"The muslim trinity"

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https://www.learnreligions.com/major-and-minor-prophets-old-testament-4048175 then there is the most recent of Prophet Muhammad (A.S.), Ali (Pbuh), plus all the many amazing saints and sages in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
I haven’t really dived to much to into Muhammad’s teachings. I’ll stand by the one God only belief though.

Saints & sages I disagree with. In my opinion it feels like false idol worship type of rule. Just cause it seems like there are prayers/shrines dedicated to some of them.
 

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Nobody. Jesus was the example of how to live.
Not hard to comprehend that
If no other human could truly live out the word of God, then is Jesus merely a human? Don't you think He is more special than just simply an example to live by? He claimed to have the word of Eternal Life, what do you think about that coming from the only person that able to lived out the word of God.
 
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I haven’t really dived to much to into Muhammad’s teachings. I’ll stand by the one God only belief though.
Well you have a good start at least.

Saints & sages I disagree with. In my opinion it feels like false idol worship type of rule.
Saints & Sages are the exemplary people in religious history that demonstrate in various ways an encapsulation of following God, often to the extreme (such as many who have been martyred in all three religions). You are supposed to learn from their wisdom in commentary to the scriptures and aim for the same kind of selflessness yourself.
 
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If no other human could truly live out the word of God
Evidence please?


Christian logic is that YHWH would give Moses and the Israelites something to follow that he knew they knowingly couldn't follow (turning YHWH into a trickster deity, which is ridiculous). Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
 
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He claimed to have the word of Eternal Life
This is a non-starter when Jesus wasn't the first Prophet, the whole entire Old Testament (Tanakh) precedes him. YHWH alone gives salvation in the Torah, no exceptions. Your interpretation is flawed.

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I haven’t really dived to much to into Muhammad’s teachings. I’ll stand by the one God only belief though.

Saints & sages I disagree with. In my opinion it feels like false idol worship type of rule. Just cause it seems like there are prayers/shrines dedicated to some of them.
To compare Muhammad against other famous philosophers, worldviews and religions, here is a great place to start.
And yes, they give every single reference for what Muslims will predictably claim are lies/ attempt to explain away. (Muslims, they are from your Islamic texts - If you do not believe them you are not a true Muslim).


 
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To compare Muhammad against other famous philosophers
And you would trust a widely read person such as myself has.

What have you read JoChris? have you ever read any Socrates? Aristotle? Pythagoras? Plato? Aurelius? Epicurus? Archimedes Heraclitus? how does Jesus compare to them?
How about some Avicenna? al-Ghazali? al-Farabi? al-Kindi? al-Biruni? Ibn Arabi? Ibn Hazm? Mulla Sadra? al-Amili?
How about some Acharya Hemachandra? Adishankara? Akka Mahadevi? Asvaghosa? Jiddu Krishnamurti? Madhvacharya?

How much have you read @JoChris? let us know all the details, everyone wants to know.

And yes, they give every single reference for what Muslims will predictably claim are lies/ attempt to explain away.
Being dismissive towards the party you are making allegations against, does not make you correct, it only makes you ignorant. The truth is that you have no arguments, you just plagiarize from David Wood and Christian Prince, because you do not think for yourself, you've repeatedly shown a disdain towards logic and reason. When you are refuted again and again for everything you say, yet continue to be dismissive and don't even acknowledge any responses tells a lot about you personally and your motives on this forum.

I would note for readers of this thread that such behavior in accordance with a very obsessively Islamophobic worldview at the root of her beliefs as a Christian indicate some severe mental problems which should be approached with a therapist, not an internet forum. I would advise those who deal with people like this in real life to try to get people such into a clinic where they can be treated professionally.
 
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Fundamentally Christians have very very weak polemics that shoot themselves in their own faces most of the time. The only technique these Christians have is to out-right lie to our faces and hurl abuse, insults, and all the kind of defamation you can imagine. Christians are about dehumanizing other people, this is the way missionaries work.
If a Christian was to accurately represent their opponent, then they would have no rhetorical points for trying to pretend they have any truth. It is all just a game they play to pretend that they are better than others.

JoChris has no care in her heart for Muslims, nor for other Christians, she will drag others down to hell like the venomous serpent she is. Only the righteous shall inherit the kingdom, not the liars and boasters, nor the mockers and scoffers, not the hypocrites and workers of wicked ways. May the wrath of God consume those who lie and deceive. May Jesus' sanctity be restored from these deviant pagans who defecate over his name and legacy. May the true God of the heavens and the earth receive full praise, and the satanic hounds that pretend to be "Christians" on this forum be expunged, may their demons be purged from their hearts and may they seek the blessings of the one true God.
 

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The only thing JoChris and other Christians like him/her can read and mildly understand are Sesame Street books otherwise how else could you explain their twisted beliefs in believing 3 gods in 1 when nowhere in the Bible does it state that.

JoChris, I'm still waiting on your answers in regards to the forgeries in your Bible that you haven't responded to.

I'm sure that people who have read this can deduce that certain Christians on here can't attack the religion from a logical and monotheistic point of view so instead they ask questions such as "why did the prophet wash semen off his clothes?". But yet in their own Bible, God's word supposedly, talks about donkey genitals and horse emissions. And no, that verse is not about washing clothes lol. And they say the Bible is child friendly. Our prophet talks about cleanliness and their god talks about porn but yet these hypocritical Christians have the audacity to come to Muslims and ask why Muhammad washed his clothes.
 
