The Dangers of Pornography - SHOCKING

Aero

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Murder is not a commodity. And I don't care what the fraternity of assassins have to say about that. When you sell a commodity the whole point is to sell something. Something in my hands goes into someone else's hands. So it doesn't matter what laws existed or when they did. Killing another person always had such serious consequences that it's not a commodity.

Someone has to pay the hangman but that's his duty to do the hangings. The hangman isn't shopping his hanging skills around, it's just what the hangman does. Porn, alcohol and drugs are commodities. A mob isn't going to hang you for doing them. And we have seen what the prohibition of commodities actually does. It just creates a huge criminal underworld. The thugs get rich and they run the show.
 

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As far as the "if you ban it, it would only"..... people make that same argument with a million different things. We might as well say "if you ban contract killers, you only make them underground"..... if we follow that logic, nothing should be illegal. Making things illegal only drives them underground goes the argument. So if we follow that logic to its conclusion, we should simply have no laws. People are going to murder, r*pe and steal whether it's legal or not. So from that point of view, all those should be legal.

Even before civilization and man-made laws, people did not go around killing and raping willy nilly, why? Because we humans have something called empathy. You cannot compare contract-killers and pornactors/makers. A killer infringes upon the free will of the one being killed. Porn is free will between consenting adults. You compare this with crime such as stealing, raping and other heinous acts, it is not in the same category at all. If we ban porn, ok, then what? Should we ban anti - religious heavy metal, as well? Should we ban gory artwork? We the people have a responsibility to ourselves to refrain from such things and share the knowledge of its harmful effects. This is where a benevolent media would come in handy and spread knowledge to the masses of the malignant properties of porn. For example, look how much smoking has decreased. Was it not a better tactic to share knowledge about it than to ban it?
 

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Even before civilization and man-made laws, people did not go around killing and raping willy nilly, why? Because we humans have something called empathy. You cannot compare contract-killers and pornactors/makers. A killer infringes upon the free will of the one being killed. Porn is free will between consenting adults. You compare this with crime such as stealing, raping and other heinous acts, it is not in the same category at all. If we ban porn, ok, then what? Should we ban anti - religious heavy metal, as well? Should we ban gory artwork? We the people have a responsibility to ourselves to refrain from such things and share the knowledge of its harmful effects. This is where a benevolent media would come in handy and spread knowledge to the masses of the malignant properties of porn. For example, look how much smoking has decreased. Was it not a better tactic to share knowledge about it than to ban it?
 

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As far as the "if you ban it, it would only"..... people make that same argument with a million different things. We might as well say "if you ban contract killers, you only make them underground"..... if we follow that logic, nothing should be illegal. Making things illegal only drives them underground goes the argument. So if we follow that logic to its conclusion, we should simply have no laws. People are going to murder, r*pe and steal whether it's legal or not. So from that point of view, all those should be legal.
colgate: no one said we shouldnt have laws. i am saying that we dont need laws that regulate morality.
educate people and theyll make the right decisions naturally.
 
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I'm more so speaking of the women/men forced into the industry rather than porn itself. Porn on its own is devoid of intimacy and simply provides instant gratification to the pleasure receptors that we all enjoy.

I do think that because of how we, I'm speaking of the U.S., have dealt with sex it has been detrimental to our minds and relationships and subsequently had effects on our youth that can't really be quantified. Though I think issues with sex stem from larger issues that we as a society haven't dealt with well that create industry opportunities for things like porn, abortion, etc.

I definitely agree that education on sex has been lacking and the overreaching arm of religious fanatics has contributed to the problem. We have between been conditioned to believe certain things like size matters on a man, vaginal tightness being something every woman should strive for(every woman's vaginal cavity is shaped differently), bigger is better, a man should last so long, and so on and so on.
I agree.
Porn gives real people unrealistic expectations of what beauty is, and makes people think that they aren’t doing it (no pun intended) right if it doesn’t resemble the scene staged in a porno.

Also, as you mentioned, the lack of intimacy of the actors (who are not married to each other) cheapens sex to a primal level of self-gratification.

Sadly, our youth is DEFINITELY affected by it, and the rise of fame in porn actors/actresses can lead unmentored youth to follow in their footsteps, hoping to achieve a similar “following”. My eldest son mentioned that a senior female at his high school filmed herself having group sex with 7 guys and then posted it on her instagram.

I told him that she could have made her point much easier (& less damaging) by simply posting a picture of herself holding a sign that read, “I have no self-respect”, because that is all it really proved.

Porn is truly toxic to the mind, body & soul.
 

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But doesn't banning porn violate some aspects of the first amendment?
I don't get why people are all that concerned with my thoughts that it should be banned.

Robert Bork argued for censorship in Slouching Towards Gomorrah in 1996. In the case of Roth v. United States in 1957 and in Memoirs v. Massachusetts in 1966 it was upheld that obscenity can be censored.

My point is- if I had these views in 1996, these views might not have been totally popular but I was still a normal person. Now if I have views which would have been acceptable as recently as 1996- now I'm apparently some sort of stone age barbarian.

