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I didn’t say no visions are real...but you really have to look at that scripture and see if what you’re watching conforms to scripture. If you are posting videos about young people dreaming dreams and the verse says old men dream dreams...then why are ya posting the young people dreaming dreams? Can that be Biblical then?

That’s where the Bible comes in and helps us...and the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth. I think God keeps us abreast of situations in the world and He want’s us to keep an eye on world events, however..I don’t know that he want’s us to get caught up in them. I think he wants us to keep an eye on the seasons and keep our look out for Him more than he wants us to get caught up in covid speculations.

And they are covid speculations...I know that @Frank Badfinger is awfully proud of his thread but in the end..its all just speculation. What if none of what’s in his thread even happens and life does return to normal? What if we don’t have anything forced on us. Does Frank come out and apologize for getting caught up in all the speculation? Does he apologize for making people fearful..and in the end are we Christians supposed to make people fearful of events that could happen in the world.

You have your thread about dreams...telling me at one point I better move out of the US. Is that fear mongering? And over what? Because you think all people dreaming dreams are true? If I were to take you up on that and move...and nothing happens but I mess up my life by doing something out of fear...would you feel bad? And where in this messed up world is safe? Do you even think of those things? You didn’t say...Lisa, I really think this is true but I think you should pray about it too. None of that. Isn’t that what a Christian should do...ask people to pray about things...knowing that God is ultimately in charge and the one we should trust? Do you forget that we are Christians first and its God we point to...its God we should give the glory to?

I do happen to think that God opened my eyes to different things going on in the world..and I don’t think that’s a bad thing. The bad thing is when we let those conspiracy theories make us less of a Christian, trusting in God and more like the world around us..living in fear and conjectures...is our light shining then..or has it dimmed?

The devil is a murderer..he is sneaky and manipulative. Is that smart? Was it smart to go against God..he’s not smart at all.

There is no coup with covid. Its all a desperate attempt to win an election...and I would say not a well thought out plan at all...especially if you want people to still vote for you after they find out you messed up their livelihoods for greed and power. It’s not even psychological warfare its fear manipulation. I don’t know if you really understand it at all, honestly. You make it sound ingenious when its really actually pathetic.
i somewhat agree with what u said, but also, as much as it is speculation so is life. We wouldnt go out for the day if its forecast rain would we? Things arent going back to normal Lisa, its bigger than the election.
 






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i somewhat agree with what u said, but also, as much as it is speculation so is life. We wouldnt go out for the day if its forecast rain would we? Things arent going back to normal Lisa, its bigger than the election.
Like they can forecast the weather correctly everyday. And people do go out in the rain anyway.

What if its not bigger than an election? And things will go back to normal..
Matthew‬ ‭24:37-39‬ ‭
For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
 






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Like they can forecast the weather correctly everyday. And people do go out in the rain anyway.

What if its not bigger than an election? And things will go back to normal..
Matthew‬ ‭24:37-39‬ ‭
For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
take out the rapture and everything else, from a secular point of view, its not going back to normal.

Weve been told this, over and over again, this is "the new normal"

Matthew 16:3
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and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
 






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take out the rapture and everything else, from a secular point of view, its not going back to normal.

Weve been told this, over and over again, this is "the new normal"

Matthew 16:3
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and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
The rapture doesn’t happen for quite some time..so we will be a part of things whether we want to or not.

You don’t know that it won’t go back to normal. Its going to be very hard to keep people terrified for years and years...and just because people try to predict a new normal..doesn’t mean that it will happen or even happen in the way they think it will.

All I know is that we can’t predict the future...that should give you pause on what you believe about the future and send you in prayer to God for guidance.
 






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The rapture doesn’t happen for quite some time..so we will be a part of things whether we want to or not.

You don’t know that it won’t go back to normal. Its going to be very hard to keep people terrified for years and years...and just because people try to predict a new normal..doesn’t mean that it will happen or even happen in the way they think it will.

All I know is that we can’t predict the future...that should give you pause on what you believe about the future and send you in prayer to God for guidance.
i think u missing something here

Mark 13:23
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So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
without revealing his plan
to his servants the prophets.
Amos 3:7 | NIV


Isaiah 46:10 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’


One of Gods most powerful testimonies he is who he says he is, are his prophecies, we are supposed to look for the fulfilment of them.

We are to search the scriptures daily and be watchmen on the wall, I dont really understand the thinking you have regarding this, I dont think it comes from a biblical place.

I think just to say oh relax trust in God to some degree, is an issue with the sleeping church and I think if everyone took that approach evil would have much more of a stronghold in the world.
 






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i think u missing something here


Mark 13:23

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So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
without revealing his plan
to his servants the prophets.
Amos 3:7 | NIV



Isaiah 46:10 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’


One of Gods most powerful testimonies he is who he says he is, are his prophecies, we are supposed to look for the fulfilment of them.



We are to search the scriptures daily and be watchmen on the wall, I dont really understand the thinking you have regarding this, I dont think it comes from a biblical place.

