The End Of Humanity.

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  1. Karlysymon

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    The Tragedy of the
    European Family


    Emmanuel Macron, the
    newly elected French
    president, has no children;
    German chancellor Angela
    Merkel has no children. British prime minister,
    Theresa May has no children; Italian prime
    minister Paolo Gentiloni
    has no children; Holland’s prime minister, Mark Rutte, Sweden’s Stefan Löfven, Luxembourg’s Xavier Bettel, and Scotland’s, first minister, Nicola Sturgeon —all have no children. The list goes on…Latvia’s childless president is Raimonds Vējonis, Lithuania’s childless
    president is Dalia Grybauskaitė and Romania’s childless president is Klaus Werner Iohannis. And, Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission too, has no children and is family-less. So to put it rather bluntly: a grossly disproportionate number of the people making serious decisions about Europe’s future have no direct personal sibling, child or grandchildren’s interests at stake in that future. They are not part of a family and have come to see all their attention focused on one dominant and all-powerful social unit to which they pay obeisance and give their complete and devoted attention: The State. The demographics look
    problematic. Among native Europeans, the birthrate is currently between 0.2 and 1.1. Europe is not replicating itself and will, if trends are extrapolated—
    cease to exist. The numbers are disturbing combining an ageing population, very low birthrates and an inability to
    pay for their rich benefits: what will come of Europe? …

    http://breitbart.com/london/2017/07/22/malloch-tragedy-european-family/
     
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  2. Kung Fu

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    It's happening everywhere. Japan and China are also going through the same thing. They have more old people than they do young people. Inflation, feminism, usury (espcially this), and etc. have all had a hand to play in this.

    Even here in Canada we have officially reached a point where the population of old people has surpassed the population of young people.
     
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    Are native Europeans the only representatives of humanity...?
     
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    No, but it is a worldwide trend. Attributable to different factors. The author simply chose to examine the trend on a particular continent where its most severe.
     
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    It's not a world-wide trend in the slightest. It's a trend in affluent and developed nations, a 'first world' trend. In the third world birth-rates are still extremely high, and the human population still seems to be in a state of exponential growth. A global decline in birth-rates, something we're absolutely not experiencing, would hardly be a negative so long as it were a choice and not imposed by some totalitarian society. The gravest threat to the sustainability of our planet and thus the one currently most likely to be the 'End of Humanity' is in fact overpopulation, quite the opposite of declining birth-rates.
     
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    The state of exponential growth in terms of human population is only seen in third-world countries. Within Japan, and now China, Canada, the US, and the Europe the birth rate is declining.

    Overpopulation is one of the biggest myths going around that realistically has no real hard scientific data to prove that it could mean the end of us anytime soon.
     
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    Which is to say 'in most countries', or 'on average'. Indeed, in first world countries among native populations exponential growth isn't occurring, but that's a very small margin of the total global population. The global trend is quite steady.
    Much like Lesbianism, I'm sure.
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    If by 'soon' you mean 'the next 20-50 years', you're correct. Overpopulation isn't a bomb about to go off or a guillotine about to drop, but its unquestionably and vastly detrimental to our environment, our environment being that which sustains all life on the planet. There is a wild abundance of evidence to this effect, from the massive and wholly unquestionable impact pollution, pharmaceuticals, garbage and bio-waste disposal is having on our oceans and their ability to sustain life, the general contamination and increasing scarcity of fresh water around the world, to the effect overpopulated areas have on air-quality, to the rampant extinction of species as a result of over-hunting, aggressive development and thoughtless mass production of harmful chemical agents such as high-powered pesticides. Even if you don't believe in 'man made climate change', it's asinine to deny the scope and scale of readily apparent human impact on the environment, an impact which grows in tandem with population growth.
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    While I realize that means nothing to folks who feel the garden their God granted them is theirs to fuck up beyond all repair and no meaningful consequences could result from that in this false and ephemeral existence of ours, for those of us who see the world as the one and only home we have as a species, it's a highly alarming prospect. All evidence suggests that if our growth trends continue and our behaviors/attitudes remain the same, mass extinctions will grow increasingly rampant, and without vast change or terrible calamity, there will inevitably come a breaking point. If we reach an environment in which, say, the honey-bee can no longer hope to survive, humanity as we know it is well and truly fucked.
     
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    You've just formed yet another strawman argument. Corporations dumping their garbage in the water, corporations using drugs on their crops, and the actions of pharmaceutical companies have nothing to do with overpopulation but everything to do with greed and maximizing profits.
     
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    You mean villages, towns, cities and nation-states, don't you? You know, the biggest dumpers in the world by far, made up of populations?
    Are farmers not a part of this process? You know, the members of the population who feed the larger population?

