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No...we are going to reign with Christ..He will rule with a rod of iron..so..I’m thinking that we will also be ruling like that too..so what judgements will we be making I wonder?
Doesn't mean Jesus is harsh. It obviously means he rules with firm justice.
1. Is the rapture a judgement or an escape from God’s wrath?
2. How is dying for the faith a judgement?
3. I’m think you don’t know what judgement means...how is being sealed a judgement?
4. Everyone will get judged whether they were in the rebellion after the 1,000 years or not..even the dead will be judged at the white throne judgement.
 





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Doesn't mean Jesus is harsh. It obviously means he rules with firm justice.
Revelation‬ ‭19:15‬ ‭
From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.​
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Revelation‬ ‭19:15‬ ‭​

From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.​
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Do you believe Jesus generally harsh? One thing is to be harsh and one is to establish justice.
 





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Do you believe Jesus generally harsh? One thing is to be harsh and one is to establish justice.
I don’t believe Jesus is harsh..but then I’m a Christian saved by His blood.

However, we can see how God has dealt with His people Israel in the OT..would you call some of His decisions regarding them harsh or establishing justice? God has a way with us..that sometimes seems harsh to us...some people don’t want to think God has a hell awaiting sinners who don’t believe in His Son..would you call that harsh?

Then there is His return..that does seem harsh...He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God..ya..I think God can be harsh..He is a well rounded God I would say.
 





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It pains me that adults can believe such fairytales created to keep the masses fearful, therefore compliant. It makes no sense to punish infinitely for finite sins, the only way you can come with an idea like that is through interpreting literally the whole thing about the forbidden fruit which is quite obviously an allegory for the soul's descent into the material universe, into mortality and the duality which life consists of ("Good" and "Evil", right and left, up and down etc.).

Then you have to have the idea that everyone somehow inherits the sin of these original two people through no fault of their own and have to be saved by the means of the bloody execution of a great prophet, an idea evocative of vampirism.

And no, not believing in such a silly story doesn't mean not believing in the teachings of the Christ, it simply means rejecting vicarious atonement and recognizing that we have to do the work of ascension for ourselves and will continue to be reborn (the soul/spirit, not the ego) in this "valley of tears" until we do so. It seems worth repeating the scriptural passage I quoted above:
Agree with a lot of what you said. Thank-you.
 





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How about: this here is hell? full of every crime and bad people. The flames are only for The Last Day of judgement.

King of kings' Bible Psalm 16:10 For Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (planet Earth); neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
This planet is full of sinners so ya...there is crime and bad people...hint..everyone is a bad person because of sin. But this is not hell...though as lawlessness (sin) increases..you may think that it is more and more.
 





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No...we are going to reign with Christ..He will rule with a rod of iron..so..I’m thinking that we will also be ruling like that too..so what judgements will we be making
Offhand, and though I can be very imaginative when I don't put a bit in my horse's mouth and rein it in, that sounds like a good description of hell: Lisa, in a rhinestone tiara, in a fairy godmother's dress, reigning and ruling over me forever and ever, where there is weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, with more than her opinions, but with an actual rod of iron. Egads! :)Absit omen!
 





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Offhand, and though I can be very imaginative when I don't put a bit in my horse's mouth and rein it in, that sounds like a good description of hell: Lisa, in a rhinestone tiara, in a fairy godmother's dress, reigning and ruling over me forever and ever, where there is weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, with more than her opinions, but with an actual rod of iron. Egads! :)Absit omen!
Actually, we are not reigning with Jesus in hell but in the millennium...no one will be in the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth until after the millennium.
 





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I don’t believe Jesus is harsh..but then I’m a Christian saved by His blood.

However, we can see how God has dealt with His people Israel in the OT..would you call some of His decisions regarding them harsh or establishing justice? God has a way with us..that sometimes seems harsh to us...some people don’t want to think God has a hell awaiting sinners who don’t believe in His Son..would you call that harsh?
So right, he has dealt with people a certain way and that was his way of establishing justice and consequences for disobedience or bad acts.
I'm sorry but you're thinking just as satan wants you to think, that God is merciless, unjust and cruel and that he has a hell awaiting sinners so they can be tormented and punished forever and ever.
Those that don't love can't come to know God because God is love 1 John 4:8
Then Jesus said for us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. Why would be pray for people that are bad and are supposedly to be "tormented in hell?"

Then there is His return..that does seem harsh...He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God..ya..I think God can be harsh..He is a well rounded God I would say.
Well of course God is wrathful and he has every right to be. Look at all the people that would rather listen to satan and do bad to others rather than listening to Yahweh and doing good. Too much badness and injustice every where so of course God has to be very angry and so does Jesus.
 





