Last entry for you tonight - the bible gives the answers to your questions about Paradise. Like I said, keyword Heaven on biblegateway.com and take it from there.Which professional sources? And regarding what?
You can't even explain what your paradise is.
I only discovered the book today, and this thread was the absolute perfect one to put it on. Both non Muslims and Muslims should find it MOST interesting....Have you read the book? You brought it up, you should be the one giving the critical analysis.
Or Did you post about the book without reading it? Aw its not good to use things are "proof" or "sources" which you know nothing about.
I bet that was typed with your nose in the air, pursed lips, and wagging every finger simultaneously in sync with those sighs of exasperation...Yes, Monty Python would see the humor in how narrow the worldview you are displaying is. Not only that, they would see the humor in how hypocritical you are towards us, and uncritical you are with your Bible, which you expect everybody to just accept as fact without even providing any logical reasons to accept anything written within it's pages.
Again, start defending your Bible:Good night.
And I told you that all it says is that you get to meet God and like Haich said too what after that? Is it even a literal place? Do you just sit and talk? What about an afterlife?Last entry for you tonight - the bible gives the answers to your questions about Paradise. Like I said, keyword Heaven on biblegateway.com and take it from there
You shouldn't post about thing without reading them first just like posting videos without watching them doesn't really work. Red always looks into stuff before he posts them.I only discovered the book today, and this thread was the absolute perfect one to put it on. Both non Muslims and Muslims should find it MOST interesting....
You should be happy I found it for you Manama. It is a banned book. Amazon and several other bookstores are too scared to sell it- I wonder why?
Yes, Ctrl + V is something I learnt very early on when I first used a computer. Tell me a chapter of the synoptics and I'll quote it for you.Matthew 10 (RSRV)
I posted the thread up to consider the claims @friend made about the RSV being superior to other Bible versions and the claim that the Qur’an is 100% preserved from the words of Muhammad.Yes, Ctrl + V is something I learnt very early on when I first used a computer. Tell me a chapter of the synoptics and I'll quote it for you.
Your lack of even providing commentary for it, proves either you are spamming the thread, or you missed this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/favorite-bible-verses.51/
The thread title is clearly not only about the Qur'an, it is about the Bible as well. "The reliability of Christian....text...".
I have been reading your responses as well and I find it interesting that your basic style is “robust opposition”, strawman and ad-hominem. Why you believe I would wish to engage in an intelligent nuanced discussion of Christian theology with you is puzzling to me. Your sheer contempt for the Christian Faith makes meaningful exchanges difficult.The thread title is clearly not only about the Qur'an, it is about the Bible as well. "The reliability of Christian....text...".
This thread is open for any criticisms of the Bible. You can sling all the mud you want at the Qur'an but your Bible is in much more murkier water and you know this, and you continuously make it more and more clear (like your colleagues) by refusing to defend it in any way.
Considering you come down to simple notions like "just have faith" as your answer, you loose out in your very premise. See, you're not able to look at your own text critically (despite titling the thread what you have). This is a problem that you are clearly having problems recognizing. What we find is that your faith is entirely built up on an unstable house of cards, you have nothing but confidence in a cultural prop known as the Bible. You do not accept it on rational grounds, nor even spiritual grounds, your trap is emotional enticement. Purely emotional, nothing substantial. What you are doing will not find you truth.
This is your opinion, you can't know for sure whether it is true or not. Whether I like or dislike Christianity on the other hand, has no baring on whether the "Christian texts" are "reliable" or not, as the thread title states.sheer contempt for the Christian Faith
Yes, the Christians of VC indeed make this difficult. Hence I tell it how it is. Your arrogance and spite is like yogurt to me.meaningful exchanges difficult.
I'm all ears.If you want to proceed by attending to the issues of textual integrity of the Bible
Continuing and concluding the overview of Dan’s Brubaker’s initial publication then:-I'm all ears.
Nope, you're here to defend the "reliability of Christian texts" as we agreed to above. I don't care about your little emotions. If the Bible is reliable, then it's reliable, if it's not then it's not.Continuing and concluding the overview of Dan’s Brubaker’s initial publication then:-
It is not that your attacks on the Bible are too hard, it is simply that they are too wide. Answering one question at a time is fine, attempting to demand answers to ten reminds me of how nursery teachers must feel!If your only defense of the Bible is to throw out a lazy attack on the Qur'an (taking Jay Smith as a source says a lot about you too), speaks volumes about how you have no defense for the Bible. Not surprised by now, not at all.
I agree Haich - I think if genuine issues are isolated and dealt with clearly we would have a more informed and interesting discussion.Frustrations are clearly growing so guys let's keep it polite. I myself grew tired of JoChris' tone and snapped so I do apologise for my conduct in that regard.
I think the Christians need to understand that the muslim mind won't accept faith or sheer belief as an answer or response to some of the issues posed. We need clarity and when something doesn't make sense to us, it's not that we are playing religion wars or holding christianity in contempt, we are actually trying to make sense of what you believe. I'm sure Christians themselves would be the first to admit that there are challenging concepts (as in challenging our intellect and logic) to grapple with and a lot of ambiguous and abstract ideas which people are just expected to understand and accept.
You need to be able to explain your faith and apparent contradictions in the bible with clarity or else you wont have a leg to stand on when discussing.
It doesn't help when JoChris and Lisa post 'passionate' posts generalizing muslims and vehemently denying any explanation or evidence given!I agree Haich - I think if genuine issues are isolated and dealt with clearly we would have a more informed and interesting discussion.