There Should Be Peace Between Muslims and Christians

[JoChris]

As I see it, doing a brief survey, most religions and political ideologies believe in killing (or otherwise eliminating) their apostates, especially if the apostasy includes sedition and espionage. Apparently, some strains of Christianity believe in killing their apostates (and a few witches), but now that what were formerly the Christian nations of Christendom have been largely replaced, thanks to the tireless work of Freemasons, Rationalists and Deists, by secular (pagan: Greco-Roman) republics, Christians can no longer do the beheading directly, in the public squares, so they are waiting for Jesus to give the order ...

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."​

(Luke 19:27)​

If you can show any examples of NON Catholics torturing heretics/ apostates for their unbelief in their doctrines please show them.

 

[DesertRose]

Exactly. It took a great deal of effort, over a few centuries, but the fangs and claws were removed from the Christian tiger and now it's a big, lovable pussycat (for the most part).

nice image.
It is very tolerant to the extent that the Satanists took over unfortunately and that is while they are pointing to the Muslim bogeymen who control zilch. Also one day in the not too distant future I believe they will realize this mistake.


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Luciferianism: A Secular Look At A Destructive Globalist Belief System
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Excerpt:
"It is sometimes difficult to identify the true “sacraments” behind luciferianism because, for one, luciferians refuse to admit that the system is a religion at all. They prefer to call it a philosophy or methodology, at least in public. The system also seems to encourage active disinformation in order to dissuade or mislead non-adherents. The historic term for this religious secrecy is “occultism”. I would call it “elitism”."
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[Serveto]

If you can show any examples of NON Catholics torturing heretics/ apostates for their unbelief in their doctrines please show them.

It has little to do with the content of my post, but if you want an example of non-Catholics killing apostates, come to the USA and take a tour of Salem, Massachusetts, and learn of the witch trials. I don't think there was a Catholic in sight. Catholics were in "Mary"land. Furthermore, and as I said, you Christians are no longer able to kill each other for apostasy, and that in large part because you live in secular republics, which are based on pagan Greco-Roman models, and they permit freedom of religion. America is an example and was one of the first.

Now, if you can show me whether, in the future, it will be Protestants or Catholics obeying Jesus' orders and killing apostates, please do ...

"“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”
(Luke 19:27)​

 

[JoChris]

Christians cannot be aligned with any faith who denies the Trinity.

Islam says that we are unbelievers because of that belief.
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Qur'an_on_non-Muslims

 

[Artful Revealer]

What?!

No fair and objective reading of my words would imply that. Nothing remotely like that is contained in my words. It's not cool to imagine things into my words- especially something as serious as that. That is nowhere within what I said and in terms of the English language, in no way is that implied grammatically or otherwise. That is not cool to even suggest that.

Why Christians and Muslims? Why not Jews, atheists, Buddhists or others? Is it because you want Christians to sit back and smoke the peace pipe while their countries become Islamized?

 

[JoChris]

It has little to do with the content of my post, but if you want an example of non-Catholics killing apostates, come to the USA and take a tour of Salem, Massachusetts, and learn of the witch trials. I don't think there was a Catholic in sight. Catholics were in "Mary"land. Furthermore, and as I said, you Christians are no longer able to kill each other for apostasy, and that in large part because you live in secular republics, which are based on pagan Greco-Roman models, and they permit freedom of religion. America is an example and was one of the first.

Now, if you can show me whether, in the future, it will be Protestants or Catholics obeying Jesus' orders and killing apostates, please do ...

"“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”​

(Luke 19:27)​

I forgot about that ugly patch of USA's history.
Did they get justification for the murder of apostates/ witches from the bible itself?

Please don't quote cult-style. Remember that single verse is the concluding sentence of a parable. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19:12-27&version=KJV

 

[Serveto]

Why Christians and Muslims? Why not Jews, atheists, Buddhists or others? Is it because you want Christians to sit back and smoke the peace pipe while their countries become Islamized?

Since when have Christians been smoking a peace pipe? Look into how much support G.W. Bush got from the Christian Zionists for his invasion of Iraq, which he saw as "Gog and Magog" at work.

Welcome back, by the way.

 

[Serveto]

I forgot about that ugly patch of USA's history.
Did they get justification for the murder of apostates/ witches from the bible itself?

I think so. Old Testament, no doubt. But I have noticed that plenty of Christians don't know quite when the Old Testament is thought to end and the New Testament start.

Please don't quote cult-style. Remember that single verse is the concluding sentence of a parable. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19:12-27&version=KJV

I'm not a member of any cult. And, in any case, as I see it, the life-span of a religion is this: it is born a cult, grows into a religion, and convalesces as mythology . Is Jesus going to kill those who would not be reigned over, or is he not? Is it literal or is it figurative? You answer, please.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Don't say that I thought you were the colonel of nuance.
Surely you can see that every system is not cut and dried and that throughout the epochs we have all had to deal with the forces of laxity and the forces of extremism.
During the Spanish inquistion they accused the Muslim system of laxity and tolerance! Times change.