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There are plenty of academic christians, we are not scholars, this is a conspiracy website, and frankly if you have what you believe is a scholarly knowledge that infinityloop claims they have, coming here to "debate" and flaunting all this "knowledge" is really like me going and playing football against children and thinking im a premier league player. So you are well read? It doesnt mean you are right, we've had some great posters here who would have wiped the floor with you - in terms of "academic arguments" In truth its all really not that complicated. But when you are twisting scripture to fit your perverse views I guess you have to bamboozle people by quoting how much you know. Dont know why you are expecting people to have the length of knowledge a scholar would have, knowing original texts etc, the vast majority don't it doesnt mean they dont understand theology and fundamental doctrines. BTW, most of us who have been here for the many incarnations of this forum have heard infinityloops "arguments" before, and the others, and Ive seen them be destroyed by posters like Recure, Daciple, Scar... and others. And apart from recure the rest weren't particularly versed in "philosophy and theology". Its getting kinda boring now anyway, Im not going to let muslims that jump into every positive thread get me to rise to them anymore, but lets not point the finger here, and say christians are hateful or attacking muslims, they come into nearly every thread particularly infinityloop who comes like a Jehova witness to evangelise everything antichristian in every thread, and keeps posting mocking religious memes, practice what you preach, when you're being a hyprocrite. peace.
 

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This being a conspiracy site doesn't change the fact that you are talking nonsense. If you aren't a scholar and don't know your religions, don't start the said "debates" in the first place.
 
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This being a conspiracy site doesn't change the fact that you are talking nonsense. If you aren't a scholar and don't know your religions, don't start the said "debates" in the first place.
nobody here is a scholar, you must all stop posting in religion according to your logic, ive made plenty of points in the debate, theres no critique of islam you wouldnt find nonsense, apparently. Lol. Which is ridiculous but hey, its cool for you to criticize christianity right? And Ive made points that nobody has an answer for.

Who said I dont know my religions, you mean I dont know your interpretation and bias rebuttals? It doesnt change the fact, just like you dislike david wood, it doesnt change the points he makes, show the mass contradictions in Islam, and Muhammads lacking theology and morality. And if there is a fair critique, it seems all you can do is deflect onto christianity, and made up theories about Joseph and Mary, which has no substance in the Bible.
 
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This being a conspiracy site doesn't change the fact that you are talking nonsense. If you aren't a scholar and don't know your religions, don't start the said "debates" in the first place.
No wonder you accept islam, learn to question regardless of your indoctrinated heirachies, or just keep listening to your imam and what he tells you to think.
 

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There are plenty of academic christians, we are not scholars, this is a conspiracy website, and frankly if you have what you believe is a scholarly knowledge that infinityloop claims they have, coming here to "debate" and flaunting all this "knowledge" is really like me going and playing football against children and thinking im a premier league player. So you are well read? It doesnt mean you are right, we've had some great posters here who would have wiped the floor with you - in terms of "academic arguments" In truth its all really not that complicated. But when you are twisting scripture to fit your perverse views I guess you have to bamboozle people by quoting how much you know. Dont know why you are expecting people to have the length of knowledge a scholar would have, knowing original texts etc, the vast majority don't it doesnt mean they dont understand theology and fundamental doctrines. BTW, most of us who have been here for the many incarnations of this forum have heard infinityloops "arguments" before, and the others, and Ive seen them be destroyed by posters like Recure, Daciple, Scar... and others. And apart from recure the rest weren't particularly versed in "philosophy and theology". Its getting kinda boring now anyway, Im not going to let muslims that jump into every positive thread get me to rise to them anymore, but lets not point the finger here, and say christians are hateful or attacking muslims, they come into nearly every thread particularly infinityloop who comes like a Jehova witness to evangelise everything antichristian in every thread, and keeps posting mocking religious memes, practice what you preach, when you're being a hyprocrite. peace.
Neither of the posters you named have been able to make sense of the Trinity. And no, not one of them wiped the floor of anything except maybe their own tears when they realized deep down that they're polytheists.

I know you know deep down that Islam is the truth. Come into the light it won't hurt you. If anything you'll be free of confusion.
 
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Neither of the posters you named have been able to make sense of the Trinity. And no, not one of them wiped the floor of anything except maybe their own tears when they realized deep down that their polytheists.

I know you know deep down that Islam is the truth. Come into the light it won't hurt you. If anything you'll be free of confusion.
Nah man, anyway I made the mistake of getting too caught up in this debate again, and letting it get heated. But no to me Islam is not the truth. I think the biggest difference is our concept of God.

I think of God as personal, and all loving - Muslims tend to have this view of an emphasis beyond anything else God is ALL powerful and distant. Islam is about submission to God - which again represents this view of God as this being so beyond us - there is an anecdote of one muslim, saying how we are like ants to God, and us being God's friend is like us being friends with the Ants, thats not how I view God.

Like the way he doesnt really get involved in human affairs, and how beneath him we are, and I can see why some of these concepts are really attractive, even unitarianism, there is a real attraction to the simplicity. But I think God, is personal, and I think he is loving to the point of loving the sinner, where as Islam tells us Allah does not love the unbeliever nor the sinner. And Jesus spoke about this kind of love.


Matthew 5:46-48

46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Gods love should be the highest form of love, not on the same level of typical human love. I see God as the most loving being. Allah to me doesn't represent that at all, so no I don't think Islam is the truth, but I do see an attraction to some concepts!
 
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