The Four Horses of the Apocalypses

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1.) God blessed Ishmael so much that he agreed with Sarah to send him and his mother away...and he wasn’t included in the covenant with Abraham...

That’s funny..his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him isn’t negative? You are just being disingenuous now.

2.) God agrees that Sarah is right in sending Hagar away..but since she cried out to God then He took pity on her and her son.

You can think the Bible is taking an islamic bent but that’s not the truth...the OT is about God’s chosen people the Jews through Issac and Jacob..Ishmael was sent away.You should try to deal with that.

3.) I wonder whyI attribute violence to muslims...hmmm...why could that be? o ya..


4.) I’ll have to think about where to find the verse that talks about the romans being helped by the people that were living in the area when they destroyed the temple.

You haven’t exposed Christianity at all..just keep rambling on about things you don’t understand.

Catholicism is satanic. I don’t celebrate easter or christmas nor do I worship on Sundays only..I pray and worship everyday.

Lol..if you have to say you won...

5.) You should study what I said..

6.) lol...they have to be connected because they both went out to the wilderness? Is that your bottom line theology? And you think you’re really schooling me?

I won't respond to all of your post but let me just remind you of a few things.

God BLESSED Ishmael....that's actually flipping written....and you have pissed on that with your negative interpretation eg "not included in the covenant".

Actually there are different covenants...the covenant of the flesh given to Abraham and all his decendants.. ishmael is part of that.

The other covenant is to Isaac. Not Abraham specifically. Go read genesis 17 again and pay attention.


That is not even a slight against Ishmael and this is really about Jesus Christ anyway...since we later know that there is only a small remnant who are part of Isaac in spirit.

The covenant of the flesh is as I said a diff covenant that tells us anyone who isn't circumcised ..will be cut off. So ironically xtianity is not part of the covenant of the flesh given to Abraham (but that's okay...since you're supposed to be connected to Isaac ..although I know for sure you're really not on account of your lack of connection to Jesus .on account of the pagan stuff you follow).


As for Hagar...again the text actually says she was mistreated by Sarah.

” Then Sarai mistreated(M) Hagar; so she fled from her.


If you can't even get this right...what are you here for? Such a joke poster you are.

You only had one book and can't even quote it right? I'm a Muslim and know it better than you.
You are pissing on the book every time.

So catholicism is satanic...but their theology...the trinity which comes from the Catholic church (the Nicene creed) is correct? The same church that gave you Xmas Easter and Sunday...and your church clearly follows those things if you claim you don't.
Comical stuff Lisa.

You asked how violence can be good? Maybe look at the brutality in the OT then right? But if you paid attention I even linked that to isaiah 42's new song prophecy.
God: I will march like a warrior with zeal..
That implies violence. The OT is full of violence as I said and yet itsislam you wish to talk about in that regard and that too in a post colonial context lmao...after 2 of the bloodiest wars in human history fought by your own people.
Lol you joke or a poster.

Yeh you ignored much of what I highlighted because it's too strong for you to handle. Too much truth in one post.
 

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I won't respond to all of your post but let me just remind you of a few things.

God BLESSED Ishmael....that's actually flipping written....and you have pissed on that with your negative interpretation eg "not included in the covenant".

Actually there are different covenants...the covenant of the flesh given to Abraham and all his decendants.. ishmael is part of that.

The other covenant is to Isaac. Not Abraham specifically. Go read genesis 17 again and pay attention.


That is not even a slight against Ishmael and this is really about Jesus Christ anyway...since we later know that there is only a small remnant who are part of Isaac in spirit.

The covenant of the flesh is as I said a diff covenant that tells us anyone who isn't circumcised ..will be cut off. So ironically xtianity is not part of the covenant of the flesh given to Abraham (but that's okay...since you're supposed to be connected to Isaac ..although I know for sure you're really not on account of your lack of connection to Jesus .on account of the pagan stuff you follow).


As for Hagar...again the text actually says she was mistreated by Sarah.

” Then Sarai mistreated(M) Hagar; so she fled from her.


If you can't even get this right...what are you here for? Such a joke poster you are.

You only had one book and can't even quote it right? I'm a Muslim and know it better than you.
You are pissing on the book every time.

So catholicism is satanic...but their theology...the trinity which comes from the Catholic church (the Nicene creed) is correct? The same church that gave you Xmas Easter and Sunday...and your church clearly follows those things if you claim you don't.
Comical stuff Lisa.

You asked how violence can be good? Maybe look at the brutality in the OT then right? But if you paid attention I even linked that to isaiah 42's new song prophecy.
God: I will march like a warrior with zeal..
That implies violence. The OT is full of violence as I said and yet itsislam you wish to talk about in that regard and that too in a post colonial context lmao...after 2 of the bloodiest wars in human history fought by your own people.
Lol you joke or a poster.

Yeh you ignored much of what I highlighted because it's too strong for you to handle. Too much truth in one post.
No, I ignored a lot of what you posted because you are actually clueless when it comes to understanding the Bible. You see only what you want to see and nothing else.

Genesis‬ ‭21:9-12‬ ‭
Now Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, mocking. Therefore she said to Abraham, “Drive out this maid and her son, for the son of this maid shall not be an heir with my son Isaac.” The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son. But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named.”
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God told Abraham it was ok to send Ishmael away because it wasn’t through Ishmael that the covenant was going through. The covenant that God would be the God of Abraham and that He would give Abraham a certain piece of land forever. Ishmael wasn’t part of that covenant...He was sent away.

Genesis‬ ‭17:2-8, 15-19‬ ‭​
I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly.” Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying, “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name. I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her. Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.” Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Will a child be born to a man one hundred years old? And will Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child? ” And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!” But God said, “No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.