Look at socialism it manifests itself differently in different eras and different societies. You will find it manifesting one way in Europe and is different than say China who consider themselves socialist.

I think that we have to guard Islam from both laxity and from rigidity/extremism.
There are no cut and dried hard rules like some Christians wish hence they will call our attempt to explain juristic differences as deception Sorry we can not give you a yes/no answer because different Islamic empires and societies manifested these juristic differences.

The Prophet peace be upon us warned about going to extremes in faith.
I am saddened that some regimes and some people try to use any religion to further wrong aims.
However if someone is fair minded they can realize that Islam is a belief system and that they should not conflate it with the actions of some people.
Ultimately, the most important point about this path is:
That differences of opinion over juristic matters do not negate the knowledge of God in the Quran.


2:256
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (Falsehood)and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

Well here's some nuance, ( ) I would have rather lived in an Islamic society than the Christian Dark Ages or the post-reformation nightmare.

As an American I am far more worried about Christian fundamentalists and every Hijab-wearing Muslim woman I've know here is far more tolerant than MAGA-hat wearing doofuses.

Still, I think it's important to recognize that Islamic Terror kills tens of thousands a people a year ( interesting enough in Europe its often committed by 1st or 2nd generation young men, rather than immigrants, which probably speaks that it's easy to radicalize people in tough economic situations ). There are also huge problems with honor killings, acid attacks and child-marriage and sectarian violence, oppression of women. ( I'm also well aware of the sexual abuse problems within Christianity as my recent ignored posts in the pedogate thread attest, it isn't just Catholics ) It doesn't help that you have idiots like the OP calling for theocracy either.

Religion is a private not a public matter and I do not believe that it should govern the legal system.

 

[mecca]

Thank God for secularism

lol

 

[DesertRose]

I would have rather lived in an Islamic society than the Christian Dark Ages or the post-reformation nightmare.

Okay we ran some good systems back then.

and every Hijab-wearing Muslim woman

Good to know.
Why not agree that all systems can at different times/eras manifest the worst and the best of humans.
That any system from theocracy to monarchy to democracy or socialism is only as good as the people that run it.
Are they true to their ideals?
........ or have they been corrupted.
I think that the US constitution is now not being adhered to by corrupt individuals.
Edit: For myself I have come to the conclusion of the necessity of morality/ethics in all spheres of life (from finance to politics.)
Otherwise we will have greedy, immoral people run governance and finance at the expense of other people, environment, and even animals.

 

[Etagloc]

Christians cannot be aligned with any faith who denies the Trinity.

Islam says that we are unbelievers because of that belief.
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Qur'an_on_non-Muslims

Being civil with people isn't being aligned with them.

 

[Etagloc]

Why Christians and Muslims? Why not Jews, atheists, Buddhists or others? Is it because you want Christians to sit back and smoke the peace pipe while their countries become Islamized?

Has there been a civil war on this board between Muslims and Buddhists on this board that I am not aware of?

And how much exactly is the Muslim percentage of these Christian countries? If I'm not mistaken, The United States is less than 1% Muslim. Maybe if the Muslims really have a bunch of babies they can reach 2% in the US. So which Western countries exactly are being Islamized and what is the actual percentage who are Muslim in those countries? I would like to see the statistics. I hear all this "migrant invasion" rhetoric and then I look at the European countries and in some cases Muslims are like a whopping 5%. I fail to see how "Islamization" is taking place. When France announces it will chop the hands off thieves, I will perhaps take the "Islamization" talk seriously.

 

[Etagloc]

Well here's some nuance, ( ) I would have rather lived in an Islamic society than the Christian Dark Ages or the post-reformation nightmare.

As an American I am far more worried about Christian fundamentalists and every Hijab-wearing Muslim woman I've know here is far more tolerant than MAGA-hat wearing doofuses.

Still, I think it's important to recognize that Islamic Terror kills tens of thousands a people a year ( interesting enough in Europe its often committed by 1st or 2nd generation young men, rather than immigrants, which probably speaks that it's easy to radicalize people in tough economic situations ). There are also huge problems with honor killings, acid attacks and child-marriage and sectarian violence, oppression of women. ( I'm also well aware of the sexual abuse problems within Christianity as my recent ignored posts in the pedogate thread attest, it isn't just Catholics ) It doesn't help that you have idiots like the OP calling for theocracy either.

Religion is a private not a public matter and I do not believe that it should govern the legal system.

I don't think I've called for a theocracy. Just expressed that I favor it. I'm entitled to my view. As I've said before, I don't care what some powdered wig-wearing "Enlightenment" philosophers thought. You would be horrified if you actually woke up under what you yourself favor. I don't imagine you'd be such a Trotsky fan if you had actually lived under the Bolsheviks. And you still are in denial of the well-documented fact that they were backed by Wall Street bankers, making you actually a pawn of the NWO agenda.

