The islamisation of the west

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"Inviting dreamers"? The only dreamers he's interested in are from predominantly white countries, hence the shithole comment.
It's not even a fact that Trump actually said these words. Try caring about more important issues, like trying to figure out why people are leaving one country to join another (probably not because the destined country is worse).
 





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I might not be French, but I watch a decent amount of French media and Rokhaya Diallo, the "anti-racist" lady from the first article is a huge anti-white racist bashing les français de souche at every opportunity. When her mission is to "change the perception of the French people of themselves, that they are no longer a white and Christian country" you don't have to look further why French people don't like her. How much would a self-proclaimed antiracist be liked in a majority Arab and Muslim country telling them that their country no longer is Arab and Muslim?
 





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It's not even a fact that Trump actually said these words. Try caring about more important issues, like trying to figure out why people are leaving one country to join another (probably not because the destined country is worse).
Yes it's a fact. It's been confirmed by multiple sources.
 





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It's been denied by multiple sources, doesn't prove it. There's even acknowledgment rising that he said "shithouse countries" instead. Whatever he said, it's really of little significance and blown way out of proportion.
 





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It really ought to be asked whether the gnostic literature that has been uncovered since 1945 belongs to the original gnosticism or if it's from dissident sects of gnosticism. We can see from the writings of Eric Voegelin how people used to assess it before the Nag Hammadi library; they relied on the testimony of the Church Fathers and on secondary commentaries.

Afaik the current forms of gnosticism deny the material basis for consciousness, abhors the whole material existence, and instead of completely rejecting the existence of Jehovah, they keep him alive as the Demiurge.

I prefer to incline myself to the writings of Marcion, although he wasn't a gnostic apparently.
Well, there is also pre-Christian Gnosticism, which was mostly Egyptian and revolved around Hermetism. It was more about trying to figure out actual physical principles governing matter such as the 7 Hermetic Principles. I tend to focus more on that version of Gnosticism.
 





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It's been denied by multiple sources, doesn't prove it. There's even acknowledgment rising that he said "shithouse countries" instead. Whatever he said, it's really of little significance and blown way out of proportion.
At first they said they were "not aware" of Trump actually saying this, then they changed their story and said he didn't say it. Durbin was adamant about him saying it from the start. Are you accusing him of lying?

And no it's not blown out of proportion, Trump has a history of saying racist shit and this is not an isolated incident. You, like most Trump supporters, are just trying to find excuses.
 





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My agenda? What would that look like?
A white Christian Europe only. You might not admit it but deep down that's what you want.

Can you quit the straw man, please? I understand you're going after my moral integrity since I called you out on your immoral view, but you're being irrational. I defended the ME based on moral principles, ie. the non-aggression principle and the right to self-determination. If you don't like that I apply the same to the actions and beliefs of other peoples and civilisations, then that's your problem.
Takes a jab at me and then when the jab is returned in kind you call out "foul". Sorry, that's not how it works.

There's also the aspect of empathy. This guilt complex among western people has manifested due to the feminisation of society and the accompanying increase of empathy. Not intrinsically a bad thing, but it's an explanation why western people participate more in collective self-criticism of failing to reach the standards they expect to achieve. People who empathise and self-criticise too much in the face of others who do not return the empathy are destined to lose. Moreover, people who empathise too much with other people are most vulnerable for exploitation and this is exactly what's happening. Other peoples with less to no empathy and self-criticism are exploiting the guilt complex of the more empathic peoples and are doing it in order to extract resources. It's a one-way stream and all groups are queuing up to hit that white guilt button like an ATM to get their handouts. It's one of the lowest, disrespectful and greediest forms of leeching and I literally despise anyone who participates in it.
I can agree with this. Would you say there needs to be a balance between masculinity and femininity within society in order for it to flourish? Or does there need to be a little more of one than the other?

Yet you still didn't mention any accomplishment. What values and what aspects of our lost culture?
Why are you so intent on me mentioning an accomplishment of the West when I've already stated that there have been many accomplishments by the West?

Modesty, good manners, being kind to your parents and taking care of them in their old age, acting your age, and etc. Instead we have pornography, alcoholism, drugs addicts, gambling addicts, promiscuity, celebrities, single parent homes, and etc.

