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the first article cites no evidence. its some unscientific hypothesis where its claimed that the ape men who started chewing on bones for the high calorie meat corresponded with larger brain size.
"As we got more [meat], our guts shrank because we didn't need a giant vegetable processor any more. Our bodies could spend more energy on other things like building a bigger brain."

thats a lousy conclusion. why wouldnt large cats evolve into the thundercats, then? plenty of meat in their diet. second problem is that the expenditure of energy to hunt isnt economical at all when the failure rate (going with your darwin theory) of hunting was high. it would pay to eat fruits and vegetables and save the energy. following traditional routes like elephants, early man (your theory) shouldve had plenty of food-- ill grant you lower caloric in content-- but plenty of extra time to begin thinking. remember, its the early agricultural revolution that set man (sort of mainstream theory) free from worrying about his next meal and developing art, writing, music, and other pastimes through to innovation.
by the way, brain size has nothing at all to do with brain function. crows are very intelligent and have a proverbial bird brain. mainstream scientists say theyre about as intelligent as chimps.

the second article is the same person saying the same crap to a harvard audience. a big worded theory with no beef.


I suppose that's interesting. But unless they found a giant wheel I'm not really impressed. They say the wheel was invented in 3500BC. And it's one of the critical inventions of human history.
so wheels are a big deal for you, but screws, drill bits, glass blocks, and springs arent. with arguments like yours, i must be a real git to not have been won over yet.
 





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the first article cites no evidence. its some unscientific hypothesis where its claimed that the ape men who started chewing on bones for the high calorie meat corresponded with larger brain size.
"As we got more [meat], our guts shrank because we didn't need a giant vegetable processor any more. Our bodies could spend more energy on other things like building a bigger brain."

thats a lousy conclusion. why wouldnt large cats evolve into the thundercats, then? plenty of meat in their diet. second problem is that the expenditure of energy to hunt isnt economical at all when the failure rate (going with your darwin theory) of hunting was high. it would pay to eat fruits and vegetables and save the energy. following traditional routes like elephants, early man (your theory) shouldve had plenty of food-- ill grant you lower caloric in content-- but plenty of extra time to begin thinking. remember, its the early agricultural revolution that set man (sort of mainstream theory) free from worrying about his next meal and developing art, writing, music, and other pastimes through to innovation.
by the way, brain size has nothing at all to do with brain function. crows are very intelligent and have a proverbial bird brain. mainstream scientists say theyre about as intelligent as chimps.


the second article is the same person saying the same crap to a harvard audience. a big worded theory with no beef.




so wheels are a big deal for you, but screws, drill bits, glass blocks, and springs arent. with arguments like yours, i must be a real git to not have been won over yet.
The study that's very clearly cited is called The Expensive Tissue Hypothesis. And I'm not here to teach you science bro. You asked for some sources and I gave them to you. I don't give two shits if you want to live in la-la land where science is all a hoax.

But you did say one thing that interests me. What's the dating on the glass blocks?
 





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The study that's very clearly cited is called The Expensive Tissue Hypothesis. And I'm not here to teach you science bro. You asked for some sources and I gave them to you. I don't give two shits if you want to live in la-la land where science is all a hoax.
teach me science? lol! youre playing stratego with a bunch of 9 scouts against me.
that aside, you are confusing science and scientism. check it out or ask karly for more info.