So basically now if you refuse to accept wherever it is that society is headed and you refuse to change your beliefs based on where society moves- now you are a fanatic if you simply have beliefs and you wish to stick to them- unless your beliefs are exactly what the elites are pushing.

Being opposed to stuff like pornography has been perfectly normal for hundreds of years in the United States. The earth continued to spin.

In any case, people will act super shocked (I'm not meaning you- you seem pretty calm in your reaction) if you happen to say or think that porn should be banned. They have some sort of strong gut reaction.

It can't be for a rational reason. It has to be some sort of sense of insecurity on some sort of moral basis.

Because there is pretty much zero chance that porn is going to be banned in the US. There's pretty much no way it will actually happen and so there's no rational reason for people to treat my view as shocking. It's not like I have that sort of power- it's just my thought.
 

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I don't think banning porn is that shocking. It's just an extreme position to take. Like you should start with a smaller goal, and than if your idea builds momentum. Than you can think about moving to banning porn for real.

My rational is why don't we start simply. By trying to combat the easy access the internet provides to the porn market. And I'm not going to write out how to actually get that done. Because I don't want to ban porn or slash an entire industries revenue in half. That's a serious decision.

If your gut is telling you banning porn must be done. Go for it. But I think you should consider looking deep inside yourself. Find out if that's really your gut, or your Nazi gut.
 

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I don't think banning porn is that shocking. It's just an extreme position to take. Like you should start with a smaller goal, and than if your idea builds momentum. Than you can think about moving to banning porn for real.

My rational is why don't we start simply. By trying to combat the easy access the internet provides to the porn market. And I'm not going to write out how to actually get that done. Because I don't want to ban porn or slash an entire industries revenue in half. That's a serious decision.

If your gut is telling you banning porn must be done. Go for it. But I think you should consider looking deep inside yourself. Find out if that's really your gut, or your Nazi gut.
A ban isn't even needed but proper education about sex could change the world. We should be learning to harness our sexual appetites and learning healthy habits that would inhibit the pervasive nature and culture of pornography. A better alternative to pornography? Healthy relationships and healthy sexual habits.

Even if this was a Christian country I think sexual education beyond procreation should be taught rather than us feeling in the dark. It's such an integral part of a healthy marriage or relationship in general and ignorance, shyness, and negative social constructs shouldn't be at the forefront.

I really think porn is the culmination of various social and cultural issues that wet haven't tackled properly rather than being an issue all on its own and banning won't solve an issue that stems from larger issues.

It's nice talking ttyl you btw Aero
 
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I don't get why people are all that concerned with my thoughts that it should be banned.

Robert Bork argued for censorship in Slouching Towards Gomorrah in 1996. In the case of Roth v. United States in 1957 and in Memoirs v. Massachusetts in 1966 it was upheld that obscenity can be censored.

My point is- if I had these views in 1996, these views might not have been totally popular but I was still a normal person. Now if I have views which would have been acceptable as recently as 1996- now I'm apparently some sort of stone age barbarian.

So basically now if you refuse to accept wherever it is that society is headed and you refuse to change your beliefs based on where society moves- now you are a fanatic if you simply have beliefs and you wish to stick to them- unless your beliefs are exactly what the elites are pushing.

Being opposed to stuff like pornography has been perfectly normal for hundreds of years in the United States. The earth continued to spin.

In any case, people will act super shocked (I'm not meaning you- you seem pretty calm in your reaction) if you happen to say or think that porn should be banned. They have some sort of strong gut reaction.

It can't be for a rational reason. It has to be some sort of sense of insecurity on some sort of moral basis.

Because there is pretty much zero chance that porn is going to be banned in the US. There's pretty much no way it will actually happen and so there's no rational reason for people to treat my view as shocking. It's not like I have that sort of power- it's just my thought.
Ok thats not my point. My point is ok censorship is fine. But outright banning to me violates the 1st amendment in many ways.
 

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If your gut is telling you banning porn must be done. Go for it. But I think you should consider looking deep inside yourself. Find out if that's really your gut, or your Nazi gut.
I've already stated... it's not actually gonna happen (at least not in US). It's just my thought. But I don't actually run things.

As far as being against porn meaning I'm a Nazi... if that's Nazism, I'm a Nazi lol.

As I've stated many times- prostitution should not magically become legal due to a camera.

Ok thats not my point. My point is ok censorship is fine. But outright banning to me violates the 1st amendment in many ways.
I talked about legal precedence. Only since the latter half of the 1960's does that seem to be the approach. For nearly 200 years before that, the US had the 1st Amendment yet it was not interpreted that way. The earth continued to spin.

If we got rid of pornography and reduced the sexual exploitation of women, the earth will continue to spin. If anything the world will be better off.

People say "but people will do it anyways" but on that basis we could just argue we should just have no laws at all.
 