I specifically said "not because of immigration alone", but immigration is the major factor that will make the change irreversible. Moral relativism is at the basis of decadence and the destruction of spiritual unity, but if we can reverse this and spread more philosophy and Christianity to people we could possibly restore what we've lost. But when you replace the people with a different philosophy and world view that does contain a universal moral code and is spiritually more united, that reversal becomes very unlikely.
Sorry to break it to you but with immigration or no immigration the Europe of old that you admire so much is gone just as the Muslim world of old which I admire is gone as well.

What research have you done to believe it is all propaganda?
Well it seems like all these "r*pe" cases come from the Alt-Right. That seems a little suspicious to me. No other media-outlet seems to be reporting on it and if it's such a big issue it would make it to at least one news outlet.

Didn't know it was that simple. I'll change my signature into "I Love Muslims" so we can finally argue the actual points without being distracted by emotions towards racism.
You don't need to lie so please don't put that in your signature. You should probably go more towards "I want a white only Europe".

I'm gonna need you to clear up the vagueness. What are you comparing? What do you mean with "in terms of modernity"'? What did the whites do that the Africans and Arabs did but on a larger scale?
The way the world looks now and what's happening in it is a direct result mostly from the actions of Europe and America through the acts of Colonialism and then Imperialism followed by the two World Wars. Conflict and wars. When it comes to those two whites take the cake on that one.

They controlled territories through expansion in which Arabs and other Semites lived and used Arabs as pawns and collateral damage in their conflicts with Rome.

Most Jews are integrated. They are almost everywhere on television and radio with most people being clueless that they're Jewish. If you're talking about the orthodox Jews, they are entitled to live as they wish since we live in a secular society with freedom of religion. They are not becoming such a large part of the population that our society is turning Jewish. Neither do these Jews want our society to become Jewish since Jewishness is an ethno-religious elitarian identity that they are not keen on sharing. If you're going to continue with false equivalence, just let it drop. Take a plane to Luton, Malmö or Molenbeek and check it out for yourself, since you're clearly arguing from a place of ignorance.
Okay, but my point still stands which is that white Europeans are hypocrites. They want Muslims to integrate but say nothing to the Jews that have their own police, laws, and customs within a EUROPEAN country. Muslims living in England don't care about others converting to Islam they just want to live their lives without all the hypocrisy. The only person arguing from a place of ignorance is yourself. You fail to see the plain hypocrisy within white European communities. Jews have their own country within white European nations and get nothing said to them while Muslims can't even wear what they want without being told that they have to integrate or get out. It's a very simple issue yet you're dancing around it trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

It is not that simple. You're not taking into account that this migration into the West is desired by Soros-like individuals and organisations and politicians go along with the current because of this toxic age of political correctness, voter gaining and the welfare state which expands the reach of government. The replacement of the native populations of Europe is designed and coming to fruition as we speak.

From the godfather of the European Union:

"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation."

Practical Idealism, Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, 1925
Would you say that they bomb to smithereens Arab lands and the lands they don't bomb they destabilize through proxy wars and governments, all in order to give Arabs no choice but to immigrate which then the elite give them access into Europe? This would allow Israel to easily conquer the lands they want and at the same time destabilize Europe?

Right now the Red Cross is picking up migrants in Libya by plane. They used to be transferred with one of the many NGO ferry services in the Mediterranean, until both the Italian and Libyan governments accused those NGOs of human trafficking. They were caught exchanging equipment with actual smugglers, but anyone with half a brain already knew that they were at least facilitating human trafficking. And I'm not sure if you're really trying to understand my point. I've said on numerous occasions that this migration wave is largely not organic, but organised, with the specific purpose to replace the native population and further dechristianise western civilisation. Am I not explaining it well?
This would not have been possible if NATO didn't bomb them to smithereens. Refer to my reply to the above and we'll move from there depending on what your thoughts are on that.

If you want me to ignore that question you wouldn't have posted it. And again, it's not about accepting scholarly peer reviewed works, but about facts. There are scholarly peer reviewed works that contradict each other. If you can't bring up facts than just admit that. If you can, show them instead of complaining about me not accepting your theories.
Here are the facts. A black man with a similar history and record serves longer jail sentences for the exact same crime than a white man. That's racism plain and simple. I've shown this already and you had nothing to say a while back on the previous iteration of these forums. There's simply too much information and hence an abundant amount of peer reviewed articles that state this. We can go through the gymnastics again where I provide the facts and you'll either ignore it or say it's false without giving a proper reason as to why. Here:

"Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders."

"Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing."

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

Is the US Sentencing Commission also looking for a handout in all of this white guilt business and therefore not accept their findings?


That's not how it works. They are estimates based on casualties and displacements of peoples. They're not gonna take polls in jihadi territory.
Estimates is right. The whole region is a war zone so please don't throw me surveys in a region where people are dying, looking for food, and running away from bombs as if they were some kind of legitimate findings. As of now the only thing we know about the ME is that it's a cluster of a mess that has been bombed to death by America and it's allies.

Say it as it is then. I can tell that you think I'm a racist, since you even think rainerann is a racist, but truth be told, if I was a neutral and objective newcomer to this forum, void of indoctrination, I'd single you out as the biggest racist in this thread. You will defend any position that accuses whites (not ideology or phenomena) but the actual white race and deflect any negative commentary that is directed to non-white ideologies or trends. And I don't care what people think racism is, they've raped that word sideways that it has lost all meaning.
Rainerann is definitely a racist but that's because she isn't too bright and exposes herself in fits of annoyance or anger. With you it's a little different but I'm not going to get into it now. Denying facts about black people getting longer sentences for the exact same crime while their history and records are similar is pretty suspect to me. You seem to go to any lengths in trying to show that racism doesn't exist within the West when there have been overwhelming data and peer reviewed research to go contrary to your view.

Trying to deflect and label me as the racist won't help your cause. Of course, the likely racist would try to turn it around and label me as the racist. The majority of America (which is white) supported the Iraq invasion according to Gallop so am I wrong in saying that the majority of white people in America are responsible for the death of innocent Arabs based off of complete lies?

A likely racist saying that the word "racism" has lost all meaning is predictable don't you think?
 





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Been a reader of the site for a while, just now commenting for the first time. I have to say, the behavior and attitudes displayed by the so-called "Muslims" on this site are so unfortunate, yet predictable. Kung Fool here is among the very worst examples. I guess we should be thankful that the self-proclaimed champion of female morality & regulation finally ditched his avatar pic that wasnt compliant with the "navel to knees" rule and therefore stopped showcasing his "physique" thru selfies eh?

The rhetoric spewed by Muslims here is pretty much par-for-the-course of what you can expect to receive from them offsite as well:
- We never did anything to anyone (borderline blasphemy, only God almighty is perfect)
- The West and white people are to blame for the situations in our nations, not us ourselves as cognizant, sentient human beings
- Look at what the Jewish people are doing
- Whenever our people lash out and harm others, its all fake-news, dis-info and false flags. If there is too much overwhelming evidence, the person was either crazy or driven crazy by white people and western morals
- Statistics dont count, unless they support my position
- its my right to be on/in your (non-Muslims) land and I demand EVERY social welfare benefit available, even if it has no merit or meaning to my case. However, my lands should be able to hold non-Muslims to (totally compromised) Islamic standards in our nations, standards which we clearly and obviously dont uphold ourselves. When its convenient or beneficial to me. If it benefits me to totally sell out my "unwavering" Islamic principals, I can do so in an instant. My own religious laws, rules & morals actually dont really apply to me if Im dealing with a non- Muslim. Or a Muslim if they are "different" from me for that matter.
- I hold completely contrary positions on how females should be treated and what their rights are. When its convenient, I point out the problems and failures of modern culture and lament how superior Sharia is at affording their rights. Yet I fail to offer for dialog the fact that there is NO Muslim nation in the world where true Sharia is practiced and that its compromised, faulty implementation in Muslim nations is mainly utilized as a tool for subjugation of the masses in order to prop up our corrupt regimes. Dont worry, as soon as I want to satisfy my nuffs and indulge in haram, I can easily discard my notions of moral grandeur. But truly, please dont worry, because I will vacillate between demanding acceptance for my Islamic tenants (which I dont follow myself) and demanding that you allow me to engage in behavior that is unacceptable to anyone else, anywhere in the world.

I could go on and on but this is where I will close for now. And before the chorus starts signing how wrong, racist and ignorant I am.... I am a person of color who has reverted to Islam over 10 years ago. This is what I see from these people. There is virtually no way forward with them. The born-and-bred Muslim and their children are the curse of humanity. Which is so disheartening being as TRUE Islam is the gift which can save humanity by the bounty and mercy which can only come from the Lord almighty, who we call Allah. So maybe you born-and-breds arent so important, so needed or necessary to humanity. You certainly arent needed by Allah. It is us, the created, who needs our Rubb, not the other way around.
 





