I have no problem when people criticise any religion but there is also a degree of heirarchy where, someone may have zero credibility..
and in this case...what has been established very perfectly in time ive been on this forum is just how poorly christians understand and adhere to the Word of God in their own scripture. How they pick and choose parts without grasping the overall meaning and how they've been exposed in their judgement against islam from every angle has been clear to see.
Trust me there is not an angle you can come from i haven't already thought of or covered or answered on this forum already.
On top of all that most here diss catholicism whilst they are still half catholic. I have probably read more christian material than christians here. One of the most important men in the later establishment of the Nicene Creed was St Augustine...and perhaps you should read his book on the trinity where he says the trinitarian doctrine comes from the catholic church!!
Here is an excerpt from Revelation 12
from any muslim reading who doesn't know, this chapter talks about how satan will target the bloodline/descendants of one particular woman. Some say the woman is Sarah and her offspring, some have said mary and her offspring refers to 'churches'
eitherway it ends in this manner
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12&version=NIV
17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
Now, as a muslim ive stuck my neck out very often to defend Paul's teachings.
Paul essentially taught against the mosaic law in a context of having 'grace' from the law of Moses through the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
However obviously christians have failed to consider the bigger picture of these teachings
-the context of Paul's teachings were relevant because the religion was being passed from jew to gentile. The laws relevant to the jewish nation are obviously not relevant to the gentiles.
So in that time, the Gentiles who adopted christianity were given the same status as the pre-moses Israelites who had lived by faith and not by laws.
Makes perfect sense in this light.
Except, show me a single christian who's ever even considered the point that IF the Israelites from Abraham to Moses were without the law and living by faith, God saw fit to give them a law, was this a backward step or a forward step?
Why was the law of Moses given? answer, because those israelites who'd lived in egypt for 400 years were bloody pagan's for God sake. How many even knew who God was? think.......
On top of that Paul also argued that the purpose of God's law through Moses was not to 'conceal sin but to reveal the depths of sin so God's GRACE could be revealed'
get it? God wanted people to experience the pain of failing God's law and thus experiencing a depth of darkness previously unknown.
-Paul also argued that the jews at the time of Jesus were deeply sinful. The physical symbol of circumcision, which symbolises the struggle against the flesh, had failed since people were inherently sinful. Therefore, he argued that the 'circumcision is DEAD!!!'
Essentially this means God's symbol given to Abraham all the way to Jesus (who was also circumcised) was a dead symbol due to it's literal failure.
ok, great.....and the new symbol was the crucifixion which didn't merely symbolise the struggle against the flesh, but it's DEATH.
as per
John 3
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
(No muslim, should ever be opposed to this, if they understand it). The cross was a symbol of the death of the flesh/carnal nature. Brilliant, so this means the new christians were given a powerful new symbol that was far greater than the circumcision. Through this symbol they could truely experience the death of their carnal nature and thus truely experience being 'born again'
Again, no muslim should ever be against this.
So here's my response
just as the Israelites lived under faith and God's grace with the symbol of the circumcision initially, the symbol died and people lost their belief.
So who the hell ever claimed the cross was an eternally protected symbol? I don't find it anywhere in the new testament that christianity itself was a protected religion just because it came from Jesus. Instead Jesus made it very cleary that what had been given was very very little. He told his disciples they could not bear to hear the full truth. Paul's teachings were relevant for that type of context and hence Christians were a lot like pre-Moses Israelites.
it goes without saying, absolutely 1000% the christians have the poorest beliefs of all today. They scarcely understand a thing. Christianity became roman and essentially the christians are pagan and do not evenhold the balance between God's Trancendence and Immanence, nor do they realise where one begins and the other ends.
the cross became a symbol of roman conquest and imperialism (hence the crusades), long story short, the cross is dead!!
Christianity is dead!!
and this has been true for at least 1600 years.
I have never met a christian who was dead to the flesh and hence 'born again;
we have the OP claiming to be born again.
let me explain something, if the flesh dies, a person's mind and heart are capable of reflecting the pure light of God through the intellect and hence whatever they say is wisdom.
the fact the OP comes out with some of the dumbest statements inc where it deals with prophecy (which i answered him on) it's pretty clear the dude is not born again.
So it's natural just like John of Patmos tried to worship an angel, the christians fell into polythiesm. Proving Jesus true, they were not capable of knowing the full truth and it is clear from the christians on this board, most will never understand the whole truth of God's Trancendence and Immanence.
So just as God chose to send Moses AS, God chose to send Mohammad SAW and in the context, a gentile.
This was also done to perfectly fulfill the promise God gave to Hagar about Ismael, but it certainly fulfilled John 16...because islam is from the holy spirit, the Quran says so.
So in a sense now, the gentiles through islam are a lot like the jews pre-Jesus..
and it all stands to reason that we await the second coming of Jesus!!
and for anyone offended or dismissive thinking islam is merely a works based religion..
if only you knew just how deep islam really goes, if you study it.
it's such a large religion with a vast body of work that we muslims can't even summarise the extent of things islam connects with in comparison to christianity.
the concept of the death of the carnal nature IS the same as martydom in islam!!
'dying for the sake of Allah'
it doesn'tmerely mean dying to establish some justice on earth, but dying by giving up all your attachments to live life only to accomplish Allah's.
islam is a balance of both works and faith..it combines elements of judaism and christianity.
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17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
The offspring believe in Jesus which means they're Christian right? yet they keep God's commandments which means WORKS which means they are not christian!!
They can't be jews because jews don't believe in Jesus.
They can't be messianic jews because they are not 'targetted'
they can only be muslims who descend from Sarah...whether they are ethnic jews or israelites/lost tribes...they are muslim today.
It's kind of funny when you look at palestinians, they are 'arab' in terms of their identity yet they share blood with jews, in fact they descend from jews and it stands to reason they're the ones being massacred regularly.
As for the value of God's law, as i said, God gave the law of Moses, a christian who argues against shariah is like an israelite arguing against Moses when the law was revealed!!