    And who do pharmaceutical companies sell their pharmaceuticals too, exactly? OooOooh yeah, the population!

    You don't see any connection between overpopulation and greed/profit motive? Have you not heard of 'The Growth Paradigm'?
    https://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/12/population


     
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  10. Kung Fu

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    What does over population have to do with greed and profit? Everything you listed is a problem due to greed and the maximizations of profit bullshit that corporations go by.

    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You're taking a whole different issue and trying to apply it to overpopulation. Try harder why don't you. Also, your article really doesn't address what we're talking about.
     
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    Read the article, in which an economist explains why population growth is always a good thing, because it increases profit. Then do a bit of research on the phrase I mentioned, 'The Growth Paradigm', the philosophy of modern economists that all growth is good growth and population growth should always be pursued as an imperative. Consider that the majority of nation-states on this planet take the advice of their economists as gospel, and thus believe constant population growth is essential to economic health and survival. Thus all nations, even affluent first-world nations, pursue population growth, and lament low growth rates even in an overcrowded little island nation like Japan.

    The waste disposal of townships, cities, provinces/states and nations isn't a corporate greed problem, it's a 'what the fuck do we do with all this garbage, shit and piss' problem. The solution for many for a really long time has been 'dump it in the ocean.'. When the world population was relatively small, 'dump it in the ocean' was an ideal solution, given how comparatively vast the oceans were. Now that we're near 10billion strong, all our shit, piss and garbage is having a serious, profound, and extremely well documented impact on the ocean's health and its capacity to sustain life. This has everything to do with the sheer volume of shit, piss and garbage, i.e the size of the population.



    Man you've gotten petty.
     
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    It really does seem like it's a greed and materialistic problem. Society has been brainwashed to consume, consume, consume, and then consume some more. We eat more then we should, we buy more then we should, and etc. I believe I read somewhere that the West alone wastes enough food daily or weekly that it could the whole world several times over. I don't see it as overpopulation problem but a greed and materialistic problem.
     
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    Why exactly do people see declining birthrates as such a problem?

    I know in some european countries its definately atleast partially a xenophobic or nationalist issue.. for example i can reclaim my grandparents italian citizenship if i want because italy is very concerned about actual italians being outnumbered on their lands. The law is even called something like blood right.

    And i also understand the concern that its young working people who fuel tax coffers and pension payments but that could easily be remedied by shifting the tax burden off individuals and onto corporations and employers.

    So like i said, i dont really understand why all the upset about this.
     
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    It could be argued that overpopulation is symptomatic of our greed as human beings, and you're absolutely right that rampant consumption in the west is a big problem and highly detrimental to the environment and to other less affluent communities around the world, but the inequitable distribution of food is only one of the many, many problematic impacts of our massive and growing global population. Again, it's increasingly clear that the oceans are incapable of coping with the volume of waste so many people produce. It's true that a universal, global shift away from materialism and toward highly totalitarian, socialist environmentalism imposing a generally equal lifestyle on everyone could perhaps allow growth to continue at the current rate without catastrophic results, but I doubt any of us are expecting this change, or would be remotely optimistic about it if it came.
     
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    Which again boils down to greed and maximizing profit over the health of our environment, which I have been saying since the beginning.

    The Earth has enough space and resources to accomodate us and it's only until greed and immorality shows its face that we start to see the troubles.
     
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    It's the 'Growth Paradigm'. Traditionally the end of growth denotes maturity, but economists have taught our nations to look upon themselves as cancerous entities, where the slowing of growth is tantamount to grave illness, and the end of growth is tantamount to death. It makes sense from the profit-motive viewpoint, but is completely impractical when measured against long-term environmental realities and limitations.
     
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    Bingo!

    This consumer culture is not sustainable and if we continue down this path it can lead to big problems such as the ones Mr. Grieves pointed out.
     
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    Fundamentally we're both saying the same thing but where we differ is that you think it's a population problem where I think it's a materialistic consumer problem. Your post here however agrees with what I have been saying which is that we have been taught to believe more is better. That's greed my friend.
     
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    But this greed is universal, a human trait present in the entire population. Do YOU want to live under a Tyrannical Socialist Global Government that forces you to live like a 16th century surf? To have your food, your clothes, your water all meted out to you in strict rations, with absolutely no capacity to make private purchases or attain leisure items?
    I presume you don't, and neither do I... I want to live my own life in my own way, and to enjoy the freedoms and pleasures of western society. While by no means as intense as the greed that drives a member of the elite to horde billions and billions of dollars for no other purpose than to relish the size of the number on their bank balance, it's greed that motivates me to live the way I do, that motivates you to live the way you do... and ten-billion people all struggling to live their lives the way they want to live them has an impact.
     
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