But you did say one thing that interests me. What's the dating on the glass blocks?
now that youre willing to listen, take a 30 seconds and just scan the pics on this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/out-of-place-artifacts.1181/
for the glass blocks, i was mistaken-- it was polished, mirrored blocks (more importantly, check the dating of the strata.). no matter-- ive got more powerful examples that follow:
• 1927 W. W. McCormick of Abilene, Texas, reported his grandfather's account of a stone block wall that was found deep within a coal mine: "In the year 1928, I, Atlas Almon Mathis, was working in coal mine No. 5., located two miles north of Heavener, Oklahoma. This was a shaft mine, and they told us it was two miles deep. The mine was so deep that they let us down into it on an elevator.... They pumped air down to us, it was so deep." One evening, Mathis was blasting coal loose by explosives in "room 24" of this mine. "The next morning," said Mathis, "there were several concrete blocks laying in the room. These blocks were 12-inch cubes and were so smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides could serve as mirrors. Yet they were full of gravel, because I chipped one of them open with my pick, and it was plain concrete inside." Mathis added: "As I started to timber the room up, it caved in; and I barely escaped. When I came back after the cave-in, a solid wall of these polished blocks was left exposed. About 100 to 150 yards farther down our air core, another miner struck this same wall, or one very similar." The coal in the mine was Carboniferous, which would mean the wall was at least 286 million years old. According to Mathis, the mining company officers immediately pulled the men out of the mine and forbade them to speak about what they had seen. Mathis said the Wilburton miners also told of finding "a solid block of silver in the shape of a barrel... with the prints of the staves on it," in an area of coal dating between 280 and 320 million years ago. What advance civilization built this wall?
• 1870 At Lawn Ridge, 20 miles north of Peoria, Illinois, in August of 1870, as a well was being drilled the pump brought up a small metal medallion to the surface. The strange coin / medallion were composed of an unidentified copper alloy, about the size and thickness of a U.S. quarter of that period. It was remarkably uniform in thickness, round, and the edges appeared to have been cut. Researcher William E. Dubois, who presented his investigation of the medallion to the American Philosophical Society, was convinced that the object had in fact passed through a rolling mill, the edges showed clear evidence of the machining. Both sides of the medallion were marked with artwork and hieroglyphs that had somehow been etched in acid, to a remarkable degree of intricacy. One side showed the figure of a woman wearing a crown or headdress; her left arm is raised as if in benediction, and her right arm holds a small child, also crowned. The woman appears to be speaking. On the opposite side is another central figure, a crouching animal with long, pointed ears, large eyes and mouth, claw-like arms, and a long tail frayed at the very end. Below and to the left of it is another animal, which bears a strong resemblance to a horse. Around the outer edges of both sides of the coin are undecipherable glyphs - they are of very definite character, and show all the signs of a form of alphabetic writing. The stratum from which the coin was extracted was dated between 100,000 and 150,000 years.
• 1885 A well driller discovered a little clay doll that had come from below a 15-foot layer of lava rock, 100 feet of sand, 6 inches of clay, 40 feet of more sand, then 165 feet composed of clay, sand, clay nodules mixed with sand, and coarse sand layers for a total of 320 feet. The small "doll" is composed of half clay and half quartz, and though badly battered by time, the doll's appearance is still distinct. It had a bulbous head, with barely discernible mouth and eyes; broad shoulders; short, thick arms, and long legs, the right leg broken off. There are also faint geometric markings on the figure, which represent either clothing patterns or jewelry. The doll is the image of a person of a high civilization, artistically attired. The layer in which the doll was found was dated at over 300,000 years.
• 1927 In Fisher Canyon, Pershing County, Nevada, in January, 1927, an imprint from the heel of a shoe which had been pulled up from the balance of the heel by suction, from the mud when the rock was still in a plastic state at the time. The shoe print was in a layer of Triassic limestone dated at 225 million years old. The rock was later examined at the Rockefeller Foundation, and confirmed to indeed be a shoe heel. Microphotographs revealed that the leather had been stitched by a double row of stitches with the twists of the threads being very discernable.

http://www.s8int.com/page12.html
 





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Sorry if this thread is about meat only but what do you guys think about junk food and how it’s chemically engineered to get people to eat more etc ?? Obesity, sugar and what not...
ideally... it would be best browse through the health and wellness forum and find one that discusses junk food specifically (lots of good ones), but the threads are such a mish-mosh with thread hijacking (i am to blame with my tangential argument with aero as well) that it can readily be discussed here.
 





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teach me science? lol! youre playing stratego with a bunch of 9 scouts against me.
that aside, you are confusing science and scientism. check it out or ask karly for more info.
Not really. I made a simple assertion about consuming meat and its relation to human brain size. Then I cited a very robust theory about the mechanics of the human brain and guts. No strategy involved. It's not my fault you feel the need to deploy strawman arguments against a scientific theory.