 

[Etagloc]

Okay we ran some good systems back then.

Good to know.
Why not agree that all systems can at different times/eras manifest the worst and the best of humans.
That any system from theocracy to monarchy to democracy or socialism is only as good as the people that run it.
Are they true to their ideals?
........ or have they been corrupted.
I think that the US constitution is now not being adhered to by corrupt individuals.

Mmm I think the system itself has an influence.

For example, television is different than radio. Radio is different than a magazine. A magazine is different than a book.

The medium is the message. So the medium matters.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Since when have Christians been smoking a peace pipe? Look into how much support G.W. Bush got from the Christian Zionists for his invasion of Iraq, which he saw as "Gog and Magog" at work.

In the dog pit winner takes all. Two strong well-fed pitbulls named Esau and Ishmael, chests of iron, paws of steel and jaws with cutting edge razor blades, filled with bloodthirst for one another after years of antagonisation, go after each other's throat, blood gushing everywhere, in the most vicious dog fight the world has ever seen. The fight goes on forever, no speck of fur has not been painted red, until at last one pitbull caves and remains lifeless on the ground, the victorious pitbull's jaw tightly around his neck. The wounds however are to severe and the loss of blood too great. The fight cost him everything. He too must admit defeat against the claws of death and draws his last breath. But from the shadows of the pit, a third dog appears crawling over the pitbull corpses, a small chihuahua called Jacob. His physical inferiority turned out to be his greatest strength, able to remain ignored and hidden while the others did the job for him. Jacob stands victorious and is proclaimed the King of Dogs and he did not even had to break a sweat or shed a drop of blood.

It is Zionism that caused and decided the Iraq invasion, not Christianity.

And Islamic countries are not undergoing forced Christianisation against the will of the majority.

Welcome back, by the way.

Thanks. Happy to see you're still around.

 

[DesertRose]

The medium is the message. So the medium matters.

it is the message that counts not the image.
How about we wrap this up.
leaving this thread. We can get along with those who push for peace whether Jewish, Christian Muslim or of other faiths.
Promise Of Prophet Of Islam Muhammad PBUH to Christians Everywhere

 

[Artful Revealer]

And how much exactly is the Muslim percentage of these Christian countries? If I'm not mistaken, The United States is less than 1% Muslim. Maybe if the Muslims really have a bunch of babies they can reach 2% in the US. So which Western countries exactly are being Islamized and what is the actual percentage who are Muslim in those countries? I would like to see the statistics. I hear all this "migrant invasion" rhetoric and then I look at the European countries and in some cases Muslims are like a whopping 5%. I fail to see how "Islamization" is taking place. When France announces it will chop the hands off thieves, I will perhaps take the "Islamization" talk seriously.

There's enough information on the web on this issue. It's a basic math exercise based on recent demographic growth, net migration and fertility numbers. And I'm evidently talking about Europe. The United States' demographic challenge is Hispanic/Latin rather then Islamic.

Has there been a civil war on this board between Muslims and Buddhists on this board that I am not aware of?

Ah. Would you consider that both Islam and Christianity make a claim on Truth?

 

[Etagloc]

There's enough information on the web on this issue. It's a basic math exercise based on recent demographic growth, net migration and fertility numbers. And I'm evidently talking about Europe. The United States' demographic challenge is Hispanic/Latin rather then Islamic.

Okay, well if you can't show any actual statistics showing Islam is taking over Europe.... I have no reason to believe you. I have looked at the statistics myself. I think it was something like maybe 30 years from now France will have like 10% Muslims or something. You brought it up so it would make sense for you to provide the statistics. Were the statistics really on your side, I think you'd be jumping to provide the statistics.

Okay so- I have gone ahead and googled.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171201/how-frances-muslim-population-will-grow-in-the-future

According to what Pew is estimating, Muslims might be about 12% or 17% (based on different scenarios) of France's population in 2050. Hardly "Islamization". France instituting sharia law would be Islamization. The "white genocide" alt-right crowd is blowing things out of proportion.

Ah. Would you consider that both Islam and Christianity make a claim on Truth?

Certainly, both do.

 

[PlaneJane]

Esau = Islam
Jacob = Israel(ites)
Remember Judah(Jews) are only 1/12th of the Israelites, not counting Joseph’s sons.

Not to mention all there is to know about the Jews that say they are Jews, but are of the synagogue of satan Revelations 3:9

To my point...
Genesis 27:20 27:41
Read all of the scriptures about Abraham!

Looks to me like we will never ever agree about anything. I believe we do not even have the same God.

I do not consider myself a “Christian,” because that term has become just a discombobulated hodgepodge of random philosophical one-ups that people use over each other’s heads.

A Muslim? Absolutely NOT!
Has the same discombobulated one-uppers happened to them? Probably.

I am an Israelite, a part of Christ’s living body.
Jeshuah is our Savior, and His is the ONLY religion that even makes sense.

Can we get along? Of course anyone that follows the TRUE teachings of The Savior can easily... live and let live.