And yep..God did say this about Ishmael..
Genesis‬ ‭17:20‬ ‭
As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.​


‭‭”The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son.” Which is why God decided to also make Ishmael a great nation but notice that Ishmael didn’t get more than that..and...he gets this said about him too..which you like to think is a great thing and twist it around but it’s not really all that wonderful. Not only is he left out of the covenant with Abraham he is also going to be very anti social and violent with everyone. Everyone..think about that one for a bit. Aren’t muslims against non muslims? Aren’t muslims even against each other..Shia v Sunni? Would you call all that good? I wouldn’t. He doesn’t even get to live in the land..he’s to the East..but then again he was swnt

Genesis‬ ‭16:12‬ ‭
He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”​

God even goes on to say in the NT..

Galatians‬ ‭4:22-31‬ ‭​
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written, “REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.” And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say? “CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.” So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.”


Us Christians are grafted into the covenant though with Abraham..that’s also how Abraham gets so many descendents...and notice how God is able to graft them in again. And the only way Ishmael can be a part of the covenant is to be crafted in like I was ..and all Christians are..and you want to be part of this covenant..not the great nation you suppose your brothers and you to be..that way leads to death, not life.

Romans‬ ‭11:17-20, 23-24‬ ‭​
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith.

And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?


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‭‭Catholicism is a lie and from satan to deceive people away from God and it has worked for a long time but God wants to save people so He makes sure His actual word is given alongside the lie..people have a choice to make..the lie where they are in control or the truth where God is! Most people pick the lie..like you...

Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

We all must make the choice for ourselves and God will honor ‭‭that choice.
Daniel‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.​

‭‭and Jesus concurs..
Matthew‬ ‭25:46‬ ‭
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.​
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The world wars are part of prophecy..
Matthew‬ ‭24:6-8‬ ‭
You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.​
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Yes the Bible is filled with violence..however that’s not God’s fault but mans as we are all sinners..why was it God sent them flood?

Genesis‬ ‭6:5, 11-13‬ ‭​
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

‭Genesis‬ ‭8:20-21‬ ‭
Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.”​

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Genesis‬ ‭9:11-17‬ ‭​
I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations; I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
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THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
and
THE TWO WITNESSES





by JAH.


Before YOU can understand the TRUTH of the Bible Prophecies, which take up 2/3 of it, or anything similarly complex, you have to decide to be TOTALLY objective and analytical about the FACTS presented and not distracted by irrelevant "clap-trap" from organised religions and "holier than thou" theories. The Bible itself warns you NOT to be led by the "blind guides" of Organised Religions and politics (Isaiah 3 v 12-15) (Matt. 23 v 13, 16 & 24).

Like reading "blue-prints" or "electrical circuit-diagrams" there is some learning to be done & fortunately the instruction for this is in the Bible, and, as you might expect, some of it is coded to stop idiots interfering with the meaning. So it is IMPERATIVE to get the BEST translation - the new "King of kings' Bible" by JAH - Authorised by God; or use the previous best - the king James 1611 original, which is the only human-kingly Authorised Version and not modernised Satanically corrupted translations done by successive churches.

Let's take a look at some of the codes to get you started, so you may agree when you look up the chapter and verse, if you care to check it out.

SUN - The Throne of David - (Psalm 89 v 36) - which is the British Throne. The "Stone of Scone" is Jacob's Pillar and Israel's Throne of David.

MOON - Reflects the light of the SUN. The SUN is the British Throne and the "Commonwealth" reflects her light and power (like the moon does to the sun).

STARS of heaven - U.S.A. (50 on their flag, "STAR spangled banner" etc.)

HEAVENS - Political systems (above the mountains).

MOUNTAIN - Government - (Micah 4 v 1).

EARTH - Downtrodden people (oppressed and poor).

EARTH-QUAKE - Great upheaval of the EARTH (as above).

SEA - Restless, moving people who are not as oppressed and are free to move around (Psalm 65 v 6,7).

WATERS - Peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues (languages) (Apocalypse/Revelation 17 v 15).

HORN - kingdom

UNICORN - Unique horn - "One Kingdom, world without end" - God's Kingdom on Earth - soon.

OLIVE - The "House of Israel" - (people not country)

FIG tree - Jews (Matt. 21 v 20), Christ cursing Judaism for ever in verse 19.

DAY - Year in prophecy (Ezekiel 4 v 6) (Revelation 9 v 15).

MONTH - 30 years in prophecy (Rev. 11 v 2,3 - 42 x 30 = 1260).

SEVEN - The number of completeness in Scripture.



You need to use your common-sense to see what is logical and sensible and whether the words are to be interpreted in their normal way or in God's code. A perfect example of this is when Christ said, "IF, you have enough faith and you say to this mountain, fall into the sea and it will (Matt. 21 v 21)", it obviously did not mean an actual mountain and the sea. It was coded. It is obviously possible for God to cast a mountain into the sea but why should He want to destroy a beautiful mountain that He Himself has created? It means government (mountain) and restless dis-satisfied people (sea).

Think about it. A mountain (govt.) towers over and looks down upon the sea (people) and the sea looks up at the mountain. The sea (people) cannot remove the mountain (govt.) without a tidal-wave. IF you have enough faith and tell the people the TRUTH of God's Perfect System of Government and Laws, you can create that tidal-wave with God's help, for everyone's benefit. SIMPLE.

Now you can start to decode the Prophecies and understand some of them. You cannot decode all of them because God says so, in many places e.g. Daniel was told that the words of one Prophecy were sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12 v 9). Apocalypse/Revelation chapter 5 tells you that the Book (Bible Prophecy) given to John was sealed with 7 seals. That means completely sealed, because 7 is the number of completeness in Scripture:- 7 days of creation; 7 millennia; 7 churches; etc.

