The Zionist story

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The Zionist story begins a long, long time ago at the beginning of all things where God made a covenant with Abraham to be his God forever and gave Him a parcel of land forever...Genesis 17:6-8

They lost their land on and off but when they rejected Jesus they were dispersed and they settled elsewhere until Hitler brought 6 million of them to concentration camps to be starved, tortured and killed. After that the Jews were given a part of their land to live in (Balfour declaration) and that’s where many of them are today.

This is the reader’s digest version of events.
 
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The Zionist story begins a long, long time ago at the beginning of all things where God made a covenant with Abraham to be his God forever and gave Him a parcel of land forever...Genesis 17:6-8

They lost their land on and off but when they rejected Jesus they were dispersed and they settled elsewhere until Hitler brought 6 million of them to concentration camps to be starved, tortured and killed. After that the Jews were given a part of their land to live in (Balfour declaration) and that’s where many of them are today.

This is the reader’s digest version of events.
-The Zionist interpretation of the Bible was createad by secular non-religious Jews in the 1890s
-The Balfour Declaration was in 1917

Not really adding up here
 

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-The Zionist interpretation of the Bible was createad by secular non-religious Jews in the 1890s
-The Balfour Declaration was in 1917

Not really adding up here
I did say it was the reader’s digest version...lol! It didn’t hurt that the Jews already had support for a homeland did it? Considering that they were the ones that decided the Jews fate.

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population.


The Bible always said that God gave them the land...
 
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I did say it was the reader’s digest version...lol! It didn’t hurt that the Jews already had support for a homeland did it? Considering that they were the ones that decided the Jews fate.

The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population.


The Bible always said that God gave them the land...
"“Our name, our identity, has been hijacked by an evil, vile, selfish movement that is purely political and ungodly, and to try to get legitimacy, they use our identity, Judaism, the appearance of godliness, to intimidate others, to take away lands from other people, and to oppress them. It is important that we tell the world, that unfortunately, you are making a grand mistake. You should know that these people who are speaking in the name of the Jews, have not only not been a confection for the Jewish people, but they are the worst factor of exacerbating anti-semitism. Jews have been living together with Christians and Muslims for hundreds of years in every Arab country. Until the zionists, there wasn't this ingrained hate for the jewish people. We were all able to coexist without any human rights groups. So what changed that now, Jews cant live in Muslim and Arab countries?

"This relatively new movement, Zionism, that started not much more than 100 years ago, and since has been around, we have had contention, strive, misery, bloodshed, and suffering, so what is the problem? Is it our religion? No, Jews and muslims lived together in peace up until recently. What changed is Zionism. Zionism is a political movement that was created by non religious Jews that wanted to change our identity from a religious identity to a national identity. Their goal was to take God completely out of the equation, to ensnare the religious jews and the evangelical christians, they pretended that theirs was a godly cause to take all the jews out of exile, but the Jews and rabbis around the world stood up to them and said “are you crazy? God has scattered us not because of our physical weakness but because of our sins.

"So the solution isn't a physical one of going back and taking up arms to win the lands. The solution is a metaphysical one, where God takes the people who have learned to live with peace in their hearts and restores them, and until he does that, we are expressly under oath not to return en masse to Israel, but to be loyal citizens in whatever nation we are living. This effort to build a political entity in Israel is simply against the words of God. It is rebellion against him to return to the lands of Palestine, even if the lands had been completely uninhabited. But given that this return was to a land that was already inhabited by a people, this rebellion against God became compounded by stealing lands and oppressing the people that already lived there. How can we remain silent when the name of God and Judaism is being profaned and sullied by these people. We pray for the speedy and peaceful dismantlement for this evil and sinister state that has brought about so much death and suffering, namely Israel.” Rabbi Dovid Weiss
 

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"“Our name, our identity, has been hijacked by an evil, vile, selfish movement that is purely political and ungodly, and to try to get legitimacy, they use our identity, Judaism, the appearance of godliness, to intimidate others, to take away lands from other people, and to oppress them. It is important that we tell the world, that unfortunately, you are making a grand mistake. You should know that these people who are speaking in the name of the Jews, have not only not been a confection for the Jewish people, but they are the worst factor of exacerbating anti-semitism. Jews have been living together with Christians and Muslims for hundreds of years in every Arab country. Until the zionists, there wasn't this ingrained hate for the jewish people. We were all able to coexist without any human rights groups. So what changed that now, Jews cant live in Muslim and Arab countries?

