The Democratic Primaries

[Thunderian]

Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016. Recent polls put his approval among black voters at about 33% or so. Not bad for the most racist president of all time.

 

[vancityeagle]

The establishment hated Trump during the primaries. He didn't really live up to it but he was clearly the anti establishment choice.

the establishment was running psychological warfare via Cambridge Analytica (a subsidiary of SCL Group, which was used by MI5 to rig elections worldwide)

their goal was to run an "anti-establishment" candidate. Yes "anti-establishment" in name only, because they realized they needed something new. The old era of politics with another Bush type was dead in the water. The Council For National Policy decided on 2 candidates, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.

No coincidence that those were the 2 final Republican candidates. Trump was the chosen one. He had been groomed by CNP operatives and his mentor Roy Cohn back in the 80's.

See more about the CNP in my thread here

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-council-for-national-policy-right-wing-organization-youve-never-heard-of.7171/

The establishment DID NOT hate Trump. They were using psychological warfare to boost his popularity, using data analytics like Cambridge Analytica in order to mold a psuedo "populist" / "anti-establishment" candidate.

The media (both conservative and liberal) gave him billions of dollars of free advertising to help him as well.

The establishment loves Trump. So much so that even establishment Democrats would rather another 4 years of Trump than to have Bernie Sanders.

 

[vancityeagle]

Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016. Recent polls put his approval among black voters at about 33% or so. Not bad for the most racist president of all time.

Polls can easily be manipulated.

For instance you could get a black voter on the phone and say this "Under Trump black unemployment is at its lowest rate in decades, do you approve of this ?" The person called says "Yes" and you count that as "approval"

Also 33% approval doesn't mean that 33% would vote for him.

 

[vancityeagle]

I just want to bring this up again.

Fox News, Tucker Carlson, and Russia Today all seem to be on the same page claiming that "the Democratic establishment will steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders"

A lot of these people who a while ago were fear mongering about socialism seem to have switched over to giving Sanders some positive coverage. Even Trump himself has defended Sanders against the "democratic establishment"

Its almost as if they've been given the heads up about what is going to happen.

I believe they have. They wouldn't be giving Sanders positive coverage if they thought he would be Trump's opponent. I think they know he will be cheated, and Fox News, Tucker Carlson, RT, and Trump himself will all express a fake solidarity with Sanders in order to try and win over voters for Trump and suppress Democratic turnout.

I am betting this is the strategy of the elites. They will cheat Sanders so openly and brazenly that Democratic voter turnout will be very low, and some may even vote for Trump. Trump will claim he is the "anti-establishment" guy again and frame the "corrupt, election stealing Democrats" as the "deep state"

I hope I am wrong, but this is how I see things going.

 

[vancityeagle]

Tom Steyer has dropped out.

Wonder who he will put all his money behind now.

 

[weskrongden]

Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016. Recent polls put his approval among black voters at about 33% or so. Not bad for the most racist president of all time.

Lol he has 90% disapproval, 80% think he's racist. I guarantee you he loses the black vote 90-10. Please stop being the epitome of a boomer.

More than half of Americans say Trump is racist, including 80% of African-Americans, a new poll found

A slim majority of Americans (51%) believe President Donald Trump is racist, according to a new Quinnipiac poll, while 45% say he is not.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[weskrongden]

the establishment was running psychological warfare via Cambridge Analytica (a subsidiary of SCL Group, which was used by MI5 to rig elections worldwide)

their goal was to run an "anti-establishment" candidate. Yes "anti-establishment" in name only, because they realized they needed something new. The old era of politics with another Bush type was dead in the water. The Council For National Policy decided on 2 candidates, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.

No coincidence that those were the 2 final Republican candidates. Trump was the chosen one. He had been groomed by CNP operatives and his mentor Roy Cohn back in the 80's.

See more about the CNP in my thread here

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-council-for-national-policy-right-wing-organization-youve-never-heard-of.7171/

The establishment DID NOT hate Trump. They were using psychological warfare to boost his popularity, using data analytics like Cambridge Analytica in order to mold a psuedo "populist" / "anti-establishment" candidate.

