The egg and God

rainerann

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you are trying to make things way more complicated than they are.

I had absolutely no idea what you were trying to say with that verse until now...we read the Bible very differently you and I.
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Like I said, you are having trouble understanding the actual complexity being presented and should not be trying to teach anything about it as though you have any kind of authority to do so.
 






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Like I said, you are having trouble understanding the actual complexity being presented and should not be trying to teach anything about it as though you have any kind of authority to do so.
Who says I don’t have any authority to teach God’s word? What authority do you think someone needs to have?

There is no complexity..that’s just it..you are trying to make it more complex and muddy when it isn’t that at all.
 






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Who says I don’t have any authority to teach God’s word? What authority do you think someone needs to have?

There is no complexity..that’s just it..you are trying to make it more complex and muddy when it isn’t that at all.
To say there is no complexity to something like this is to deny the reality that there have been several hundreds of years of the scientific study of the world demonstrating a deeper complexity than what can be seen on the surface. The study of science will be more useful to mankind than hundreds of years of filled with people cloned to believe the way you do about things.
 






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To say there is no complexity to something like this is to deny the reality that there have been several hundreds of years of the scientific study of the world demonstrating a deeper complexity than what can be seen on the surface. The study of science will be more useful to mankind than hundreds of years of filled with people cloned to believe the way you do about things.
There is no complexity in an egg.

Science doesn’t save anyone...not in the way we need to be anyway...
 






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There is no complexity in an egg.

Science doesn’t save anyone...not in the way we need to be anyway...
Science has achieved the potential to live life and live it abundantly. Complexity is a good thing.
 






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Science has achieved the potential to live life and live it abundantly. Complexity is a good thing.
Science isn’t going to save you or anyone else from the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Edit: and science can’t forgive sins.
 






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Science isn’t going to save you or anyone else from the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Edit: and science can’t forgive sins.
Right, but it is the year 2020. The Bible describes a more complex phenomenon already and people are more accustomed to seeing the world with more complexity. You are basically shooting yourself in the foot by assuming that they should be satisfied with a simple answer that appears relatively old fashioned and is inadequate to describe the whole situation anyway; or risk accusations of being not saved.
 






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Right, but it is the year 2020. The Bible describes a more complex phenomenon already and people are more accustomed to seeing the world with more complexity. You are basically shooting yourself in the foot by assuming that they should be satisfied with a simple answer that appears relatively old fashioned or risk accusations of being not saved.
What complex phenomenon are ya talking about now? :rolleyes:

This thread was never a thread for proof of salvation..but a thread to help people understand the trinity. How could God be One God but also three. You’re the one that that got so confused about something that was never meant to be confusing in the first place but enlightening.

And it wasn’t that you didn’t believe in the trinity that unmasked you so to speak..its everything else you talked about such as Jesus not being God and not believing the Bible that got me thinking that you aren’t really a Christian at all. Needing proof when we are told that we are to walk by faith. You go against what Christians perceive as truth and then say you are the Christian and those people aren’t and we will be well done with them. You outed yourself over a simple explanation on how God could say He is One God but with three persons.
 






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What complex phenomenon are ya talking about now? :rolleyes:

This thread was never a thread for proof of salvation..but a thread to help people understand the trinity. How could God be One God but also three. You’re the one that that got so confused about something that was never meant to be confusing in the first place but enlightening.

And it wasn’t that you didn’t believe in the trinity that unmasked you so to speak..its everything else you talked about such as Jesus not being God and not believing the Bible that got me thinking that you aren’t really a Christian at all. Needing proof when we are told that we are to walk by faith. You go against what Christians perceive as truth and then say you are the Christian and those people aren’t and we will be well done with them. You outed yourself over a simple explanation on how God could say He is One God but with three persons.
well you out yourself every time you come on here because you portray a picture that following Christ is nothing more than a sort of trophy for you and teaching about judging others among other teachings that make Jesus appealing to even non Christians, mean nothing to you really.

this is the only area I am on the fence over is when someone acts in arrogant self righteousness. This is the only real time that I think a person can lose their connection to Christ which is still not the same thing as losing their salvation.

remember why he tells the people to depart for he never knew them. It wasn’t because of their opinion on the trinity. It was because when people were hungry, they were snubbed. When people were without clothes they were misjudged in arrogance.

so like I was saying, you have made an idol for yourself because your speculations on the trinity do not protect you. They provide a false sense of security for you and I do not need this kind of false protection.
 