"This relatively new movement, Zionism, that started not much more than 100 years ago, and since has been around, we have had contention, strive, misery, bloodshed, and suffering, so what is the problem? Is it our religion? No, Jews and muslims lived together in peace up until recently. What changed is Zionism. Zionism is a political movement that was created by non religious Jews that wanted to change our identity from a religious identity to a national identity. Their goal was to take God completely out of the equation, to ensnare the religious jews and the evangelical christians, they pretended that theirs was a godly cause to take all the jews out of exile, but the Jews and rabbis around the world stood up to them and said “are you crazy? God has scattered us not because of our physical weakness but because of our sins.

"So the solution isn't a physical one of going back and taking up arms to win the lands. The solution is a metaphysical one, where God takes the people who have learned to live with peace in their hearts and restores them, and until he does that, we are expressly under oath not to return en masse to Israel, but to be loyal citizens in whatever nation we are living. This effort to build a political entity in Israel is simply against the words of God. It is rebellion against him to return to the lands of Palestine, even if the lands had been completely uninhabited. But given that this return was to a land that was already inhabited by a people, this rebellion against God became compounded by stealing lands and oppressing the people that already lived there. How can we remain silent when the name of God and Judaism is being profaned and sullied by these people. We pray for the speedy and peaceful dismantlement for this evil and sinister state that has brought about so much death and suffering, namely Israel.” Rabbi Dovid Weiss
Rabbi Weiss doesn’t know everything...not only did God give the Jews the land forever, the land plays a part in the last days so whether or not that Rabbi believes it or not, likes it or not, Israel being a nation will be a catalyst for fulfilling end times prophecies.
 

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@Lisa The book you have been indoctrinated by has had a detrimental effect on you. Your passivity regarding world events and real people's lives is a result of you not working your brain, some other people appear to be doing that now.

I'm prescribing you this 8 minute video to help you understand your condition a little better.

Taking into account your current attention span I'd recommend 8 × 1 minute dosage 4 times a day..... I'll check how it went for you on Sunday.... don't thank me.

 

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@Lisa The book you have been indoctrinated by has had a detrimental effect on you. Your passivity regarding world events and real people's lives is a result of you not working your brain, some other people appear to be doing that now.

I'm prescribing you this 8 minute video to help you understand your condition a little better.

Taking into account your current attention span I'd recommend 8 × 1 minute dosage 4 times a day..... I'll check how it went for you on Sunday.... don't thank me.

Wow! People actually buy that stuff? I took your challenge seriously and endured through the whole video...how can you listen to stuff like that?

I’m not sure what passivity you’re talking about so maybe you can elaborate on that point?
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_disaster

You can start here, although I understand you are comically hard headed due to the influence of the Sayannim

So the laws that were passed in Muslim countries that stripped Jews of their citizenship? Was that the Irgun? What about the forced expulsions? The denial of rights? The boycotts? The theft of billions of dollars in Jewish property by Arab states? The open threats made by Arab leaders against Jews? Was that all done by Israeli spies, too?

I can see how they could burn a few synagogues, and maybe start a riot or two, but how did they manage to pass all those laws disenfranchising Jews? Have you put any thought into this?
 

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Israel being a nation will be a catalyst for fulfilling end times prophecies.
So the prophecies must be fulfilled so you and all the other "believers" can go to your permanent home in the sky away from all of us heathens who will be passing eternity in a pit of fire.

I mean, who cares if the Palestinians suffer, it's in accordance with prophecy. Israel can't do anything wrong because God put it there.
 

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It has nothing to do with the OP that Stephania has posted and it's from a religious perspective, which should be in the Religious and Spirituality section. ;)
Would you regard the comment by @shankara as a “religious” perspective too?

So the prophecies must be fulfilled so you and all the other "believers" can go to your permanent home in the sky away from all of us heathens who will be passing eternity in a pit of fire.

I mean, who cares if the Palestinians suffer, it's in accordance with prophecy. Israel can't do anything wrong because God put it there.
Does it only count as a religious perspective if prophetic perspectives are being set in a positive light, with critical voices of those prophecies exempt from reprimand?

Apologies if secular sensibilities have been offended...
 
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Would you regard the comment by @shankara as a “religious” perspective too?