The media (both conservative and liberal) gave him billions of dollars of free advertising to help him as well.

The establishment loves Trump. So much so that even establishment Democrats would rather another 4 years of Trump than to have Bernie Sanders.

Didn't the Trump team themselves hire the Cambridge Anayltica? They were a private business helping (perhaps unethically) for money. They weren't part of the establishment. All the big establishment money and campaign people were with Jeb and Rubio. I don't believe it was a 4D chess move. The establishment aren't that smart. They just co opted and owned Trump after he won. Hillary out spent Trump by a ton too.

 

[Thunderian]

Please stop being the epitome of a boomer.

I’m not a boomer, hippie.

 

[justjess]

Eh well apparantly I’m a xennial. Who cares? Even if 90% of Black, brown, white, pink, purple and see through people like trump it wouldn’t change that he says and does racist things. He has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It is what it is.

 

[vancityeagle]

Didn't the Trump team themselves hire the Cambridge Anayltica? They were a private business helping (perhaps unethically) for money. They weren't part of the establishment. All the big establishment money and campaign people were with Jeb and Rubio. I don't believe it was a 4D chess move. The establishment aren't that smart. They just co opted and owned Trump after he won. Hillary out spent Trump by a ton too.

A subsidiary of a co. that works for British intelligence, and worldwide election rigging is not part of the establishment ?

Are you aware of who Robert Mercer is ? He ran Cambridge Analytica along with Steve Bannon. Mercer was Trump's second highest donor. Mercer is definately a part of the establishment. So is Sheldon Adelson, who was Trump's to financial backer.

"the establishment" is not monolithic, and you have different interests putting their money towards different candidates, but what is more important than strictly money, is who the intelligence networks are backing, and as I've shown you CA are linked to British intelligence.

Palantir owned by billionaire Peter Thiel, also backed Trump, and Palantir works with American intelligence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/us/cambridge-analytica-palantir.html

The estabishment aren't that smart to run an "anti-establishment" candidate ? You are very funny. You are smarter than them right ?

This plan has been long in the works. They've been running "anti-establishment" candidates going back to Goldwater, and even before with Charles Lindberg and his "America First Committee" pre WW2. Trump was groomed for this job by Roy Cohn back in the 1980's. Look into Roy Cohn, he was a major deep state operator behind a lot of political intrigue, also he is the predecessor for Trump's p***phile buddy Jeffrey Epstein, he ran CIA p***phile blackmail operations.

Trump is a long standing operation, money spent is not more important than intelligence backing from Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and members of the Fascist network within the USA (Council for National Policy).

Hillary was sabotaged heavily by this network, with disinformation campaigns, fake news, conveniently timed FBI investigations, etc.

 

[DavidSon]

Bernie Sanders is the capitalist last stand, just like FDR.

the system is going to crash and some elites understand that Social Democracy is needed to SAVE CAPITALISM from itself.

Professor Richard Wolff on Bernie Sanders.

Thanks for posting the video, that discussion went way deeper than I thought it could in 30 min. Wolff was really upbeat. No matter the outcome this year there is a shift in the common attitude towards our capitalist, fractional banking economic system. There are all types of positive signs in the popularity of Sanders' proposed reforms. I agree it's unprecedented. Authentic democratic movements are taking root worldwide, they can't be stopped.

 

[weskrongden]

A subsidiary of a co. that works for British intelligence, and worldwide election rigging is not part of the establishment ?

Are you aware of who Robert Mercer is ? He ran Cambridge Analytica along with Steve Bannon. Mercer was Trump's second highest donor. Mercer is definately a part of the establishment. So is Sheldon Adelson, who was Trump's to financial backer.

"the establishment" is not monolithic, and you have different interests putting their money towards different candidates, but what is more important than strictly money, is who the intelligence networks are backing, and as I've shown you CA are linked to British intelligence.

