The Satanic Verses - Revisited - NEW EVIDENCE

[Kais_1]

Now, this is a serious question...

If any of you are able to help or give your two pennys worth..then go ahead and post.

what i want to know is about Surah Najm 53, and in particular the satanic verses.

Exalted are the Gharaniq, whose intercession is hoped for.

now if you have been following my posts, then you will know that Gharaniq are also known as cranes....the bird type.

After lots of research and time on the net i have come to the conclusion that the very first crane ever reffered to as a god was found in a site in Turkey, called Gobleki tepe.

Now, when prophet Mohammed said the verse and pronounced it to the muslim nation....he was reffering to the god as a crane...the oldest diety known to mankind.

but he also accepted ALLAH as a god.

this , then means that there are 3 gods according to Islam.. according to Mohammed.


Al- Lat which is also ALLAH (t=h)
Uzzu
and Manat.

The Trinity

 

[DesertRose]

Another thread on the same topic and you never quote the actual Quran.
You want help. May Allah guide you to that which is better! Ameen.

This report has been deemed false because the chain of transmission has been interrupted (mursal).
The short explanation:
This report is undoubtedly false on a number of counts.
1.Its isnaad is very weak and is not saheeh.
2.The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was infallible with regard to the conveying of his Message.
3.Even if this report was saheeh, for argument’s sake, the scholars have stated that it is to be understood as meaning that the Shaytaan caused the kuffaar to hear these words, not that he put them in the mouth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so they heard them from him.
See Ibn Katheer’s refutation of this in his tafseer of Soorat al-Hajj 22:52. And Allaah knows best.

“Satanic verses” - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

For more info:

"Those Are The High Flying Claims"

Those Are The High Flying Claims

www.islamic-awareness.org

Now here are the verses.
This is not the first time I have posted these verses on your threads
Surah an-Najm 19-24
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?
And Manat, the third - the other one?
Is the male for you and for Him the female?
That, then, is an unjust division.
They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.
Or is there for man whatever he wishes?
Rather, to Allah belongs the Hereafter and the first [life].

 

[Kais_1]

Another thread on the same topic and you never quote the actual Quran.
You want help. May Allah guide you to that which is better! Ameen.

This report has been deemed false because the chain of transmission has been interrupted (mursal).
The short explanation:
This report is undoubtedly false on a number of counts.
1.Its isnaad is very weak and is not saheeh.
2.The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was infallible with regard to the conveying of his Message.
3.Even if this report was saheeh, for argument’s sake, the scholars have stated that it is to be understood as meaning that the Shaytaan caused the kuffaar to hear these words, not that he put them in the mouth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so they heard them from him.
See Ibn Katheer’s refutation of this in his tafseer of Soorat al-Hajj 22:52. And Allaah knows best.

“Satanic verses” - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

For more info:

"Those Are The High Flying Claims"

Those Are The High Flying Claims

www.islamic-awareness.org

Now here are the verses.
This is not the first time I have posted these verses on your threads
Surah an-Najm 19-24
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?
And Manat, the third - the other one?
Is the male for you and for Him the female?
That, then, is an unjust division.
They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.
Or is there for man whatever he wishes?
Rather, to Allah belongs the Hereafter and the first [life].

i dont want to go over the same things again...

as you are able to read i have posted new evidence that prophet Mohammed actually committed shirk.

In Islam, shirk (Arabic: شرك‎ širk) is the sin of idolatry or polytheism (i.e., the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides Allah).

and there is also evidence that the oldest deity known to man was a crane....

was the prophet onto something?

 

[A Freeman]

From The King of kings' Bible:

Sura 53

Surah 53. The Star

53:1. By the Star when it goes down,-
53:2. Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
53:3. Nor does he say (anything) of (his own) Desire.
53:4. It is no less than Inspiration sent down to him:
53:5. He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
53:6. Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form)
53:7. While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
53:8. Then he approached and came closer,
53:9. And was at a distance of only two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
53:10. So did "I AM" convey the Inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
53:11. The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
53:12. Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
53:13. For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
53:14. Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: (Gen. 3:22-24)
53:15. Near it is The Garden of Life.
53:16. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (Christ's Crown of Thorns was made from a Lote-tree)
53:17. (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
53:18. For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
53:19. Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
53:20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
53:21. What! For you the male gender, and for Him, the female?
53:22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
53:23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your ancestors,- for which "I AM" has sent down NOauthority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
53:24. Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after (Gen. 6:5, Deut. 12:8)?
53:25. But it is to "I AM" that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong (Revelation 1:8).
53:26. How many-so-ever be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing except after "I AM" has given leave for whom He pleases and that he is acceptable to Him.
53:27. Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
53:28. But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth.
53:29. Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world.
53:30. That is as far as knowledge will reach them. Verily thy Lord knoweth best those who stray from His Way, and He knoweth best those who receive Guidance.
53:31. Yea, to "I AM" belongs all that is in the heavens and on Earth: so that He punishes those who do evil, according to their deeds, and He rewards those who do good, with what is best.
53:32. Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, and when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil.
53:33. Seest thou one who turns back,
53:34. Gives a little, then hardens (his heart)?
53:35. What! Has he knowledge of the Unseen so that he can see?
53:36. Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-
53:37. And about Abraham who fulfilled his commitments?-
53:38. Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;
53:39. That man can have nothing but what he strives for;
53:40. That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight;
53:41. Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete (Matt. 16:27);
53:42. That to thy Lord is the final Goal;
53:43. That it is He Who granteth Laughter and Tears;
53:44. That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;
53:45. That He did create in pairs,- male and female,
53:46. From a seed when lodged (in its place);
53:47. That He hath promised a Second Creation (Resurrection of the Dead);
53:48. That it is He Who giveth wealth and satisfaction;
53:49. That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);
53:50. And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),
53:51. And the Thamud, nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.
53:52. And before them, the people of Noah, for that they were (all) most unjust and most insolent transgressors,
53:53. And He destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah).
53:54. So that (ruins unknown) have covered them up.
53:55. Then which of the gifts of thy Lord, (O man,) wilt thou dispute about?
53:56. This is a Warner, of the (series of) Warners of old!
53:57. The (Judgment) ever approaching draws nigh:
53:58. No Being (soul) but "I AM" can lay it bare.
53:59. Do ye then wonder at this recital?
53:60. And will ye laugh and not weep,-
53:61. Wasting your time in vanities (Eccl. 1:2)?
53:62. But fall ye down in prostration to "I AM", and adore (Him)!

 

[Kais_1]

From The King of kings' Bible:

Sura 53

Surah 53. The Star

53:1. By the Star when it goes down,-
53:2. Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
53:3. Nor does he say (anything) of (his own) Desire.
53:4. It is no less than Inspiration sent down to him:
53:5. He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
53:6. Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form)
53:7. While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
53:8. Then he approached and came closer,
53:9. And was at a distance of only two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
53:10. So did "I AM" convey the Inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
53:11. The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
53:12. Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
53:13. For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
53:14. Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: (Gen. 3:22-24)
53:15. Near it is The Garden of Life.
53:16. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (Christ's Crown of Thorns was made from a Lote-tree)
53:17. (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
53:18. For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
53:19. Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
53:20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
53:21. What! For you the male gender, and for Him, the female?
53:22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
53:23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your ancestors,- for which "I AM" has sent down NOauthority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
53:24. Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after (Gen. 6:5, Deut. 12:8)?
53:25. But it is to "I AM" that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong (Revelation 1:8).
53:26. How many-so-ever be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing except after "I AM" has given leave for whom He pleases and that he is acceptable to Him.
53:27. Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
53:28. But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth.
53:29. Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world.
53:30. That is as far as knowledge will reach them. Verily thy Lord knoweth best those who stray from His Way, and He knoweth best those who receive Guidance.
53:31. Yea, to "I AM" belongs all that is in the heavens and on Earth: so that He punishes those who do evil, according to their deeds, and He rewards those who do good, with what is best.
53:32. Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, and when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil.
53:33. Seest thou one who turns back,
53:34. Gives a little, then hardens (his heart)?
53:35. What! Has he knowledge of the Unseen so that he can see?
53:36. Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-
53:37. And about Abraham who fulfilled his commitments?-
53:38. Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;
53:39. That man can have nothing but what he strives for;
53:40. That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight;
53:41. Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete (Matt. 16:27);
53:42. That to thy Lord is the final Goal;
53:43. That it is He Who granteth Laughter and Tears;
53:44. That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;
53:45. That He did create in pairs,- male and female,
53:46. From a seed when lodged (in its place);
53:47. That He hath promised a Second Creation (Resurrection of the Dead);
53:48. That it is He Who giveth wealth and satisfaction;
53:49. That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);
53:50. And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),
53:51. And the Thamud, nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.
53:52. And before them, the people of Noah, for that they were (all) most unjust and most insolent transgressors,
53:53. And He destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah).
53:54. So that (ruins unknown) have covered them up.
53:55. Then which of the gifts of thy Lord, (O man,) wilt thou dispute about?
53:56. This is a Warner, of the (series of) Warners of old!
53:57. The (Judgment) ever approaching draws nigh:
53:58. No Being (soul) but "I AM" can lay it bare.
53:59. Do ye then wonder at this recital?
53:60. And will ye laugh and not weep,-
53:61. Wasting your time in vanities (Eccl. 1:2)?
53:62. But fall ye down in prostration to "I AM", and adore (Him)!

may i ask , what religion you follow?