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Just to address the falsehood that the issue only impacts individuals and that pornography does not have an impact on society

http://www.aggiecatholicblog.org/2014/05/the-impact-of-porn-by-the-numbers/

The Impact of Porn – By The Numbers


Here are some startling statistics compiled from a variety of academic and popular sources. I am sure you have heard how much money porn makes, how much there is, etc. But, what many don’t see as much is the impact porn is having on individuals and society.

Here are some stats I have found (links give sources).

ADDICTION:
*Porn is more addictive than cocaine or heroin.

SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE:
*it isn’t as widely accepted as some might make you think.

  • 76% of U.S. adults disagree that viewing hardcore adult pornography on the internet is morally acceptable;”
  • 74% disagree that “viewing hardcore adult pornography on the Internet provides, generally, harmless entertainment;”
MEN:
*According to a survey published in the Journal of the American Psychological Association, 86% of men are likely to click on Internet sex sites if given the opportunity.

WOMEN:
*34% of female readers of Today’s Christian Woman’s online newsletter admitted to intentionally accessing Internet porn.

MARRIAGE:
*According to the Journal of Adolescent Health, prolonged exposure to pornography leads to:

  • An exaggerated perception of sexual activity in society
  • Diminished trust between intimate couples
  • The abandonment of the hope of sexual monogamy
  • Belief that promiscuity is the natural state
  • Belief that abstinence and sexual inactivity are unhealthy
  • Cynicism about love or the need for affection between sexual partners
  • Belief that marriage is sexually confining
  • Lack of attraction to family and child-raising
*According to sociologist Jill Manning, the research indicates pornography consumption is associated with the following six trends, among others:

  • Increased marital distress, and risk of separation and divorce
  • Decreased marital intimacy and sexual satisfaction
  • Infidelity
  • Increased appetite for more graphic types of pornography and sexual activity associated with abusive, illegal or unsafe practices
  • Devaluation of monogamy, marriage and child rearing
  • An increasing number of people struggling with compulsive and addictive sexual behavior
*The American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers (divorce lawyers) reported that the most salient factors present in divorce cases are as follows:

  • 68% of the divorces involved one party meeting a new lover over the Internet.
  • 56% involved one party having “an obsessive interest in pornographic websites.”
  • 47% involved spending excessive time on the computer.
  • 33% involved excessive time spent speaking in chat rooms.
CHILDREN:
*According to research from Family Safe Media, the largest group of viewers of Internet porn is children between ages 12 and 17.

*According to a study cited in the Washington Post, more than 11 million teenagers view Internet pornography on a regular basis.


*When a child or adolescent is directly exposed to pornography the following effects have been documented:

  • Lasting negative or traumatic emotional responses.
  • Earlier onset of first sexual intercourse, thereby increasing the risk of STD’s over the lifespan.
  • The belief that superior sexual satisfaction is attainable without having affection for one’s partner, thereby reinforcing the commoditization of sex and the objectification of humans.
  • The belief that being married or having a family are unattractive prospects.
  • Increased risk for developing sexual compulsions and addictive behavior.
  • Increased risk of exposure to incorrect information about human sexuality long before a minor is able to contextualize this information in ways an adult brain could.
  • And overestimating the prevalence of less common practices (e.g., group sex, bestiality, or sadomasochistic activity).
*A study of youth between the ages of 10 and 17 concluded that there is a significant relationship between frequent porn use and feelings of loneliness and major depression.

*51% of male college students and 32% of female college students first viewed pornography before teenage years (12 and younger).

CHRISTIANITY:

*In 1994, a survey showed 91% of men raised in Christian homes were exposed to pornography while growing up (compared to 98% of those not raised in a Christian home).

*In August 2006, a survey reported 50% of all Christian men and 20% of all Christian women are addicted to pornography. 60% of the women who answered the survey admitted to having significant struggles with lust; 40% admitted to being involved in sexual sin in the past year.
 

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Not only that but the risk of STDs and everything is higher until your name gets out there but a lot of women are going amateur in that they set their own terms and stuff like cam girls but making full on scenes.

There's been some likes Jazmine Cashmere who did it for money to support her children until the allure wore off and she doing Christianity. I've heard once you're in its pretty hard to get out especially if you are like this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/07/porn-star-august-ames-commits-suicide-after-bullying-for-not-wanting-to-have-sex-with-man-who-did-gay-porn.html&ved=2ahUKEwiYiKvq8MnaAhXo5IMKHdAkAQYQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1SejJP5Pi9HQGDK-Ila2M6

From what I understand she was sexually abused and found power in porn only to be harassed and threatened by the same people fapping to her.

https://m.ranker.com/list/adult-stars-who-committed-suicide/celebrity-lists

Ultimately it just is not a healthy industry or work environment but it's peddled to us like sex is the ultimate display of masculinity/femininity and power. To be honest it's really sad to see the look of drugs of just emptiness in their eyes as they just fake moan and get pounded for money. That's no way to live or be and there's no glory or anything to it at the end of the day because both parties were just meat puppets catering to an industry peddling filth and debauchery.

Sex should be an intimate and beautiful thing shared between adults rather than what porn manipulates the psyche into believing.
That was a sad sad list. Damn.
 
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