Yea and I said Paul already. You asked "why do you have to prove ______?" twice (I think) and I asked you didnt Paul say you have to study to show yourself approved? So why ask if Paul said that is my question.
Ok...well, thanks for the recap..I hadn’t remembered all of this convo.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
This is the version I have of that verse...so it actually doesn’t mean that I have to show you that I studied the word..if that’s your meaning, which I think is what you were trying to steer the convo to. I believe that I do accurately handle the word of truth.
All Im doing is asking you if you believe what He said.. I know why you're giving the run around though
Psalm 50
16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
You think you know..but I am answering you honestly. I already gave you a verse from Ezekiel that shows that God would bring them into the land for His sake not because they measured up to the scriptures that you’ve posted. Take it or leave it.
Well I cant argue against your interpretation of what I said. So if you interpret what I said differently, then let me "interpret" what I meant. They werent in Egypt for 400 years, nor were they oppressed in Egypt for 400 years.
If you feel Im wrong, and you brought up the "430" verse, I ask(ed), do the genealogies match that? I brought up Moses' lineage to Levi and said add it up and explain where you get 400 or 430 years in Egypt from that. Thats where we're at. Im asking you to "count" the 400 years you say they were in Egypt before/during the time of Moses and also include them being OPPRESSED for that 400 years. OR you can go to Genesis and count from when Jacob and/or Joseph entered Egypt and see how you can get the 400 number. Can you do it? Because I know that one has to STRETCH to get to 350, let alone 400 when it comes to matching Genesis 15:13 saying they'd be OPPRESSED in a foreign land for 400 years. Not just IN a land.
Scripture doesn’t back up your interpretation..as it does say they were in Egypt for that long.
Why would I have to count anything when God says they were oppressed and in Egypt for that long? When I added up the numbers it was 408 actually...but we don’t really know how old Judah was when he arrived.
Egypt wasn’t their land..
Genesis 15:13
God said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years.“
And...it looks like their slavery in Egypt met those conditions...
Exodus 1:1-11, 13-14
Now these are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob; they came each one with his household: Reuben, Simeon, Levi and Judah; Issachar, Zebulun and Benjamin; Dan and Naphtali, Gad and Asher. All the persons who came from the loins of Jacob were seventy in number, but Joseph was already in Egypt. Joseph died, and all his brothers and all that generation. But the sons of Israel were fruitful and increased greatly, and multiplied, and became exceedingly mighty, so that the land was filled with them. Now a new king arose over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. He said to his people, “Behold, the people of the sons of Israel are more and mightier than we. Come, let us deal wisely with them, or else they will multiply and in the event of war, they will also join themselves to those who hate us, and fight against us and depart from the land.” So they appointed taskmasters over them to afflict them with hard labor. And they built for Pharaoh storage cities, Pithom and Raamses.
The Egyptians compelled the sons of Israel to labor rigorously; and they made their lives bitter with hard labor in mortar and bricks and at all kinds of labor in the field, all their labors which they rigorously imposed on them.
Wait, someone in America, who was born in America, is questioning if black people were hung on trees the most historically in America? And then you say "the good out of the bad" is that its not happening anymore?
Then you say "God isnt a micro manager" when the bible you claim you believe wholly said He hardened pharaohs heart so that he wouldnt let Israel go? He sent an evil spirit to Saul? He sent a lying spirit to PROPHETS in the book of Kings? Amos says that disaster doesnt happen without HIM planning it? He makes known the beginning and the end? All this and all of a sudden slavery/lynching of black people didnt happen on His watch?
My point? Well one, you think worshiping something cursed, can bring you salvation. And two, that America was an instrument in "cursing" black people. Thats why they hung them on trees. Or being enslaved by a foreign nation. Or having their families split up. And on and on I can go. These (and more) are specific signs Deuteronomy points as curses to Israelites/their descendents. And these things, in totality happened MAINLY to black people. And thats strictly speaking of the country YOU live in. And why they dont get lynched anymore? Because the curses are over. And thats why the world is in the predicament they're in, its why the pope is dropping his titles, its why parts of the royal family are trying to defect out. Its over. Theres no NWO coming, all that talk was already here. Whats actually coming, is the stuff the OT speaks about...
Wasn’t there good from the bad? Black people are free from slavery..that’s good isn’t it? I guess, if I were obsessed with that time period as you seem to be, I would know more about it.
God isn‘t a micro manager..we have free will to do good or evil..but we don’t get a free pass with evil even if we aren’t punished right away. I just don’t think the slavery of black people was because God did it but I do believe He brought good out of it. Not everything is because God planned it to happen...lots of people through history were also enslaved and had terrible things done to them...not just black Africans.
He was cursed because He had the sin of the world upon Him..but He didn’t stay cursed...He died and rose 3 days later to sit at the right hand of the Father...so not cursed.
No, they don’t get lynched anymore because people wouldn’t put up with that stuff..they are free men now, it has nothing to do with curses.
There is a NWO coming, its Biblical and the antichrist will be the ultimate evil head of it...
But you never explained how you proved they were the chosen people? Is it them just saying it and going somewhere and conquering someone elses land and calling it Israel? Meaning its not about anything God said would happen (according to the OT) but just about what they themselves managed to accomplish?
Deuteronomy 7:6-8
For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. “The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.