I think just to say oh relax trust in God to some degree, is an issue with the sleeping church and I think if everyone took that approach evil would have much more of a stronghold in the world.
Did God give us a play by play about the end times? Where we can see that the US is going to have an election with trump and biden? No, He didn’t..so how do you interpret those times? Did God tell us about Brexit? Jesus told us this...
Matthew‬ ‭24:4-9‬ ‭
And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.”

These are the signs that we should look for. Why? Because they point to His return. Does covid point to His return? Do elections point to His return? Does the elite point to His return? Or does Israel being a nation again point to His return?
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:1-4‬ ‭
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Daniel‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭
And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.


The sleeping church has other issues than not being watchful...deception in the church is a huge problem..with people not understanding what a Christian really is. If you don’t understand that being a Christian has nothing to do with being a patriot or a social justice warrior..how are you gonna notice the sign of the times?

I think you’re wrong about looking to God...
Psalms‬ ‭121:1-2‬ ‭
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains; From where shall my help come? My help comes from the LORD, Who made heaven and earth.

Psalms‬ ‭118:8‬ ‭
It is better to take refuge in the LORD Than to trust in man.”

2 Samuel‬ ‭22:3‬ ‭
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge; My savior, You save me from violence.

Edit: I think for a Christian...God should be your focus...He is the One that saved you..how could He not help you? Even if you miss a sign of the times...don’t you have the Holy Spirit in you helping you in truth, teaching you and bringing to your remembrance all that he taught you?
John‬ ‭14:26‬ ‭
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Christians here seem to have forgotten God for trying to be prophets instead of trusting Him and shining their light on God...giving Him the glory that He deserves.
 






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Did God give us a play by play about the end times? Where we can see that the US is going to have an election with trump and biden? No, He didn’t..so how do you interpret those times? Did God tell us about Brexit? Jesus told us this...
Matthew‬ ‭24:4-9‬ ‭
And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.”

These are the signs that we should look for. Why? Because they point to His return. Does covid point to His return? Do elections point to His return? Does the elite point to His return? Or does Israel being a nation again point to His return?
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:1-4‬ ‭
Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Daniel‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭
And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.


The sleeping church has other issues than not being watchful...deception in the church is a huge problem..with people not understanding what a Christian really is. If you don’t understand that being a Christian has nothing to do with being a patriot or a social justice warrior..how are you gonna notice the sign of the times?

I think you’re wrong about looking to God...
Psalms‬ ‭121:1-2‬ ‭
I will lift up my eyes to the mountains; From where shall my help come? My help comes from the LORD, Who made heaven and earth.

Psalms‬ ‭118:8‬ ‭
It is better to take refuge in the LORD Than to trust in man.”

2 Samuel‬ ‭22:3‬ ‭
My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge; My savior, You save me from violence.

Edit: I think for a Christian...God should be your focus...He is the One that saved you..how could He not help you? Even if you miss a sign of the times...don’t you have the Holy Spirit in you helping you in truth, teaching you and bringing to your remembrance all that he taught you?
John‬ ‭14:26‬ ‭
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Christians here seem to have forgotten God for trying to be prophets instead of trusting Him and shining their light on God...giving Him the glory that He deserves.
Deception is a huge problem, because people are not aware of whats going on, alot of what you said is contradictory, and you seem to be operating in a black and white paradigm, that because you concern yourself with what people are saying that makes you not focusing on God, pretty sure, the guys that followed John The Baptist, speculated on him being elijah, or a type of Elijah, and that didnt make them any less disciples did it?
 






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According to the Book of Acts, Chapter 17 verse 11, Paul of Tarsus and Silas preached at Berea, and the inhabitants "... received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.", and many of them believed.

we are supposed to search the scriptures to see if they are correlating with whats going on today.
 






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Deception is a huge problem, because people are not aware of whats going on, alot of what you said is contradictory, and you seem to be operating in a black and white paradigm, that because you concern yourself with what people are saying that makes you not focusing on God, pretty sure, the guys that followed John The Baptist, speculated on him being elijah, or a type of Elijah, and that didnt make them any less disciples did it?
What did I say that was contradictory? That we follow the news but keep our focus on God? Didn’t Jesus tell us to keep on the alert? But..we also keep our eyes on God who saves us.

I’m not really sure why you brought John the baptist into the convo, honestly.

According to the Book of Acts, Chapter 17 verse 11, Paul of Tarsus and Silas preached at Berea, and the inhabitants "... received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.", and many of them believed.

we are supposed to search the scriptures to see if they are correlating with whats going on today.
No doubt..its what I’ve been saying. But when scriptures can’t be found to correlate to a virus and the mark of the beast..why would anyone relate them to each other? You have to look at scripture in that way too.
 






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What did I say that was contradictory? That we follow the news but keep our focus on God? Didn’t Jesus tell us to keep on the alert? But..we also keep our eyes on God who saves us.