The COMMANDments; Laws; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet are all written in "plain language" for EVERYONE to understand and Live by, but the Prophecies are written in code.

The Prophecies are written in code for two good reasons:-

1. They were not meant to be understood at the wrong time, i.e. the majority were not meant to be understood by the people of the time when they were written. They were meant for the future, sometimes a few, sometimes hundreds and sometimes thousands of years in the future. The last ones are still being fulfilled, today.

2. The Prophecies warn of what is going to happen to the rich rulers of the Earth, and the Churches, who have worked with the rich to keep the masses in the dark; down and poor, by helping the rich to hide God's PERFECTLaws and substitute the rich people's oppressive and illegal laws.

The rich rulers set the curriculum in their schools and control all knowledge given to the people so that they can control their minds and enslave them. If they could understand what the Bible says about them and how evil they are, they would have destroyed the Bible.

God, knowing ALL things and ALL people, knew this and so wrote the Bible Prophecies in code, to protect them from destruction by our rich and evil rulers.

Harsh description? But in God's eyes, according to His Bible, very TRUE.


THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE

REVELATION Chapter 6



"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

The white horse represents the horse upon which God's Witness (Rev. 19 v 11 & 1 v 5) (Isaiah 43 v 12) rides, as in Revelation 19 v 11.

The TRUE Israel People have, on their "Coat of Arms", a lion and a unicorn which is shown as a white horse with one horn. The lion is the main emblem of the two-tribed "House of Judah" and the unicorn is the main emblem of the ten-tribed "House of Israel".

The "Coat of Arms" is therefore the rightful property of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL and Christ their KING. The word British is Hebrew meaning "the People of the Covenant" (Israel).

However, in this instance referred to in Rev. 6 v 2, the person riding the white horse and witnessing for God (Isaiah 43 v 12) is Joseph, who carried a BOW.

If you refer to Genesis 49 v 23 you will see, from the cross-referencing, that Joseph (his descendants) was to have a BOW and, with God's help, his branches were to run over the wall. Jacob (Joseph's dad) was told by God (Genesis 28 v 14) that his seed was to spread forth to the West; East; North and South, in that order, which of course Joseph did, proving that God's Word is eternally TRUE.

The horseman had a crown given to him which is the crown of Israel, eventually to be worn by the TRUE King of Israel - Christ. The British Throne is the Throne of David (The Lia Fail / Stone of Destiny).

Joseph went (his tribe) West to America and then East to India/Australasia and then North to Canada and finally, South to Africa in exactly the same order specified in God's Prophecy in Genesis 28 v 14, conquering and to conquer - "The British Empire". The British thought they were clever but the Glory is God's alone because He defeated their enemies to fulfill His Prophecies and His Master Plan.

The tribe of Joseph is, in fact, divided into two:- Ephraim and Manasseh. Joseph had two sons called Ephraim and Manasseh who, today, are the English and Americans respectively. Abraham, Joseph's great grandad, was told by God that, "in Isaac shall your seed be called" (Genesis 21 v 12). Isaac's sons - Saac's sons - Saxons. The British/English and the Americans are Anglo-Saxons. God's Word is ever TRUE.

Joseph/Ephraim (the English) went forth conquering during their witnessing period, when they took the Bible around the world for God, fulfilling the days of their prophecy (God's Prophecies about them).

Joseph/Manasseh (the U.S.A.) split off from their brothers the English and Ephraim lost a colony (Isaiah 49 v 20) and then went East; North and South.

Joseph/Manasseh (the U.S.A.) also spread forth taking the Bible around the world and became a great people (Genesis 48 v 19) whilst Joseph/Ephraim (the English) became a multitude/Commonwealth of Nations and God made their name GREAT (Genesis 12 v 2) - Great Britain.

During the 1260 years of their witnessing and fulfilling of God's Prophecies, they were assisted by and defended by God, as stated, by God, in Genesis 49 v 23 & Revelation 11 v 3-6.

Unfortunately, although protected by God whilst taking His Word (the Bible) around the world, they did not allow God to water the seed/truth (Rev. 11 v 6) because they did not "live by" (believe - by live) the Bible and Covenants that they made with God, two of them, the Old Covenant/Testament and the NewCovenant/Testament. The terms and penalty (punishment) clauses are contained in those Books.

I said, unfortunately, for them, because they are going to be punished by God for breaking the Covenant/contract (Rev. 11 v 7) and choosing to live by and inflict their own selfish, greedy and evil political systems on the rest of the world, instead of converting the whole world to living by God's Own PERFECT System. IF they had kept the terms of the Covenant/contract then the whole world would have, by now, become God's Kingdom on Earth:- One King - God; One Law; One people; One Kingdom at peace - world without end. The "Unique Horn - Unicorn."

However, they broke the terms of the Covenant and consequently the seed (truth) did not grow and the gentile world rejected God's Word (the Bible) because they wrongly assumed that what the Two Witnesses were doing was what it said in God's Book.

The gentiles rightly judged the "tree" by the fruit it bears and were revolted by the actions; greed and injustice of the political systems of the Two Witnesses and therefore these peoples; multitudes; nations and tongues/languages (waters - Rev. 17 v 15) were turned to blood (red - communism). Away from God to Satan. They were DRIVEN to communism by the actions of the Two Witnesses because the two witnesses have done to them whatever they liked, as often as they willed (wanted) - Rev. 11 v 6.

Now we come to the second of the four horsemen "And there went out another horse that was RED: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another (the red andwhite horsemen): and there was given unto him a great sword."

Karl Marx, the human and "visible" author of communism, working for his master Satan, claimed that he had been given a sword by Satan and he would drag God down from heaven and defeat Him with it. Rev. 6 v 4 - the second horseman on a red horse was given a great sword. RED is Satan's colour (Rev. 12 v 3 & 9).