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I could go on and on but this is where I will close for now. And before the chorus starts signing how wrong, racist and ignorant I am.... I am a person of color who has reverted to Islam over 10 years ago. This is what I see from these people. There is virtually no way forward with them. The born-and-bred Muslim and their children are the curse of humanity. Which is so disheartening being as TRUE Islam is the gift which can save humanity by the bounty and mercy which can only come from the Lord almighty, who we call Allah. So maybe you born-and-breds arent so important, so needed or necessary to humanity. You certainly arent needed by Allah. It is us, the created, who needs our Rubb, not the other way around.
Who were you on the last iteration of these boards?

Also, cry me a river lol.
 





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"Who were you on the last iteration of these boards?"
I clearly stated in my first post that these are literally my first postings here. I recall the boards undergoing maintenance before but I never had an account with VC so the forum restructuring had little effect on my enjoyment of this website.

"Also, cry me a river lol"
Thats a fine example of why you people are such losers. You cause so much pain, you ruin so many lives. And when its expressed to you by someone you should be treating as your brother, you proceed with cold hearted mocking. Allah has put a seal on your hearts and a curse on your brains. Think Im lying? Ok, tell me the ONE Muslim nation that actually operates as a functioning state. Go ahead and name us all ONE if you can. You cant. And before you start up with more "look at what the white people and western nations have done to us" histrionics, Islam is the very thing that SAFEGUARDS against oppression from other nations. An example would be how the Philippines has every right to decry their treatment at the hands of outsiders. They have every right to rally the world cause to their aid as they are the victims of oppression at the hands of outsiders. Indonesia is right next door. They have no excuse. They have Islamic knowledge, but like you, they pervert it and now their situation is compromised. Ok, too difficult? Name me ONE mosque in a non-Muslim land that doesn't have to tell its worshipers EVERY FRIDAY to drive right, park correctly and dont hassle the neighbors. Its possible there is one in exsitance, perhaps some small Ahmidiyya community or something, but every Sunni mosque I have encountered is the same. A den of filth, lies, bad behavior and the perversion of the faith of Islam.
 





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"Who were you on the last iteration of these boards?"
I clearly stated in my first post that these are literally my first postings here. I recall the boards undergoing maintenance before but I never had an account with VC so the forum restructuring had little effect on my enjoyment of this website.
I don't believe you. I believe you're either someone from the previous iteration of the boards who didn't like me or a sock account of a poster that already exists who doesn't like. Those are the two most likely scenarios. Not that I really care but it does show how much of a coward you are hiding you're real identity.

"Also, cry me a river lol"
Thats a fine example of why you people are such losers. You cause so much pain, you ruin so many lives. And when its expressed to you by someone you should be treating as your brother, you proceed with cold hearted mocking. Allah has put a seal on your hearts and a curse on your brains. Think Im lying? Ok, tell me the ONE Muslim nation that actually operates as a functioning state. Go ahead and name us all ONE if you can. You cant. And before you start up with more "look at what the white people and western nations have done to us" histrionics, Islam is the very thing that SAFEGUARDS against oppression from other nations. An example would be how the Philippines has every right to decry their treatment at the hands of outsiders. They have every right to rally the world cause to their aid as they are the victims of oppression at the hands of outsiders. Indonesia is right next door. They have no excuse. They have Islamic knowledge, but like you, they pervert it and now their situation is compromised. Ok, too difficult? Name me ONE mosque in a non-Muslim land that doesn't have to tell its worshipers EVERY FRIDAY to drive right, park correctly and dont hassle the neighbors. Its possible there is one in exsitance, perhaps some small Ahmidiyya community or something, but every Sunni mosque I have encountered is the same. A den of filth, lies, bad behavior and the perversion of the faith of Islam.
Take it easy it's just the internet lol. Considering how angry you are with Sunnis I would say you're either a Shia or Ahmidiyya. Regardless, take it easy my man life is too short to be angry all the time. Just follow whatever religion you think is cool.

