig Tree and it withered away, symbolizing what was going to happen to the Jews for rejecting their rightful King.

The Jews were kicked out of Palestine, had no homeland and were persecuted for 2000 years as God's punishment for rejecting, persecuting and murdering their Rightful King and rejecting the New Covenant referred to in Ezekiel 34, culminating in the Holocaust under Adolf Hitler (the Anti-Christ - 666 - who was blessed by the Pope and called "the envoy of God").

The Fig Tree then began to awaken from its withered state and began to put forth new shoots in Palestine on 22/4/1948 when the Jewish State in Israel was set up and David Ben-Gurion announced in the Museum Hall in Tel-Aviv to the world, under the umbrella of the United Nations, that the Jews had established a Jewish State in the land of Israel on 14th May 1948. From that year the desolate, cursed land began, through irrigation, to flourish and put forth new shoots, with immigration of Jews from all over the world, the "Fig Tree" revived and put forth new shoots, but will never bear fruit (for God - Matthew 21:19).

 

[sickgirl15]

Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their [husband's] children,2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, KEEPERS AT HOME, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.Essential reading: The Way home or face The Fire http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

Sunday, 1 June 2014
The taming of the Shrew

Who REALLY wears the pants in the house, Ladies?

Hmmm, this is quite a sensitive topic for most women; however I thought I’d share with you my experience on being a dominant one , instead of being a Lady.

Life for me was difficult as a child, as my step-father was an alcoholic, and I hardly saw my real father so I had lacked proper discipline. My mom was either at work or cleaning the house [my 2 other siblings and I did help her], but she was understandably tired and irritated most of the time, so there was no time for her to teach us Love.

Both my husband and I were raised in a world that taught that men and women are equal; however, my mother, with 2 miserable marriage experiences taught me from both her words and actions that men were stupid and worthless.

I met my husband and we got married. Sadly, I carried the curse of “all men are worthless” into my marriage, by continuously criticizing the credibility of every decision that my husband made.

Continue reading at https://truefeminists.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-taming-of-shrew.html

Hi, It would be extremely helpful if you googled the true meaning of “Feminism.” Women got together in the 1960’s to form the “Feminist movement” in response to being sick and tired of being treated as second class citizens by men in the United States of America’s. Feminists desire to be treated as equals to our male counterparts,not as inferior, submissive, weak, incapable human beings. I personally do NOT believe in living by “what the Bible says?” and think it’s sexist and homophobic, and was written by a heterosexual MAN FOR heterosexual men. Not every single woman on this planet dreams of being a full-time “dutiful” (hahaaa)!! housewife, a mother to who knows how many children, and fully dependent financially on a man. And not every single man desires to find a passive and submissive wife (slave) to control and to have his kids, cook and clean, and to “obey” him! Who said that men were superior to women? YOU have lots of horrible, internalized self hatred if you believe all your good for as a female is to be bossed around by a man, stay home and cook and clean, and be a human baby machine, and be available for sex whenever your “Master” wants it. Us women do NOT have to limit ourselves any longer, and can live the lifestyle of OUR CHOICE. This is the year 2019, and us women have more life choices, and freedoms than ever. Posting an extremely oppressing and pathetic writing was absolutely ridiculous, and I can’t believe you actually believe all your good for as a woman is to live by what “the Bible” says us women “should” do. Lame. You should be empowering other women, not keeping us down; unless of course, your a MAN and posted this garbage!!

 

[Robin]

Robin, please read for yourself what it says about this in TWH:

CHAPTER 12
Prince Michael/Christ comes again.
12:1 Jesus (the “Saviour”) told his disciples that he would come again, and, on his Second Coming,
he would not speak to them in proverbs, and parables, but would show them clearly, about God (John
16:25).
12:2 John the disciple was told, and it is written in his Revelation (10:7), that when Christ comes
again, the mysteries of God shall be finished, as God has promised His servants the Prophets.
12:3 He said that, JUST BEFORE the Last-Day, when everyone is due to be judged, on his
individual merits, and by whose mark he wears, he (Christ) would come again, and PUBLISH the
Truth of God (Gospel) to all nations of the world (Mark 13:10), and enlighten the whole world (Matt.
24:27 & Luke 17:24 & 2nd. Thessalonians 2:8).
12:4 Once this has been done, God will hold back the Last-Day, until Christ has sealed the mark of
God, into the foreheads of the people who are going to survive “The Fire” (Rev. 7:3), and give
mankind one LAST CHANCE, to mend its evil ways.
12:5 If the world does not mend its ways, and if EVERYONE doesn’t start to love his neighbour, as
much as himself, and keep the COMMANDMENTS, and DO God’s Will, and learn to be good,
then the LAST-DAY will come (Malachi 4:6).
12:6 Christ will then shed the human-animal-body, that he has been wearing, to get God’s truth
published, and will come as his REAL self, with his angels, and destroy all of the souls who wear
the mark of Satan, and Satan himself, with “The Fire” (Daniel 12:1).

(as well as in the rest of the Book, in which everything has been explained in detail, by The Lord).

But the thing is that John 16, Jesus is preparing his disciples for his coming persecution and crucifixion. If what he'd said in verse 25 was the last thing he'd said to his disciples before being taken up to be with his father then yes, I could understand this was not the last interaction he would have with them. Coming back after his resurrection is when he gives them the great commission and indeed does explain "many more things with parables".

As above.

It's there if you read it closely. I would suggest perhaps reading all of the passages in the Gospels that have to do with His Second Coming and then you have to start putting them together, along with other relevant passages from the Old Covenant, that also have to do with the Second Coming. Also read about Elijah, if you haven't. Please see Malachi 4.

What is your take on this scripture then:

"And after he had said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received him out of their sight. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while he was departing, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them; and they also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven" (Acts 1:9-11).
This does not mention an earthly incarnation at all -instead that Jesus would come i the same way they saw him go up. What do you make of that?

Actually He did, by saying there would be a carcass (body) and that He would have a new name and come as a thief. Christ's appearance in the "Clouds" will be seen by everyone but it is not how a "thief" comes. I do appreciate your interest and don't mind writing these posts, but it is all explained in the Book, and (to do specifically with this topic we are now discussing) if you get that movie that was mentioned (Brubaker) and watch it, or, you can just read about it if you can't find it, then you should hopefully be able to see why it happens this way.

But why do you make the inference that the carcass means he sheds his earthly flesh? It's also a metaphor for reading signs -gathering birds of prey always mean there is a carcass nearby -its been used before similarly to the reading of the seasons to determine an event.

Which verse do you mean specifically, please?

Matthew 24:38-39
"For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

Jesus's return, not the final day of judgment. People won't know when he is my back which is y he warns his followers to be ready at all times -why tell them to be ready of he was going to come back and prepare them again anyway?