In Rev. 11 v 7 we are told that in the same day (year) when the Two Witnesses have finished their testimony, which was to be the same year that Jerusalem was to be liberated from its "treading down by the gentiles" (Rev. 11 v 2-3), the beast would rise out of the "bottomless pit" (Satan's place) and make war against the Two Witnesses, and shall overcome them, and KILL them. Note well - KILL them.

The word gentile means "foreigner", non-Israelite - non-British people. Hence the British expression, nomatter where they might be, irrespective of whoever's country they might be in, "I am not a foreigner (gentile), I am British (Israelite)." They say it automatically to native people in foreign countries. That is illogical unless you refer it backto the words gentile and Israelite. They say it automatically as though God were speaking through them, which, of course, in this instance He is. Through them and to them at one and the same time, telling them that they are His chosen people Israel.

The British have always classed themselves as a "nation apart" from others and as being special but God chose them to be His SERVANT Nation NOT a master race.

The year that Jerusalem was liberated by British/Israel soldiers from Turkish/gentile domination was 1917. This same year (day in prophetic coded language) 1917 saw the RED communist revolution in Russia and the beast (system) that rose out of the "bottomless pit" (Satanically inspired and controlled) make war against the Two Witnesses for 70 years, all over the planet and will, soon, also, exactly as prophesied, overcome and KILL the Two Witnesses - the U.K. and U.S.A.

Jeremiah the Prophet was told that God would bring again the captivity (slavery) of His people Israel and Judah to punish them for walking contrary to Him, His Will and His Ways and Covenants (Jeremiah 30 v 3; restating Deuteronomy 28:68). That Prophecy is nearing completion at this moment. So, for those of you who think that the Bible is an out-of-date Book, now you can see that the Bible is more up-to-date than tomorrow's newspaper, and next week's too.

The third horseman of the Apocalypse rode a black horse. "And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances (weighing-scales) in his hand." He was told the weights and measures and told not to hurt the oil (Olive) and the wine (Vine) - Israel and Judah - the people of the 12 tribes.

This horseman represents unfair (black) trading and "ripping people off", driving entire nations into poverty for monetary gain, by the rich rulers of the world. These people are not kings and presidents. Kings and presidents do not rule the world any more than prime-ministers and politicians do. This world is run by a small group of EXTREMELY rich jews who are known as "The Hidden Hand". They say they are Jews and are NOT. They are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 3 v 9).

"The Hidden Hand" is the very same organisation that was running the world for Satan 2000 years ago and was behind the "Sanhedrin" and engineered the crucifixion. They decided to crucify the "King of Israel" rather than give-up their immense wealth and power.

These people were condemned by Christ when the FIG tree was cursed in Matt. 21 v 19. The FIG tree is the symbol of Judaism.

These same people had already been previously condemned as traitors by God through Jeremiah in the third chapter of Jeremiah - note well verses 9-11 - "Treacherous Judah".

Christ acknowledged that Satan was running the world through these people and their political systems, calling Satan "the prince of this world" in John 14 v 30. They were referred to as being "the sons of Satan" by Christ in John 8 v 37-47, and condemned in Matt. 23 as being hypocrites for their evil legal and political systems - "Woe to you Scribes (lawyers) and Pharisees (politicians), HYPOCRITES."

The third horseman was told not to hurt the oil and the wine - the 12 tribes of Israel - but they have been hurt. "The Hidden Hand" have infiltrated the Western Israel Nations and taken control of them and used them and abused them, to "rip-off" the rest of the world and make entire nations POOR, driving them to communism and hatred for Joseph and the Jews.

The Olive from which the "oil" comes was Jacob/Israel's emblem (Romans 11 v 24-25) which he gave, along with his name Israel, to Joseph's two sons - Ephraim and Manasseh [not to Judah - the Jews] (Genesis 48 v 16). We are told by God through Isaiah in 43 v 12, that you (Israel - Ephraim and Manasseh not Judah) are "My Witnesses."

If we look at history and national emblems yet again, we find more clues.

Joseph and the white horseman were both to have a BOW. The bowmen of England are the most famous in the history of the world and with God's help were not defeated (Genesis 49 v 24). Note well also where "the Shepherd" will come from - Joseph NOT Judah. NOT from the Jews.

Now look at the American Eagle and you will see that in its left claws it holds arrows, 13 of them. Britannia, in the full picture, sits under an OLIVE tree and the American Eagle has in its right claws an OLIVE branch, with 13olives and 13 leaves on it. Israel, in Scripture, is referred to (metaphorically) as God's Wife and Britannia is a WOMAN not a man. Manasseh, the 1/2 tribe of Joseph, was known as the 13th. tribe of Israel. Look at American Symbols and you will see 13 over and over again. There are 13 stripes on their flag.

I could go into far more and minute detail on this subject but I will refrain because those who do not want to see will refuse nomatter how much proof I give them and those who do want to see will already be convinced of thisTRUTH.

Revelation 11 v 3-4 tells us that God will give power to His Two Witnesses during the time of their testimony. "The Two Witnesses are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks."

Israel was to be God's Witness (Isaiah 43 v 10) and the OLIVE TREE was/is Israel's emblem (Romans 11 v 24-25) and Jacob/Israel gave the OLIVE emblem, with his name ISRAEL (his name was no longer Jacob - Gen. 32 v 28) given to him by the angel who redeemed him (Gen. 48 v 16), to Ephraim and Manasseh.

So, now we have two olive trees instead of only one - Ephraim and Manasseh and two witnesses and they became two candlesticks (Zechariah 4 v 3) because they, during the days of their witnessing, translated the Bible (the Light) into almost every human language and distributed it all over the world, also fulfilling God's Prophecies (Rev. 11 v 3) about them.