Peace be upon you :D
 





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I don't believe you. I believe you're either someone from the previous iteration of the boards who didn't like me or a sock account of a poster that already exists who doesn't like. Those are the two most likely scenarios. Not that I really care but it does show how much of a coward you are hiding you're real identity.
Well aint that a convenient contention for you there sparky! Thats what you do on most of these threads with most of your comments, you play yourself smooth out of position, then when you are called on it, you offer up convenient fantasies that allow you to operate within your living lie. fantasies which you never quantify. You cant quantify your claims. because they are fantasies and lies. Hey genius, the site owner can surely check the IP address' among other info. Its not a conspiracy or mystery..... I have just finally had enough of you peoples garbage rhetoric and outright lies, so here we are.



Take it easy it's just the internet lol. Considering how angry you are with Sunnis I would say you're either a Shia or Ahmidiyya. Regardless, take it easy my man life is too short to be angry all the time. Just follow whatever religion you think is cool.

Peace be upon you :D
Surprise surprise, here you are attempting to play off more of your more convenient fantasies as somesort of truth. Of course, you didnt respond to the meat and potatoes of my posts. Because you are in a lame, compromised position. Deny, deflect, lie.... its like rinse, wash and repeat with you people. Im angry at all of you born and breds sparky, not one particular sect because no matter how much you all scream and bellow that you are right, your really all the same. I follow the religion of my choice, so why would you contend that Im not a Muslim or "angry all the time" after reading two posts of mine? Everyone who reads your posts can see what a fraud and terrible person you are, its on full display with you.

To be honest, your behavior here represents such a vile characture of Muslims that I figured its possible you are a a sock-puppet account here trolling to agitate and foment ill will towards Muslims. But the arrogance/ignorance you revel in and the near constant, provocative nature you engage with others in (while usually being spectacularly wrong) lends me to believe you are actually a born-and-bred. You too wrong, too often in too much of an offensive, dramatic fashion for me to believe you are anything other than a born-and-bred.
 





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Surprise surprise, here you are attempting to play off more of your more convenient fantasies as somesort of truth. Of course, you didnt respond to the meat and potatoes of my posts. Because you are in a lame, compromised position. Deny, deflect, lie.... its like rinse, wash and repeat with you people. Im angry at all of you born and breds sparky, not one particular sect because no matter how much you all scream and bellow that you are right, your really all the same. I follow the religion of my choice, so why would you contend that Im not a Muslim or "angry all the time" after reading two posts of mine? Everyone who reads your posts can see what a fraud and terrible person you are, its on full display with you.

To be honest, your behavior here represents such a vile characture of Muslims that I figured its possible you are a a sock-puppet account here trolling to agitate and foment ill will towards Muslims. But the arrogance/ignorance you revel in and the near constant, provocative nature you engage with others in (while usually being spectacularly wrong) lends me to believe you are actually a born-and-bred. You too wrong, too often in too much of an offensive, dramatic fashion for me to believe you are anything other than a born-and-bred.
There was nothing of substance to reply to. When you're in a better state of mind and when you come clean on who you are instead of cowering behind a new username or sock puppet account come back and I can school you on whatever you need schooling in. Until then lol:

 





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There was nothing of substance to reply to. When you're in a better state of mind and when you come clean on who you are instead of cowering behind a new username or sock puppet account come back and I can school you on whatever you need schooling in. Until then lol:

Again, the website owner should easily be able to put your fears to bed that I am some boogeyman, haunting you from the sites previous forums incarnation lol

As for the rest, its similar to so many of your other interactions with people on here.... just convenient contentions and lies to support your fallacies, combined with your obviously desperate attempts to avoid the substance of others dialog.

Its also telling that you consider the foul behavior of Muslims a joke. But then again, most of your posts are jokes.... the kind nobody laughs at.
 





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So I received a notice that you replied to me but your comment seems to be directed at a different poster. Im open to dialog but perhaps you replied to the wrong individual.
 





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Lol that meme I have to use that somewhere...
It's good to use when you know they have their panties in a twist over such trivial things. They get all mad on forums thinking they're tough but if it was face-to-face they wouldn't utter a word.
 





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Again, the website owner should easily be able to put your fears to bed that I am some boogeyman, haunting you from the sites previous forums incarnation lol

As for the rest, its similar to so many of your other interactions with people on here.... just convenient contentions and lies to support your fallacies, combined with your obviously desperate attempts to avoid the substance of others dialog.

Its also telling that you consider the foul behavior of Muslims a joke. But then again, most of your posts are jokes.... the kind nobody laughs at.
If you had something of worth to say I would reply but all you have been doing is throwing ad hominems my way and rambling on about nothing. How am I supposed to reply to those kind of posts?