Your comments about Darwinism show that you don't really understand what this theory is even about. And why would I ask anyone else on the board? I'm not the one who is confused.

now that youre willing to listen, take a 30 seconds and just scan the pics on this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/out-of-place-artifacts.1181/
for the glass blocks, i was mistaken-- it was polished, mirrored blocks (more importantly, check the dating of the strata.). no matter-- ive got more powerful examples that follow:
• 1927 W. W. McCormick of Abilene, Texas, reported his grandfather's account of a stone block wall that was found deep within a coal mine: "In the year 1928, I, Atlas Almon Mathis, was working in coal mine No. 5., located two miles north of Heavener, Oklahoma. This was a shaft mine, and they told us it was two miles deep. The mine was so deep that they let us down into it on an elevator.... They pumped air down to us, it was so deep." One evening, Mathis was blasting coal loose by explosives in "room 24" of this mine. "The next morning," said Mathis, "there were several concrete blocks laying in the room. These blocks were 12-inch cubes and were so smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides could serve as mirrors. Yet they were full of gravel, because I chipped one of them open with my pick, and it was plain concrete inside." Mathis added: "As I started to timber the room up, it caved in; and I barely escaped. When I came back after the cave-in, a solid wall of these polished blocks was left exposed. About 100 to 150 yards farther down our air core, another miner struck this same wall, or one very similar." The coal in the mine was Carboniferous, which would mean the wall was at least 286 million years old. According to Mathis, the mining company officers immediately pulled the men out of the mine and forbade them to speak about what they had seen. Mathis said the Wilburton miners also told of finding "a solid block of silver in the shape of a barrel... with the prints of the staves on it," in an area of coal dating between 280 and 320 million years ago. What advance civilization built this wall?
• 1870 At Lawn Ridge, 20 miles north of Peoria, Illinois, in August of 1870, as a well was being drilled the pump brought up a small metal medallion to the surface. The strange coin / medallion were composed of an unidentified copper alloy, about the size and thickness of a U.S. quarter of that period. It was remarkably uniform in thickness, round, and the edges appeared to have been cut. Researcher William E. Dubois, who presented his investigation of the medallion to the American Philosophical Society, was convinced that the object had in fact passed through a rolling mill, the edges showed clear evidence of the machining. Both sides of the medallion were marked with artwork and hieroglyphs that had somehow been etched in acid, to a remarkable degree of intricacy. One side showed the figure of a woman wearing a crown or headdress; her left arm is raised as if in benediction, and her right arm holds a small child, also crowned. The woman appears to be speaking. On the opposite side is another central figure, a crouching animal with long, pointed ears, large eyes and mouth, claw-like arms, and a long tail frayed at the very end. Below and to the left of it is another animal, which bears a strong resemblance to a horse. Around the outer edges of both sides of the coin are undecipherable glyphs - they are of very definite character, and show all the signs of a form of alphabetic writing. The stratum from which the coin was extracted was dated between 100,000 and 150,000 years.
• 1885 A well driller discovered a little clay doll that had come from below a 15-foot layer of lava rock, 100 feet of sand, 6 inches of clay, 40 feet of more sand, then 165 feet composed of clay, sand, clay nodules mixed with sand, and coarse sand layers for a total of 320 feet. The small "doll" is composed of half clay and half quartz, and though badly battered by time, the doll's appearance is still distinct. It had a bulbous head, with barely discernible mouth and eyes; broad shoulders; short, thick arms, and long legs, the right leg broken off. There are also faint geometric markings on the figure, which represent either clothing patterns or jewelry. The doll is the image of a person of a high civilization, artistically attired. The layer in which the doll was found was dated at over 300,000 years.
• 1927 In Fisher Canyon, Pershing County, Nevada, in January, 1927, an imprint from the heel of a shoe which had been pulled up from the balance of the heel by suction, from the mud when the rock was still in a plastic state at the time. The shoe print was in a layer of Triassic limestone dated at 225 million years old. The rock was later examined at the Rockefeller Foundation, and confirmed to indeed be a shoe heel. Microphotographs revealed that the leather had been stitched by a double row of stitches with the twists of the threads being very discernable.

http://www.s8int.com/page12.html
That creationist propaganda has nothing to do with what I brought up man. Furthermore, I don't think you fully grasp Hindu creationism anyway. If I'm wrong then my bad, but I just don't see any other paradigm there.
 