The fourth horseman of the Apocalypse rode a pale horse. "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was DEATH, and HELL(fire) followed with him. And power was given unto them (the four horsemen) over the fourth part (1/4) of the earth, to kill with sword (weapons), and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." This horseman rode on a pale/sick horse (sickly GREEN in the Greek original text). The fourth horseman represents pollution and nature dying (sickly green) with famines; pestilences and plagues brought about by climatic changes caused by deforestation and pollution.

A quarter of the earth are killed by wars; famines; and with disasters; and with the beasts of the earth (diseases and plagues etc. carried by the beasts of the earth).

Hell-fire followed WITH him (Death), because, due to unjust and unfair trading getting people to grow money crops, instead of food, and causing deforestation and desertification of many regions creates hunger, and hunger causes war, war comes and then the REAPING of mankind with Hell-fire.

In Ezekiel 38 we are told that God will put "hooks into their jaws" (hunger) and bring them against the mountains(govts.) of the 12 tribes of Israel who have insufficient defences because of dis-armament.

Then, returning to the Apocalypse/Revelation chapter 6 again, in verse 12 onwards we are told that there was a great "earth-quake" (upheaval of the downtrodden masses) and the SUN (British Throne of David) became black (loses all of its power), and the MOON (British Commonwealth) became as blood and the STARS of heaven(U.S.A.) fell unto the EARTH (downtrodden people), even as a FIG tree (the Jews) casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind (in Ezekiel 13 v 11 we are told that "with a stormy wind will I rend/break down the wall of untempered mortar").

To refer back to Rev. 11 again for a moment we are told that the Two Witnesses will be overcome and KILLED. This refers to the very same battle - "The Battle of Armageddon" in the "VALLEY of JEZREEL" in Israel near Endor.

Then the HEAVEN (political systems) departed as a scroll when closed up (Rev. 6 v 14); and every MOUNTAIN (govt.) and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the Earth, and the great men, and the rich men and everyone asked their mountain (govt.) to hide them from Him that sits on The Throne (God) and from the wrath (vengeance) of the Lamb.

Next comes the REAPING with Hell-fire. Are YOU ready? Are you sure? Don't be over-confident.

Those of you who claim to be "SAVED" already, are WRONG. You do not mark your own test. Only the Lord marks your test and you will have absolutely NO say in it. So I suggest that you learn some fresh and real humility and start again, this time DOING what the Lord says and not what you decide yourself. The "Self" has to be "crucified DAILY" until it is DEAD and you want only to serve your Lord and the common good, keeping the COMMANDments; Covenants; His Laws and Ways and NOT your own.

Anyone who wrongly thinks that God is unfair and that He should have warned you, should read Ezekiel 38, paying special attention to verse 17 and the date. 2600 years He has been warning YOU. Isn't that FAIR?

Ezekiel 13 (extract)
Because the "foolish prophets" (politicians) have seduced My people, saying peace; and there was NO peaceand one built a wall (N.A.T.O. and U.N.O.) and others daubed it with untempered mortar (non-hardening / useless cement), say to them that it shall FALL.

Therefore you shall not see any more vain prophecies: for I will deliver My people out of your hands and youshall KNOW that I AM the Lord.

And My hand will be upon the politicians that prophecy lies: they shall NOT BE in the assembly of My people, neither shall they enter into the "New Jerusalem" or the New Age. IMPORTANT - SEE Luke 19 v 27.

Ezekiel 38 (extract)
Thus says the Lord God; behold I AM against you Gog the prince of Rosh (Russia) Meshech (Moscow) and Tubal (Tobolsk) - the Western and Eastern Capitols of the U.S.S.R. (now called the C.I.S.): I will turn you back (from seeking peace) and put hooks into your jaws (hunger), and I will bring you forth, with all your armed forces and Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer, Togarmah and ALL the earth with them against My people Israel (Britain and the British Commonwealth; America; Scandinavia; the Netherlands; the Baltic States; Northern France; Northern Spain and the Jews) to the lands of unwalled villages (walls of untempered mortar) without bars or gates (no defences because of defence cuts after the "so-called" peace dividend), when they (the politicians - foolish prophets) say peace, peace and there was NO peace.

There will be those, particularly of the Religions who will want to dis-agree (with the Scriptures and God) and be confrontational in an attempt at "Self"-justification. They may tell me I'm wrong, and may want to quote Rev. ch. 5 as a justification for continuing the existence of their evil organisations and "Self"-delusion that they are SAVED.

Just remember I am NOT wrong and if you want to KNOW how I KNOW the things that WILL lead to your SURVIVAL you should read "The Way home or face The Fire". It is NOT an easy road but it is the ONLY One.

Most have gone astray in the last 2000 years.

IF you seek "The Way" you will need some help with your Scriptural learning. Send for a copy of "The Way home or face The Fire".

Source article: The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and the Two Witnesses
 
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No, I ignored a lot of what you posted because you are actually clueless when it comes to understanding the Bible. You see only what you want to see and nothing else.

Genesis‬ ‭21:9-12‬ ‭
Now Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, mocking. Therefore she said to Abraham, “Drive out this maid and her son, for the son of this maid shall not be an heir with my son Isaac.” The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son. But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named.”
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God told Abraham it was ok to send Ishmael away because it wasn’t through Ishmael that the covenant was going through. The covenant that God would be the God of Abraham and that He would give Abraham a certain piece of land forever. Ishmael wasn’t part of that covenant...He was sent away.

Genesis‬ ‭17:2-8, 15-19‬ ‭​
I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly.” Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying, “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name. I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her. Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.” Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Will a child be born to a man one hundred years old? And will Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child? ” And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!” But God said, “No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.