Palantir owned by billionaire Peter Thiel, also backed Trump, and Palantir works with American intelligence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/us/cambridge-analytica-palantir.html

The estabishment aren't that smart to run an "anti-establishment" candidate ? You are very funny. You are smarter than them right ?

This plan has been long in the works. They've been running "anti-establishment" candidates going back to Goldwater, and even before with Charles Lindberg and his "America First Committee" pre WW2. Trump was groomed for this job by Roy Cohn back in the 1980's. Look into Roy Cohn, he was a major deep state operator behind a lot of political intrigue, also he is the predecessor for Trump's p***phile buddy Jeffrey Epstein, he ran CIA p***phile blackmail operations.

Trump is a long standing operation, money spent is not more important than intelligence backing from Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and members of the Fascist network within the USA (Council for National Policy).

Hillary was sabotaged heavily by this network, with disinformation campaigns, fake news, conveniently timed FBI investigations, etc.

I know Robert Mercer, he was backing Ted Cruz all throughout the primaries. Hillary massively outspent Trump, that's just a fact.

I'm a big fan of Charles Lindbergh. You calling anyone right wing a fascist isn't going to win you many points.

 

[vancityeagle]

I know Robert Mercer, he was backing Ted Cruz all throughout the primaries. Hillary massively outspent Trump, that's just a fact.

I'm a big fan of Charles Lindbergh. You calling anyone right wing a fascist isn't going to win you many points.

Yes Mercer initially backed Cruz but then switched his entire apparatus (Cambride Analytica, Breitbart etc.) to back Trump.

He along with the CNP saw both candidates as a good "anti-establishment" persona in which to con voters with.

Yes Hillary outspent Trump, but Trump had the backing of Israeli and Russian intelligence, military psychological operations (Cambridge Analytica)

Money isn't everything when it comes to winning elections, the ability to carry out psy ops and dirty tricks are frankly more important than buying TV ads. Social media was a major factor as well and the Trump team had that on lock.

Yeah I can see why you would be a fan of Lindberg, and yes he was a fascist. Denial is not a substitute for facts.

 

[justjess]

I have family over this weekend. They are trump supporters. They are sitting in my kitchen complaining they spend $25,000/year for health insurance. I say “you should vote for sanders” - I get told HES A COMMUNIST. Lol.. they’d be paying less than 6,000/year for health insurance under sanders communist plan/tax (probably way less but idk their full income so I’m estimating). It amazes me. Boggles my mind.

How can people sit here, identify the same problems, know what would actually help their family.. and vote the opposite way? Is it some sort of denied reality/misinformed optimism that sometime in the future those wealth taxes might actually effect them? A complete and utter misunderstanding of what communism actually is? A lack of education? Extremely effective societal level propagandizing?

 

[vancityeagle]

I have family over this weekend. They are trump supporters. They are sitting in my kitchen complaining they spend $25,000/year for health insurance. I say “you should vote for sanders” - I get told HES A COMMUNIST. Lol.. they’d be paying less than 6,000/year for health insurance under sanders communist plan/tax (probably way less but idk their full income so I’m estimating). It amazes me. Boggles my mind.

How can people sit here, identify the same problems, know what would actually help their family.. and vote the opposite way? Is it some sort of denied reality/misinformed optimism that sometime in the future those wealth taxes might actually effect them? A complete and utter misunderstanding of what communism actually is? A lack of education? Extremely effective societal level propagandizing?

Americans are the most propagandized in the world when it comes to anti-socialist narratives and ideology.

The elites have spent untold amounts of money brainwashing the American public into turning against their own personal interests, this was done ever since the Russian revolution and throughout the cold war.

Communism was first of all "godless" and the US being the radically "Christian" nation that it was fell for this type of propaganda, then all the narratives of genocidal dictators, loss of freedom, of course the racial element to anti-communist propaganda as well.

