TagliatelliMonster
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Thank youThe effort one has to put in on these forums to get a pertinent reply is incredible.
That's an argument from ignorance right out the gates.How you fill in the uncaused cause was not the question. Do you then agree that there ought to be an uncaused cause?
You're going to assume that some proposition (everything has a cause) is correct "until" you can prove otherwise.
Textbook argument from ignorance.
Having said that, causality at the macroscopic level (newtonian physics, if you wish) is subject to the physics of the universe. The physics of the universe, apply IN the universe.
So you can't extrapolate the laws of physics as they manifest IN the universe and pretend as if they also apply "outside" of the universe, or "absent" the universe.
Lastly, causality is 100% a temporal phenomenon. Effects happen AFTER causes. Causes happen BEFORE effects. First a cause happens and then, later in time, the effect manifests.
Removing the universe would effectively remove the time dimension of the universe.
Meaning that temporal physics no longer apply.
So unless you can somehow show that absent the space-time continuum, there STILL exists some time dimension, causality goes out the window along with the universe itself.
Therefor, when talking about the very origins of the universe (ie, the process of going from NO universe, to a universe), causality simply is not a phenomenon that can be invoked. Because it doesn't exist yet.