And yep..God did say this about Ishmael..
Genesis‬ ‭17:20‬ ‭
As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.​


‭‭”The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son.” Which is why God decided to also make Ishmael a great nation but notice that Ishmael didn’t get more than that..and...he gets this said about him too..which you like to think is a great thing and twist it around but it’s not really all that wonderful. Not only is he left out of the covenant with Abraham he is also going to be very anti social and violent with everyone. Everyone..think about that one for a bit. Aren’t muslims against non muslims? Aren’t muslims even against each other..Shia v Sunni? Would you call all that good? I wouldn’t. He doesn’t even get to live in the land..he’s to the East..but then again he was swnt

Genesis‬ ‭16:12‬ ‭
He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”​

God even goes on to say in the NT..

Galatians‬ ‭4:22-31‬ ‭​
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written, “REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR; BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR; FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.” And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say? “CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.” So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.”


Us Christians are grafted into the covenant though with Abraham..that’s also how Abraham gets so many descendents...and notice how God is able to graft them in again. And the only way Ishmael can be a part of the covenant is to be crafted in like I was ..and all Christians are..and you want to be part of this covenant..not the great nation you suppose your brothers and you to be..that way leads to death, not life.

Romans‬ ‭11:17-20, 23-24‬ ‭​
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith.

And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?


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‭‭Catholicism is a lie and from satan to deceive people away from God and it has worked for a long time but God wants to save people so He makes sure His actual word is given alongside the lie..people have a choice to make..the lie where they are in control or the truth where God is! Most people pick the lie..like you...

Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

We all must make the choice for ourselves and God will honor ‭‭that choice.
Daniel‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.​

‭‭and Jesus concurs..
Matthew‬ ‭25:46‬ ‭
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.​
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The world wars are part of prophecy..
Matthew‬ ‭24:6-8‬ ‭
You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.​
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Yes the Bible is filled with violence..however that’s not God’s fault but mans as we are all sinners..why was it God sent them flood?

Genesis‬ ‭6:5, 11-13‬ ‭​
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

‭Genesis‬ ‭8:20-21‬ ‭
Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.”​

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Genesis‬ ‭9:11-17‬ ‭​
I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth.” God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations; I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
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ok this will be fun.

1) No, I ignored a lot of what you posted because you are actually clueless when it comes to understanding the Bible. You see only what you want to see and nothing else.

your opinion isnt worth a penny though Lisa. you're known for being a poor poster on here with the dumbest views.

if i only see what i want to see, why do i , as a muslim, believe in the crucifixion and in the bible, when other muslims don't? how does that work? don't say this dumb sh1t to me.

all ive done here, is presented a defence of Ishmael and his side of the story which you've ignored.
furthermore, i spoke about how the Napthali lost tribe becamw the white huns/hepthalites who conquered india, became rajputs..and how that's even my own caste. I have no need to claim to be 'israelite' or a 'lost tribe' btw, but im pointing that out because you want to fangirl Sarah in a 'sarah vs hagar' context while i probably have more claim to HER than you do. you've attacked hagar..and i'm someone who's impartial and honest enough to want to support both. likewise in the Quran, Ishmael and Isaac are both special for different reasons.
in Genesis is very specifically says
Sarah MISTREATED Hagar.
i quoted that. you have proof.
you basically mocked Hagar.

It very specifically says Ishmael is BLESSED and yet you mocked him by saying 'he not part of da covenant tho'..
even though you're wrong on that...the fact that you still had it in you to try taking the piss out of him despite him being blessed, shows again why you're a demonic little sh1t. So biased and disgusting with your views. it's no wonder Jesus wants nothing to do with you.




2)
why would you refer to ishmael's 'hand against everyone' in the context of muslim immigration into the west, even though said immigration is only a consequence of colonialism and 2 WORLD WARS fought by those colonialists?
muslims never killed so many people as those colonialists, how many died in those 2 world wars? bolshevism, the holocoast etc?..and yet you're on about muslims and ignoring the Beast system itself...because you're a xtian.
pathetic.

'arent muslims against others/against each other'
and christians are better? you're far worse. the history of the catholic protestant divide led to the entire age of colonialism...


3)
you're misquoting genesis between 2 different covenants and their different contexts.
there is an everlasting covenant with Abraham directly..and an everlasting covenant with Isaac.

ill follow this up with direct quotes and contexts...but again let me just emphasise this..

the covenant with Abraham, is the covenant of the flesh (the circumcision).
tell me, if the entire story of isaac, is meant to be fulfilled through JESUS...how is it that your religion is NOT about the circumcision/covenant of the flesh but the covenant of the spirit?

so let's go back to Genesis
according to Genesis 17

“I will establish My covenant (everlasting promise) between Me and you,
And I will multiply you exceedingly [through your descendants].”

As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you,
And [as a result] you shall be the father of many nations.

“As for you [your part of the agreement], you shall keep and faithfully obey [the terms of] My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is [the sign of] My covenant, which you shall keep and faithfully obey, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be the sign (symbol, memorial) of the covenant between Me and you. 1

My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”


tell me, if one were a christian and from the jewish bloodline, would that person be circumcised?
that person would be cut off from the covenant with ABRAHAM, the covenant of the FLESH.



now..after this, there is a shift..the story changes. it's now about Sarah.

15 Then God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai (my princess), but her name will be Sarah (Princess). 16 I will bless her, and indeed I will also give you a son by her. Yes, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.” 17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Shall a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael [my firstborn] might live before You!” 19 But God said, “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son indeed, and you shall name him Isaac (laughter); and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant and with his descendants after him.

this is a seperate everlasting covenant, with ISAAC. God emphasises this further by saying it is specifically only for Isaac, not ishmael eg

21 But My covenant [My promise, My solemn pledge], I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this time next year.”

this has nothing to do with the covenant with Abraham of the flesh. Nowhere here, is the covenant with Isaac to be confused with the 'covenant of the flesh'.

what follows from this?