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If you really cared about things being simple, teaching about feeding and clothing the poor would be more important than making a case for the trinity.

it is actually you who is already making the gospel more complicated than it needs to be and inaccurately presenting the way everything is connected to god at the same time.
 






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well you out yourself every time you come on here because you portray a picture that following Christ is nothing more than a sort of trophy for you and teaching about judging others among other teachings that make Jesus appealing to even non Christians, mean nothing to you really.

this is the only area I am on the fence over is when someone acts in arrogant self righteousness. This is the only real time that I think a person can lose their connection to Christ which is still not the same thing as losing their salvation.

remember why he tells the people to depart for he never knew them. It wasn’t because of their opinion on the trinity. It was because when people were hungry, they were snubbed. When people were without clothes they were misjudged in arrogance.

so like I was saying, you have made an idol for yourself because your speculations on the trinity do not protect you. They provide a false sense of security for you and I do not need this kind of false protection.
What is more appealing that being saved from the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth or being forgiven your sins or coming to Jesus who will give you rest? However..the narrow part is the belief on Jesus as God and the only One who can save you and reconcile you to God the Father. You can’t escape that and say you are saved.

I think I see another osas comment and maybe that’s what fuels you into thinking you are saved? Osas...and now you are safe? Yet...the Bible doesn’t teach osas..far from it..one must be in the faith and not fall from it.

I thought it was depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness..Matthew 7:23


What false sense of security? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, just like I’ve said.
 






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What is more appealing that being saved from the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth or being forgiven your sins or coming to Jesus who will give you rest? However..the narrow part is the belief on Jesus as God and the only One who can save you and reconcile you to God the Father. You can’t escape that and say you are saved.

I think I see another osas comment and maybe that’s what fuels you into thinking you are saved? Osas...and now you are safe? Yet...the Bible doesn’t teach osas..far from it..one must be in the faith and not fall from it.

I thought it was depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness..Matthew 7:23


What false sense of security? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, just like I’ve said.
Lol like i said, you make your own religion up when it is convenient for you.

it literally says that the ones who are cursed are who don’t help the thirsty or the stranger, but according to Lisa. It doesn’t say that. It says that those who don’t parrot the tale of the egg are workers of lawlessness.

I know this is difficult for you to understand because it challenges the way you want to see things but it is the way it is. You tout your opinion on the trinity like it is a trophy and ignore the actual teaching of Christ.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:41-46

You can’t make a religion up out of thin air and then think you can accuse people of being disobedient to your imaginary rules. It doesn’t work that way. I may be rejected by Lisa’s religions, but I’m not rejected by god.
 






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Lol like i said, you make your own religion up when it is convenient for you.

it literally says that the ones who are cursed are who don’t help the thirsty or the stranger, but according to Lisa. It doesn’t say that. It says that those who don’t parrot the tale of the egg are workers of lawlessness.

I know this is difficult for you to understand because it challenges the way you want to see things but it is the way it is. You tout your opinion on the trinity like it is a trophy and ignore the actual teaching of Christ.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:41-46

You can’t make a religion up out of thin air and then think you can accuse people of being disobedient to your imaginary rules. It doesn’t work that way. I may be rejected by Lisa’s religions, but I’m not rejected by god.
You’re the one making your own religion and discarding the Bible...

Both verses are the same...the ones that get thrown into the fire and are told to depart are the ones that commit lawlessness. All the people on the right of the King will be welcomed into the kingdom. The ones on the left are the ones that were lawless and go into eternal punishment.

I didn’t make up any religion out of thin air..you did that..because you don’t like the narrow path.

You’ve rejected the One true God and its quite obvious from talking to you.
 






