AspiringSoul you are word-gaming. Communicating with spirits, demons or any other spiritual entities names Muslims use IS benefiting from them or using them. You are receiving information that cannot be obtained via religious texts or living people here on earth, using 5 physical senses ONLY.
Jesus did not seek to meet Satan either. The (HOLY) Spirit, third person of the Trinity led Jesus to go to the desert.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4:1-11&version=KJV
So Muhammad (allegedly) met with spirits - even if that is true according to your texts surely that does not make it OK in Muslims' eyes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jinn
That link sounds like that Muhammad was happy to communicate with Al-Jinn!!!
That is disgraceful.
If you truly believe in the Old Testament Muslims will condemn all forms of the Occult because the God of the Old Testament condemned communication with evil spirits or the dead.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+18:9-13&version=KJV
1) religion is about seeing truth beyond the sense objects. If you were going to base truth on the 5 physical senses you would have to become an atheist.
2) life beyond the physical, is a major part of the religious message. However our theology differs from pagan theology in that we do not attribute divinity to any spirit. There is no 'ilah' except Allah...hence the fear and servitude from humans towards the jinnkind is completely annexed in islamic thought.
The haraam in connection with them is
-not trying to control them. Just as they can posses humans, humans can control their will..that's pretty scary and evil.
-using them for evil
-trying to obtain some information from them that would otherwise be private ie asking them about what other people do. This is basic eavesdropping and it is against our rules.
3)
As i said, Jesus was fasting for 40 days and he was conscious, in this state his brain would product dmt and the spirit would would open up to him.
being 'led by the spirit' is just a way of saying he was led by consciousness and not flesh.
Basically here Jesus gets into a convo with 'satan'.
The end.
was he 'consulting with spirits?'
technically he was......
but it's different and you already know why.
4) Once again, jinns are not demons per se. they can become demonic, but they can also be good.
Who are you to tell me i'm 'word gaming' lol?
here are various verses from the Quran regarding them
(1) Yet they make the jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!
(سورة الأنعام, Al-An'aam, Chapter #6, Verse #100)
(1) So on that Day no question will be asked of man or jinns as to his sin, [because they have already been known from their faces either white (dwellers of Paradise - true believers of Islamic Monotheism) or black (dwellers of Hell - polytheists; disbelievers, criminals)].
(سورة الرحمن, Ar-Rahmaan, Chapter #55, Verse #39)
(2) Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.
(سورة الأنعام, Al-An'aam, Chapter #6, Verse #112)
(4) "O ye assembly of jinns and men! came there not unto you messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith.
(سورة الأنعام, Al-An'aam, Chapter #6, Verse #130)
(6) Many are the jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
(سورة الأعراف, Al-A'raaf, Chapter #7, Verse #179)
You wrote
That link sounds like that Muhammad was happy to communicate with Al-Jinn!!!
That is disgraceful.
in our understanding, men are not different to jinns, at least as far as possessing consciousness/intelligence is concerned.
do you know the seraphs are jinns?
what is the bible's position regarding them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph
they're good and evil
https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/bible-interpretation-hermeneutics/serpents-and-seraphim
the 'serpent' is part of our own nature, it's our carnality/desires.
Do you view all humans are demons?
5)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+18:9-13&version=KJV
this is referring to 'mediums'
i already told you im against channeling.
6) again, when you're in a state of fasting the way Jesus was, your brain would produce DMT, your consciousness would merge with the spirit world.
the unseen would become seen.
in this case, it is natural and not forbidden.
however channelling and using methods like ouija bourd are dangerous and evil.
7)
book of Enoch
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl, taught astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon.
a lot of that knowledge is useful isn't it?
in this case humans werent channelling, these beings were physically manifesting (many are capable of doing this)