23 Then Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all the servants who were born in his house and all who were purchased with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s household, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin the very same day, as God had said to him.

get it? Ishmael was part of the covenant of the flesh, circumcised. it emphasises ishmael here to prove that he's part of the original everlasting covenant of the flesh.

The covenanent with isaac is later broken down into further covenants later..and ends up with Jesus Christ/the new testament. Ultimately leading to the UNCIRCUMISION..which is proof that this is a seperate context, seperate covenant and is not related to the covenant with Abraham.


Leviticus 26:42
then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and also My covenant with Isaac, and also My covenant with Abraham, and remember the land.

different covenants.

so let's go deeper. what was the covenant with Jacob, that made it different to the covenant with Isaac?

see it's like this

the covenant of the flesh given to Abraham, was a covenant making him the father of many nations. this includes anyone who is circumcised and shares the belief of Abraham..and it applies to ALL circumcised muslims!!! We know he was to circumcise even his slaves, so anyone belonging to him even as a slave was part of this.

the covenant with ISAAC is not connected to the circumcision. It goes on even through Jesus and so the true Christians who are uncircumcised in the flesh, are yet part of this. THAT is why with isaac, it also said

Yes, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations;

covenant with Jacob, that is specific for only Jacob and is about the 12 tribes of israel. it is specific to a bloodline.
he's even told " You shall not marry one of the women of Canaan. "

3 May God Almighty bless you and make you fruitful and multiply you, so that you may become a [great] company of peoples.


notice it doesnt say 'father/mother of many nations' where it concerns JACOB?

in fact, you referred to romans 9. in fact this completely supports my argument

Romans 9
However, it is not as though God’s word has failed [coming to nothing]. For not all who are descended from Israel (Jacob) are [the true] Israel; 7 and they are not all the children of Abraham because they are his descendants [by blood], but [the promise was]: “Your descendants will be named through Isaac” [though Abraham had other sons]. 8 That is, it is not the children of the body [Abraham’s natural descendants] who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are counted as [Abraham’s true] descendants.

it's like this

God's covenant with Abraham of the flesh is for many nations.
God's covenant with Isaac of the spirit, is for many nations
God's covenant with Jacob is for 12 tribes specifically.
here, paul points not to the covenant with Jacob, but the covenant with Isaac specifically

i have never had a problem accepting that the covenant of isaac, is fulfilled through JESUS CHRIST and is higher than the covenant of the flesh. the key difference is ive never tried to attack Isaac or Jacob, as you have Ishmael.
Ishmael was not only blessed, he was connected to Abraham's flesh covenant..which is also an everlasting covenant.

in fact, the covenant with Isaac, which is of the spirit, does not exclude muslims, just as there were prophets/saints from Jacob, who were circumcised, yet also within Isaac's covenant.
this is something of spiritual weight that only God knows the measure of. HOWEVER i am totally comitted to Jesus here, in that i know it is 'through Jesus'. However this extends to islam on the basis that islam believes in Jesus.
in fact, we believe in Jesus for who he was, the Word made Flesh and the Messiah, whereas you only pay lip service and instead worship a white hellenistic mangod of the roman empire.
i will say that your sort of xtians, will easily say that the catholicds are satanic..yet you follow the nicene creed..and no one in the NT specifically gave the nicene creed...not those specific words, in that specific order with that specific interpretation.

this isnt even subjective, it is a fact. If the nicene creed was the single biggest truth of Christianity, then Jesus or Paul would have given it in those exact words. However it came centuries later from the roman church.
As such, you belong with the roman church.
You even said 'i dont only pray on sundays' to sidestep the fact that your church and all xtian churches have chosen SUN DAY.
sorry but this pagan xtianity with the pagan xmas and easter, is too far removed from isaac.

in fact i will again go back to Isaac to get more evidence of the above points.
what is specifically different about isaac? what set Isaac apart from Abraham and Jacob?
isaac was the example of God's REWARD/GRACE. It wasnt earned..it was given.
Even jacob had to earn his reward by tricking Esau...but Isaac was given to Sarah in her old age as a miracle.

since Paul takes the covenant with isaac and applies this specifically to not just the jewish bloodline, but to all people joinedthrough Jesus?

15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I have compassion.” 16 So then God’s choice is not dependent on human will, nor on human effort [the totality of human striving], but on God who shows mercy [to whomever He chooses—it is His sovereign gift]. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “I raised you up for this very purpose, to display My power in [dealing with] you, and so that My name would be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then, He has mercy on whom He wills (chooses), and He hardens [the heart of] whom He wills.

so how can this also not apply to muslims? i mean this is only in a post Jesus context, i accept that, that isaac's covenant is fulfilled through Jesus specifically.
i have a big claim against you..i say you have no connection to Jesus on account of blatant polythiesm through the roman church. you say the roman church is satanic, yet follow their innovations and false belief system eg the trinitarian doctrine.

if you read isaiah 42, it is only in the post Jesus context, the new song prophecy could be fulfilled..hence Jesus is responsible even for islam.
this is proven by John 16, where Jesus said HE will send the comforter/holy spirit to 'teach you ALL the truth..and tell you what is to come'
and this is fulfilled through the Quran and the prophethood of Mohammad.

this doesnt exclude the covenant with Abraham and Jacob...even Jesus was circumcised and part of those covenants too.
likewise if muslims have a connection to Abraham by circumcision, that doesnt mean they dont also have a connection to Jesus.