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It's honestly really sad that some people have to turn to an egg to make sense of God and even than still doesn't make any sense. An egg when separated is no longer an egg but rather a yolk, shell, and egg white and once separated is not considered an egg (one).

Lisa, if you want to believe God is a Trinity than so be it but please don't try to insult our intelligence and compare Him to an egg. You only make yourself look foolish.
 






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You’re the one making your own religion and discarding the Bible...

Both verses are the same...the ones that get thrown into the fire and are told to depart are the ones that commit lawlessness. All the people on the right of the King will be welcomed into the kingdom. The ones on the left are the ones that were lawless and go into eternal punishment.

I didn’t make up any religion out of thin air..you did that..because you don’t like the narrow path.

You’ve rejected the One true God and its quite obvious from talking to you.
Yes and lawlessness is defined by not helping others. It is not defined by whether or not you accept your opinion on the trinity. It is confusing that you keep using these verses to defend yourself when they so clearly work against it.

either way, Christianity is about transformation. I know I can clearly describe the way my life is transformed by Christ.

while I never hear you say anything about personal transformation. You speak like a Pharisee who would argue with Christ over the importance of accepting your doctrine on the trinity the same way the Pharisees argued over breaking the sabbath.

so no, I know I have not rejected god. My thinking is that your memory has made certain associations from the time you were saved that made you feel safe and like you were making the right decision. So you have resisted the opportunity to grow because of this and have experienced very little in the way of transformation.

my guess is that you are very much the same person you were when you accepted Christ, which is such a way to waste the opportunity that is being offered.
 






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It's honestly really sad that some people have to turn to an egg to make sense of God and even than still doesn't make any sense. An egg when separated is no longer an egg but rather a yolk, shell, and egg white and once separated is not considered an egg (one).

Lisa, if you want to believe God is a Trinity than so be it but please don't try to insult our intelligence and compare Him to an egg. You only make yourself look foolish.
You still think of it as an egg..or part of an egg...that’s the point. Its one egg with three different roles...not unlike God.

How is it an insult to your intelligence? This is the easiest analogy to ever be grasped! Are you saying you can’t understand an easy analogy? I think you’re the one that made yourself look foolish here...
 






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Yes and lawlessness is defined by not helping others. It is not defined by whether or not you accept your opinion on the trinity. It is confusing that you keep using these verses to defend yourself when they so clearly work against it.

either way, Christianity is about transformation. I know I can clearly describe the way my life is transformed by Christ.

while I never hear you say anything about personal transformation. You speak like a Pharisee who would argue with Christ over the importance of accepting your doctrine on the trinity the same way the Pharisees argued over breaking the sabbath.

so no, I know I have not rejected god. My thinking is that your memory has made certain associations from the time you were saved that made you feel safe and like you were making the right decision. So you have resisted the opportunity to grow because of this and have experienced very little in the way of transformation.

my guess is that you are very much the same person you were when you accepted Christ, which is such a way to waste the opportunity that is being offered.
Does your psychobabble help you? Because I think its pretty bizarre that you are trying to analyze me.

Actually, the Bible says that lawlessness is sin and sin is lawlessness
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.​


I don’t think your life has been transformed by Christ..you don’t even know Him and at this point..He doesn’t know you either.
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:22-23‬ ‭
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.​


You have rejected the One true God in everything you’ve said, you reject Him. I think that instead of trying to find fault in me so you don’t have to listen to me..you should find where you went wrong and repent...I hope its not too late for you!!
 






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You have rejected the One true God in everything you’ve said, you reject Him. I think that instead of trying to find fault in me so you don’t have to listen to me..you should find where you went wrong and repent...I hope its not too late for you!!
Right back at ya
 






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Right back at ya
Is that supposed to mean something? I’m not the one who said they don’t believe Jesus is God and that the Bible isn’t infallible. You also spell God with a small g..can you deny Him any more than that? O ya..you don’t care for His chosen people. God has an Israeli foreign policy..ya know? God will bless those that bless Israel and curse those who curse them...you might want to think about whose side you are really on here.
 






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