Does it only count as a religious perspective if prophetic perspectives are being set in a positive light, with critical voices of those prophecies exempt from reprimand?

Apologies if secular sensibilities have been offended...
Shankara used quotes, and was responding to Lisa's post, which was religious in it's content. Lisa is notorious for derailing threads everywhere on this board into a religious discussion and has been called on it many times. There are people on here who are agnostics, atheists and I'm sure even religious, who don't want every thread having quotes from the bible in it to suit a certain narrative.

I don't think there's any reason to apologize, just be cognizant of the section you're posting in, that's all.
 

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Shankara used quotes, and was responding to Lisa's post, which was religious in it's content. Lisa is notorious for derailing threads everywhere on this board into a religious discussion and has been called on it many times. There are people on here who are agnostics, atheists and I'm sure even religious, who don't want every thread having quotes from the bible in it to suit a certain narrative.

I don't think there's any reason to apologize, just be cognizant of the section you're posting in, that's all.
As I don’t think it is possible to discuss the unlikely nation of Israel in isolation from its spiritual components, I will disturb this thread no longer @Orwell's mentor ...
 

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Yeah it's true people do have the tendency to ignore the actual subject before them and retreat into various kinds of projections, religious ones included. I figure that here we're supposed to be discussing whether or not what Israel does and has done is ethical. It might be that there is some kind of prophecy according to some particular interpretation of a spiritual text, that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the way Israel behaves is correct and justified, right? Prophecy is not an excuse.
 

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Yeah it's true people do have the tendency to ignore the actual subject before them and retreat into various kinds of projections, religious ones included. I figure that here we're supposed to be discussing whether or not what Israel does and has done is ethical. It might be that there is some kind of prophecy according to some particular interpretation of a spiritual text, that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the way Israel behaves is correct and justified, right? Prophecy is not an excuse.
Last comment - Israel is criticised for being unethical but as anyone with problem neighbours will know, there is often another side to the story.

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/“peace-to-prosperity”.5874/page-9#post-228856
 

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Last comment - Israel is criticised for being unethical but as anyone with problem neighbours will know, there is often another side to the story.

https://www.vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/“peace-to-prosperity”.5874/page-9#post-228856
Yeah this kind of bellicose rhetoric isn't particularly helpful. There are however millions of Palestinians currently in refugee camps who should have the right to return to the lands they were driven out of during the Nakba, a process which merits the name of ethnic cleansing. Obviously the way of fighting the occupation with violence is very unintelligent and in the end only gives the Israelis more ammunition (pun about illegal exploding bullets intended) in their combat to repress the Palestinian people.

It's possible to go around in circles on this subject but for me it all becomes quite clear when we look at the question of proportionality. An Israeli soldier shot a disarmed attacker in the head when he lay on the ground and received nine months in prison, which was too much for some of the more rabid Zionists. On the other hand the Palestinian girl who slapped a soldier received something like eighteen months (EDIT: Ahed Tamini, the girl who slapped a soldier among those who shot her cousin in the head with a rubber bullet, recieved an eight month sentence). "Politically motivated stone-throwing" is punishable by a minimum of three years. HAMAS occasionally fire rockets, which isn't right or wise, but an order of magnitude more are killed by Israeli air strikes and worse, shooting at protestors including medics and journalists with ammunition that no country with any humanity would use even in a situation of war (which the "Great March Of Return" certainly wasn't).

There are tons of stories out there like this one: https://israelpalestinenews.org/protest-dispersed-israeli-sniper-shot-boy-in-head/ , doesn't take much effort to find them.

Also this thing you linked to makes me think about what someone was saying on here about Abbas being a stooge for the Israelis. I mean, it's pretty obvious that the kind of things he was saying aren't likely to be particularly beneficial to the Palestinian cause. But whether there's some conspiracy or not, the facts on the ground tell a sad story of occupation and oppression.
 
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You Jews always tell the truth, be it about Porn Industry, 9/11, Epstein, Jimmy Seville, Freemasonry, Immigration, Bolshevik (jewish) revolution, Child Abuse, GMOs, Chemtrails, the Rothchilds etc...

so you must be telling the truth about Palestine too.
These kinds of sentiments are as old as hell. “The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing,” and, “Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies.”

Satanic hatred of the Jews based on lies. Don’t be a mouthpiece of the devil.
 
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