Imagine a Catholic, yes-- Jesus on a stick-- a graven image of the moment Satan thought he was triumphant. Of course, he wasn't. Not that you could tell from the preceding exchange, but anyway... carry on.
So, I guess we get to see you go down swinging again. Have fun tearing the place down tonight.
I don't know who you are..what religion do you follow?
You ever watch the south park episode where cartman makes a Christian rock band?
This doesn't make any sense.
You always sound irritated and angry.
You’re right, you don’t know who I am, neither do you want to. Fuck religion. ALL religion.
Everybody knows who you are within minutes of your arrival. You want to puff up and act like some badass demoness but it is all an illusion in your mind. So, are you going to huff and puff and blow my house down?
Going on the several posts at face value:
Maybe not to you... but I probably should not expect that you would make sense of it.
Why did you quote me then? Christians hang the cross in their churches and wear it as jewelry, whether it has a person on it or not is neither here nor there to me. My response was to DR's comment about an electric chair and had nothing to do with Catholics.Maybe not to you... but I probably should not expect that you would make sense of it.
This--
When Jesus was crucified, Satan thought he had 'won.' That is, until the veil separating the Holy of Holies was torn from top to bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent, and the tombs were opened, etc. etc. And He rose from the dead.
So it stands to reason that the graphic crucifixion images and statuary are prevalent in the Catholic church, if for no other reason than to commemorate that part of the event. It is disrespectful because Jesus triumphed over the cross, and He is risen-- meaning, He is Alive-- yet they still drag the image of a dead man around, and continue to keep Him on display in that state. Its gruesome, imo. Regarding the preceding exchange, it was catty.
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Satan would never have expected that God would go to such great lengths to love humans. Satan is a self-seeker. He is out for his own glory, and so, he expects everyone else to be also. He would have never expected God to glorify himself by hanging naked and bloody from a Cross (Jn. 17:1). This is antithetical to everything that Satan believes in, and it would have blindsided him to even consider. As C.S. Lewis’ fictional demonic character Screwtape writes to his fellow demon:
I slipped by mere carelessness into saying that the Enemy really loves the humans. That, of course, is an impossibility. He is one being, they are distinct from Him. Their good cannot be His. All His talk about Love must be a disguise for something else—He must have some real motive for creating them and taking so much trouble about them. The reason one comes to talk as if He really had this impossible Love is our utter failure to out that real motive. What does He stand to make out of them? That is the insoluble question. I do not see that it can do any harm to tell you that this very problem was a chief cause of Our Father’s quarrel with the Enemy. When the creation of man was first mooted and when, even at that stage, the Enemy freely confessed that he foresaw a certain episode about a cross, Our Father very naturally sought an interview and asked for an explanation. The Enemy gave no reply except to produce the cock-and-bull story about disinterested love which He has been circulating ever since. This Our Father naturally could not accept. He implored the Enemy to lay His cards on the table, and gave Him every opportunity. He admitted that he felt a real anxiety to know the secret; the Enemy replied “I wish with all my heart that you did”. It was, I imagine, at this stage in the interview that Our Father’s disgust at such an unprovoked lack of confidence caused him to remove himself an infinite distance from the Presence with a suddenness which has given rise to the ridiculous enemy story that he was forcibly thrown out of Heaven. Since then, we have begun to see why our Oppressor was so secretive. His throne depends on the secret. Members of His faction have frequently admitted that if ever we came to understand what He means by Love, the war would be over and we should reenter Heaven. And there lies the great task. We know that He cannot really love: nobody can: it doesn’t make sense. If we could only find out what He is really up to! Hypothesis after hypothesis has been tried, and still we can’t find out. Yet we must never lose hope; more and more complicated theories, fuller and fuller collections of data, richer rewards for researchers who make progress, more and more terrible punishments for those who fail—all this, pursued and accelerated to the very end of time, cannot, surely, fail to succeed.[4]
I recommend you read the Amplified bible
Lucifer, a Mediterranean pagan deity is conflated with Satan because of a bad translation by St.Hubert, of that verse, which as you said is a description of an earthly king.
one dimensional christians can't even understand that sometimes.
I'm aware... you were a part of the exchange, so why not. And I dont imagine that any of it is either here or there to you, personally, but it does matter-- and it's not really about you-- plenty of other people read the material. Though this will be a good one to cite when someone gets upset because someone has called muhamed a schizophrenic. Again.
Both are true. The literal King of Tyre and the fallen angel Lucifer.
What is this Logos who you are referring to?
You're making it up as you go along, don't do that. Things meant in jest/irony are not meant to be taken literally.
How can you ask 'what is this logos' when your entire belief system is based on it?
Thanks for this. It would never have crossed my mind!Maybe not to you... but I probably should not expect that you would make sense of it.
This--
When Jesus was crucified, Satan thought he had 'won.' That is, until the veil separating the Holy of Holies was torn from top to bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent, and the tombs were opened, etc. etc. And He rose from the dead.
So it stands to reason that the graphic crucifixion images and statuary are prevalent in the Catholic church, if for no other reason than to commemorate that part of the event. It is disrespectful because Jesus triumphed over the cross, and He is risen-- meaning, He is Alive-- yet they still drag the image of a dead man around, and continue to keep Him on display in that state. Its gruesome, imo. Regarding the preceding exchange, it was catty.
LINK
Satan would never have expected that God would go to such great lengths to love humans. Satan is a self-seeker. He is out for his own glory, and so, he expects everyone else to be also. He would have never expected God to glorify himself by hanging naked and bloody from a Cross (Jn. 17:1). This is antithetical to everything that Satan believes in, and it would have blindsided him to even consider. As C.S. Lewis’ fictional demonic character Screwtape writes to his fellow demon:
I slipped by mere carelessness into saying that the Enemy really loves the humans. That, of course, is an impossibility. He is one being, they are distinct from Him. Their good cannot be His. All His talk about Love must be a disguise for something else—He must have some real motive for creating them and taking so much trouble about them. The reason one comes to talk as if He really had this impossible Love is our utter failure to out that real motive. What does He stand to make out of them? That is the insoluble question. I do not see that it can do any harm to tell you that this very problem was a chief cause of Our Father’s quarrel with the Enemy. When the creation of man was first mooted and when, even at that stage, the Enemy freely confessed that he foresaw a certain episode about a cross, Our Father very naturally sought an interview and asked for an explanation. The Enemy gave no reply except to produce the cock-and-bull story about disinterested love which He has been circulating ever since. This Our Father naturally could not accept. He implored the Enemy to lay His cards on the table, and gave Him every opportunity. He admitted that he felt a real anxiety to know the secret; the Enemy replied “I wish with all my heart that you did”. It was, I imagine, at this stage in the interview that Our Father’s disgust at such an unprovoked lack of confidence caused him to remove himself an infinite distance from the Presence with a suddenness which has given rise to the ridiculous enemy story that he was forcibly thrown out of Heaven. Since then, we have begun to see why our Oppressor was so secretive. His throne depends on the secret. Members of His faction have frequently admitted that if ever we came to understand what He means by Love, the war would be over and we should reenter Heaven. And there lies the great task. We know that He cannot really love: nobody can: it doesn’t make sense. If we could only find out what He is really up to! Hypothesis after hypothesis has been tried, and still we can’t find out. Yet we must never lose hope; more and more complicated theories, fuller and fuller collections of data, richer rewards for researchers who make progress, more and more terrible punishments for those who fail—all this, pursued and accelerated to the very end of time, cannot, surely, fail to succeed.[4]