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Actually, we are not reigning with Jesus in hell but in the millennium...no one will be in the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth until after the millennium.
If you think about it carefully, is the weeping and gnashing INSIDE the Lake of fire or outside and around it? The ones witnessing the final death of those who reject God? Note that it doesn't specify exactly WHERE this weeping and gnashing of teeth will take place. Think about that. Anyone with common sense would think that anyone being thrown into a Lake of Fire for eternal destruction would weep and gnash their teeth BEFORE destruction, not AFTER
 





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How about: this here is hell? full of every crime and bad people. The flames are only for The Last Day of judgement.

King of kings' Bible Psalm 16:10 For Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (planet Earth); neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.
I think the same thing Phithx I think this world full of evil is the real place of torment where NO ONE is spared, from the tiny ones to the very old.
 





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This is a place where there is always war somewhere, where people lie, cheat and steal from each other on a daily basis, where women are raped and children are molested, and where no institution is what it appears on the surface to be (e.g. governments, organized religion, the courts, and the medical industry).

The entire world is in open rebellion against God and refuses to keep His Law/Commandments, given to us to protect us from all of this evil/sin and to set and keep us free.

How could this not be hell?

Does anyone really think all these things go on everyday in an actual civilized society where people love, care and share with one another?

Do people really not know this is a prison planet reform-school for the criminally insane?
 





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I hope this finds all of you well and in good spirit.

We know that our heavenly Father (God) created the earth and these bodies for us so He and our “Guardian” Angels could teach us how to be good (Gen. 1:26). Have you ever wondered why? Why would God make us go through the pain and suffering of the lives on this planet in these human-animal bodies? Why not make us like the rest of His Children (ALL of the angels of heaven)? Why would a loving Father create an entire universe and then confine us to this one solitary planet?

Could there be more to all this than "meets the eye"?

There are many references in The Scriptures to this being a prison planet. Please see the following verses which should help everyone better understand where we are.

Enoch 18:15, Psalms 69:33, Psalms 102:20, Psalms 142:7, Psalms 146:7, Eccl. 4:14, Isa. 14:17, Isa. 24:22, Isa. 42:7, Isa. 61:1, Lam. 3:31-34

Enoch 18:15 Then the angel said: This place, until the consummation of heaven and Earth will be the PRISON for the stars, and the host of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9).

Psalms 69:33 For the "I AM" heareth the poor, and despiseth not His prisoners (all of the people on this prison planet).

Psalms 102:20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner(everyone on this prison planet); to free (only) those (who repent) that He has sentenced to death (every sinner);

Psalms 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise Thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for Thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

Psalms 146:7 Which executeth Judgment for the oppressed: Which giveth food to the hungry. The "I AM" looseth the prisoners:

Ecclesiastes 4:14 For in this prison(planet earth) he cometh to reign; because of this[he that is] born in his kingdom becometh poor.

Isaiah 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, [as] prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Isaiah 42:7 TO OPEN BLIND EYES, TO BRING OUT THE PRISONERS FROM THIS PRISON [planet], [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord "I AM" [is] upon me; because the "I AM" hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

Lamentations 3:31-34
3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
3:32 But though He cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of His mercies.
3:33 For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
3:34 To crush under His feet all the prisoners of the earth,

Even in the letters of Paul, there are references to being prisoners of Christ. Why prisoners of Christ instead of just His servants or His studients?

Romans 16:7 Salute Andrew and John, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles,

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou a sharer of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Philemon 1:1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy [our] brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

Philemon 1:9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech [thee], being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.

Sura 17:8. It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): and We have made Hell (the Earth) a prison (Enoch 18:15) for those who reject (all Faith).

Sura 83:5-12
83:5. On a Mighty Day,
83:6. A Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds?
83:7. Nay! Surely the record of the wicked is (preserved) in their Prison Record.
83:8. And what will explain to thee what Prison Record is?
83:9. (There is) a Register (fully) inscribed.
83:10. Woe, that Day, to those that deny-
83:11. Those that deny the Day of Judgment.
83:12. And none can deny it but the Transgressor beyond bounds the Sinner!

If you have wondered about the real reason for human life on planet Earth and what you are doing in this prison-planet reform school for the criminally insane, then please read "the little book” (Rev. 10:7-10), available to you during these end-times exactly as prophesied.
 





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Understanding God is complex.
It really does require a life long devotion.

I don’t identify myself as crazy religious. But I do believe in respect, doing good for the fellow man etc.

That right there keeps me believing in God. The good capable in people.
 





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I really like this explanation thank you for posting it :)
I disagree with human beings called animals though and I don't like that but that's another topic.;)
Good; hoped you would, and thank-you for your reply.

Actually only the human is animal; we the Beings obviously aren't, so your intuition is correct. We've just being locked in in such a way that it's a challenge to see the difference.
 





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This is actual hell...
Matthew‬ ‭13:41-42‬ ‭
The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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