“I will have mercy on whomever I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I have compassion.”

in every chapter of the Quran except one, it begins with these words

In the name of Allah, The Merciful and Compassionate.

Al-Rahman and Al-Raheem
Rahma is Mercy. Raheem is the bestowing of Mercy.






 

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Siri comes with the iPhone..you do do technology?
No.
No I don't.
I think it is evil and it is taking over our lives.
I have an android tablet as my window into this strange world, and I have a phone with 3 emergency numbers in it.
 

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furthermore, i spoke about how the Napthali lost tribe becamw the white huns/hepthalites who conquered india, became rajputs..and how that's even my own caste. I have no need to claim to be 'israelite' or a 'lost tribe' btw, but im pointing that out because you want to fangirl Sarah in a 'sarah vs hagar' context while i probably have more claim to HER than you do. you've attacked hagar..and i'm someone who's impartial and honest enough to want to support both. likewise in the Quran, Ishmael and Isaac are both special for different reasons.
FYI, please see the verses below, concerning Naphtali:

Genesis 30:7-8
30:7 And Bilhah Rachel's maid conceived again, and bare Jacob a second son.
30:8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali (My wrestlings).

Genesis 49:21 Naphtali [is] a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.

Naphtali is thought to have settled in South Africa, among other places, with the South African National Emblem being the Hind or Springbok.

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Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust of the earth", and thou shalt spread abroad to the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Australasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

The Abrahamic Covenant
 
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No.
No I don't.
I think it is evil and it is taking over our lives.
I have an android tablet as my window into this strange world, and I have a phone with 3 emergency numbers in it.
It’s as good or evil as you make it, like anything in life.
 

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It’s as good or evil as you make it, like anything in life.
If you think it's a good idea to hold a microwave oven next to your head for hours on end, it would explain a great many things about your nonsensical posts.
 

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If you think it's a good idea to hold a microwave oven next to your head for hours on end, it would explain a great many things about your nonsensical posts.
I rarely use my phone for talking on the phone..and if I do I use the speaker option...but what has that got to do with your reply that isn’t understandable?
 

A Freeman

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I rarely use my phone for talking on the phone..and if I do I use the speaker option...but what has that got to do with your reply that isn’t understandable?
What was personally posted was self-explanatory. If you don't understand it, then please research how detrimental to people's health cell phones really are before making another of your trademark ridiculous statements like "It’s as good or evil as you make it, like anything in life".

A reasonable place to start your education on the subject would be a book entitled "The Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Firstenberg.
 

Cintra

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It’s as good or evil as you make it, like anything in life.
It is evil.
www = 666

When they get us all marked, how will we interface with our overlord?
Through the internet.

The internet of things, and humans are just another thing.
 

Axl888

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I am of the ilk that believes the white horse is the antichrist
Could also be the False Prophet...anyhow the Lawless One and the False Prophet work hand and hand.

We are at the beginning of the end times...

Once those remaining lost sheeps are found, we are out of here...and there are lost sheeps even among muslim people, I hope they will find our Shepherd soon.
 

Phillip Jefferies

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It is evil.
www = 666

When they get us all marked, how will we interface with our overlord?
Through the internet.

The internet of things, and humans are just another thing.
What’s wrong with the number of the sun? It is after all what allows for all life.
 

Lyfe

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Could also be the False Prophet...anyhow the Lawless One and the False Prophet work hand and hand.

We are at the beginning of the end times...

Once those remaining lost sheeps are found, we are out of here...and there are lost sheeps even among muslim people, I hope they will find our Shepherd soon.
I have never studied much of the rapture, but I am tend to believe based off of what I have read that its more likely to be pre wrath rather than pre trib. Call me crazy, but I actually want to be around during tribulation. :)
 

Cintra

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What’s wrong with the number of the sun? It is after all what allows for all life.
hahaha
Been drawing magic squares, have you?

As I said somewhere else, the Sun used to have tits in it.
But the great patriarchal man sun got emasculated.
 

Axl888

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I have never studied much of the rapture, but I am tend to believe based off of what I have read that its more likely to be pre wrath rather than pre trib. Call me crazy, but I actually want to be around during tribulation. :)
Yes, in this world we will have tribulations such as persecutions/hardships, but I believe we are not appointed to the wrath of God (the great tribulation)...
 

A Freeman

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Could also be the False Prophet...anyhow the Lawless One and the False Prophet work hand and hand.

We are at the beginning of the end times...

Once those remaining lost sheeps are found, we are out of here...and there are lost sheeps even among muslim people, I hope they will find our Shepherd soon.
It's not the anti-Christ (the entire world is anti-Christ) nor is it the false prophet (pope). The One on the white horse is quite clearly Christ.

Revelation 19:11-16
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold A WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire (Rev. 1:14), and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword (Rev. 1:16), that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron (Rev. 2:27): and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
 

Lisa

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It is evil.
www = 666

When they get us all marked, how will we interface with our overlord?
Through the internet.

The internet of things, and humans are just another thing.
The internet actually has some good things about it...you can find out any info that you might want on it. Thanks to YouTube..you can watch videos on anything..even people showing you how to fix whatever might be broken in your house..diy..which doesn’t do much for the service industry..but could save you a buck.

We can find out what is happening anywhere in the world in the blink of an eye..you just have to go to any new website and you can see what’s happening with your own eyes. Its also an encyclopedia..and any info you might want to know about is found on the internet.

Then there’s keeping in touch with granny or auntie or the cousins that live 1000 miles away..like my family. I don’t have to pay the outrageous long distance charges that I once had to pay..and I can have face to faces with my family..which means I can keep in touch better.

So, yes you can use the internet for evil..or for good..but like anything on earth..its your choice...
 
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