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Cool story. I said nothing about people evolving from apes though. And pretty sure the fossil record is pretty clear. They just didn't have advanced farming techniques. All they could do was hunt animals. They could feed a whole village with one buffalo
Meat was a luxury in the past. The primary foods in the human diet have always been a bunch of vegetables and fruits. People were hunter gatherers and gathering brought back the most food, meat was special.
 





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Meat was a luxury in the past. The primary foods in the human diet have always been a bunch of vegetables and fruits. People were hunter gatherers and gathering brought back the most food, meat was special.
Ok, but I'm talking about a specific era of evolution. Where they said screw the rabbit food, we want the stuff that lions eat! And I do believe it made humans smarter and stronger.
 





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Ok, but I'm talking about a specific era of evolution. Where they said screw the rabbit food, we want the stuff that lions eat! And I do believe it made humans smarter and stronger.
Our brains tripled in size which required more protein to operate. That's about the long and short of it...

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I went fishing today and I caught one with a kastmaster lure with a three pronged hook. It went through the side of its mouth and up through it’s eye and the top of its head :/

I felt kind of bad about this and still kind of do. I’d really like to cut out the meat entirely now but I’m afraid I’d starve lol plus it tastes really good and I’ve already given up a ton vices as is and the world sucks.
 





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I went fishing today and I caught one with a kastmaster lure with a three pronged hook. It went through the side of its mouth and up through it’s eye and the top of its head :/

I felt kind of bad about this and still kind of do. I’d really like to cut out the meat entirely now but I’m afraid I’d starve lol plus it tastes really good and I’ve already given up a ton vices as is and the world sucks.
You don't have to cut meat out entirely, you can still reduce consumption. Replace it with something else.
 





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I went fishing today and I caught one with a kastmaster lure with a three pronged hook. It went through the side of its mouth and up through it’s eye and the top of its head :/

I felt kind of bad about this and still kind of do. I’d really like to cut out the meat entirely now but I’m afraid I’d starve lol plus it tastes really good and I’ve already given up a ton vices as is and the world sucks.
Don't feel too bad man.
Humans have been fishing for ages. Enjoy your fresh caught meal.
 





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Meat was a luxury in the past. The primary foods in the human diet have always been a bunch of vegetables and fruits. People were hunter gatherers and gathering brought back the most food, meat was special.
Makes sense. We don't have the immune system like other carnivores.
They can eat meat raw. Humans have to cook it or face the risk of being sick, yet veggies and fruits and grains are general health boosters
 





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Check this out:


Those in the comments who have planted their own cabbage say it doesnt do this so it is plastic. Everything's an illusion..
 





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Check this out:


Those in the comments who have planted their own cabbage say it doesnt do this so it is plastic. Everything's an illusion..
That is completely different than I was picturing in my head. Wtf?
Is that being sold as a food or for decor?
 





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Nobody should have to tell you pork is nasty. You should just realize it after eating some.

I would say most people don't like how our food is treated. But you know what people don't like more than that? Seeing empty store shelves. So all of this goes hand in hand with the amount of waste that goes on in the food industry. So not only are they treating these animals like dogshit, but a big portion gets completely wasted.

The amount of food that gets thrown away should be a national embarrassment. Americans want their food now, they want huge variety and overstocked shelves. And it doesn't register at all that we are defeating ourselves. Take chickens and pigs for example. Without the mass production, there would probably be none to eat.

I'm not even going to start on how companies artificially inflate prices. It's just icing on the cake when the consumers are contributing more to corporate waste through ignorance.