Frankly the older generation are a lost cause when it comes to this, and these elites are spending millions to also propagandize the youth through organizations like TurningPointUSA and Young Americans for Freedom, which push fascist propaganda on college and university campuses across the country.

 

[weskrongden]

Yes Mercer initially backed Cruz but then switched his entire apparatus (Cambride Analytica, Breitbart etc.) to back Trump.

He along with the CNP saw both candidates as a good "anti-establishment" persona in which to con voters with.

Yes Hillary outspent Trump, but Trump had the backing of Israeli and Russian intelligence, military psychological operations (Cambridge Analytica)

Money isn't everything when it comes to winning elections, the ability to carry out psy ops and dirty tricks are frankly more important than buying TV ads. Social media was a major factor as well and the Trump team had that on lock.

Yeah I can see why you would be a fan of Lindberg, and yes he was a fascist. Denial is not a substitute for facts.

He only did that after Trump had the nomination locked up. You brought up Adelson, I'm pretty confident he only backed Trump in the general, not the primary. Trump mostly relied on free media coverage from the press and social medi. I'm just notbuying Trump was the establishment pick during the primaries. You want to say he's been absorbed by the establishment since, that's something I'd agree with. As bad as Trump has been, the establishment could have gotten even more out of Jeb or Rubio. More military interventionism for sure. Same with Hillary. She's a grade A war monger.

I'm no fan of Israel but I don't know what Israeli psy ops you're talking about regarding the election. Hillary would have been subservient to Israel too, maybe not to quite the same degree. If you have information on that, I'd be genuinely interested in reading it. Russian interference is completely overblown by the mainstream media. It was memes on FB, that had no effect. If you're talking about the hacking of emails, I've never seen proof who did it, and even if it was Russia, so what? Our country meddles all the time.

I could just as easily talk about the forces against Trump, the dossier funded initially by Paul Singer who was a Rubio donor then picked upby Hillary. A British secret agent using Russian contacts. Or the access Hollywood tape leaked by the media to hurt Trump.

 

[weskrongden]

Americans are the most propagandized in the world when it comes to anti-socialist narratives and ideology.

The elites have spent untold amounts of money brainwashing the American public into turning against their own personal interests, this was done ever since the Russian revolution and throughout the cold war.

Communism was first of all "godless" and the US being the radically "Christian" nation that it was fell for this type of propaganda, then all the narratives of genocidal dictators, loss of freedom, of course the racial element to anti-communist propaganda as well.

Frankly the older generation are a lost cause when it comes to this, and these elites are spending millions to also propagandize the youth through organizations like TurningPointUSA and Young Americans for Freedom, which push fascist propaganda on college and university campuses across the country.

Lol at calling TPUSA and YAF facist. I actually think both those organizations are trash but you just keep throwing out that word. TPUSA is neoliberal. All that right wing propaganda about communism, you decry, you pull the same thing calling people you disagree with fascist. Stop using a simple minded buzzword and make coherent points.

 

[justjess]

I’m just generally concerned about people voting against their own interests due to propaganda. I don’t care what label is attached to anything.. I wish people would just look at things indpenedantly on their own merits.

 

[weskrongden]

I’m just generally concerned about people voting against their own interests due to propaganda. I don’t care what label is attached to anything.. I wish people would just look at things indpenedantly on their own merits.

One reason universal healthcare won't work is America has a 42% obesity rate. Fatass America with the health problems that result from it.

 

[justjess]

One reason universal healthcare won't work is America has a 42% obesity rate. Fatass America with the health problems that result from it.

It’s just excuse after lame excuse... every other country on earth has it. This should be a cause of embarrassment for the richest most powerful country EVER on earth.

If we were really worried about obesity universal health care would be EXACTLY the tool we need to try to address it. Reinforcement for healthy behavior - join a gym, keep your BMI down and eat healthy .5% reduction in your health care tax. We use sticks instead of carrots and it’s an ass backwards way to encourage good behavior. It doesn’t work. You just need to know the basic principles of human behavior to see this clearly.