I’m not really sure why you brought John the baptist into the convo, honestly.


No doubt..its what I’ve been saying. But when scriptures can’t be found to correlate to a virus and the mark of the beast..why would anyone relate them to each other? You have to look at scripture in that way too.
i think they can though lol matthew 24 comes to mind, and revelation verses about the mark of the beast, which is a SYSTEM OF COMMERCE u seem to miss that in no other time are we closer to us having a system of commerce reflective of the mark of the beast system, in revelation.
 






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i think they can though lol matthew 24 comes to mind, and revelation verses about the mark of the beast, which is a SYSTEM OF COMMERCE u seem to miss that in no other time are we closer to us having a system of commerce reflective of the mark of the beast system, in revelation.
You miss the verse that says...
Revelation‬ ‭13:16-17‬ ‭
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.


Seems to me that the antichrist is the one that makes this mark possible...and you’d have to have the name of the beast..and we don’t know his name do we? He’s the one that provides and causes people to have the mark...and we don’t know who he is. When do we know who he is?

‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.


And he doesn’t age his seat in the temple of God..which has yet to be built first..and then not until 3.5 years later...
Daniel‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭
And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.
 






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You miss the verse that says...
Revelation‬ ‭13:16-17‬ ‭
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.


Seems to me that the antichrist is the one that makes this mark possible...and you’d have to have the name of the beast..and we don’t know his name do we? He’s the one that provides and causes people to have the mark...and we don’t know who he is. When do we know who he is?

‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.


And he doesn’t age his seat in the temple of God..which has yet to be built first..and then not until 3.5 years later...
Daniel‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭
And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.
u keep using that verse but how do u think the system comes about nobody would just accept the system out of the blue, the stage is being set, cant help u if u dont see tht
 






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u keep using that verse but how do u think the system comes about nobody would just accept the system out of the blue, the stage is being set, cant help u if u dont see tht
They will accept the system if they want to buy and sell..the anitchrist will make sure of it..
Revelation‬ ‭13:4‬ ‭
They worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

You should actually read those verses to find out how it comes to pass instead of adding to them.
Revelation‬ ‭22:18-19‬ ‭
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Proverbs‬ ‭30:6‬ ‭
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
 






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They will accept the system if they want to buy and sell..the anitchrist will make sure of it..
Revelation‬ ‭13:4‬ ‭
They worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

You should actually read those verses to find out how it comes to pass instead of adding to them.
Revelation‬ ‭22:18-19‬ ‭
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Proverbs‬ ‭30:6‬ ‭
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
u dont get it, the antichrist doesnt just pop up and command everything i think u are struggling to really understand real world eschatology in relation to rev
 






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i think u are struggling to really understand real world eschatology in relation to rev
I think I understand it just fine actually. Is there a virus mentioned in talking about the mark of the beast?
 






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I think I understand it just fine actually. Is there a virus mentioned in talking about the mark of the beast?
The virus is just a precursor to it, but it is a precursor and it is coming, I dont think u get that.
 






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The virus is just a precursor to it, but it is a precursor and it is coming, I dont think u get that.
What if the virus has nothing to do with a mark? What if the mark is just what the scripture says its all about? No one can buy or sell without it...doesn’t mandate a virus to take...you just can’t buy or sell without it. The mark can’t come without knowing who the antichrist is...you keep forgetting that part. Its either the number of his name...666 or his name. How can we have a mark if we don’t know who he is or his name? Its the ultimate act of worship is it not? You bow down to his image and have his mark on you. That’s the whole point of the mark...you do know that right?
 






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What if the virus has nothing to do with a mark? What if the mark is just what the scripture says its all about? No one can buy or sell without it...doesn’t mandate a virus to take...you just can’t buy or sell without it. The mark can’t come without knowing who the antichrist is...you keep forgetting that part. Its either the number of his name...666 or his name. How can we have a mark if we don’t know who he is or his name? Its the ultimate act of worship is it not? You bow down to his image and have his mark on you. That’s the whole point of the mark...you do know that right?
people arent just going to take the mark tho there has to be a REASON... this is the REASON...
 






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people arent just going to take the mark tho there has to be a REASON... this is the REASON...
The reason is they can’t buy or sell...that is all the reason they need.

Edit: if you can’t buy food without the mark...
 






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The reason is they can’t buy or sell...that is all the reason they need.
why wouldnt they be able to buy or sell tho? because the antichrist said so... people wouldnt follow it regardless, it will be a cashless society aswell, otherwise theres no real need for marks is there, ur not being culturally relevant with how u are thinking, as far as u are concerned im sure, this could be a literal mark, that people can just look at and then they can continue spending cash.

So u think that one day, everythings gonna be cool, then all of a sudden the antichrist pops up, and all of a sudden everyone has to take a mark. No, u are seeing peoples ideologies and brains and paradigms being broken down to be able to accept an Anti Christ right now. I think ur completely missing that, its like ur basically everything up until that point is irrelevant thats simply not logical.
 






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