The Closing of the Liberal Mind: How Groupthink and Intolerance Define the Left

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And this is why I am fed up with the Donald Trump stuff..... the more he alienates people, the more he prepares the ground for another liberal bringing who knows what sort of unwanted "change".... but also I'm just annoyed with how liberals will act like you're Hitler if you have a different opinion than them
 

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Well, keep in mind that the investigation was about Russian collusion and all they got was campaign finance issues. The deep state put their knee in the chest of Cohen and got to him, People will say and do anything when faced with eternal jail. What is lost in all this is Facebook sneaking out their plans to give people social media scores and them contacting banks which is akin to the platform they created for China to make its society conform to the party line. Groupthink is here but they have been unable to involve everybody without action. There was a time in the US when liberals stood up for free speech, but those days are gone. But I do think people are waking up which is a good sign, but most still do not want to rock the boat and are already enslaved. I am not agreeing with Trump tactics but he has held the deep state at bay and they are all in on his ouster. We'd have seen war with Iran already had the other candidate won and he at least pisses PC groupthink types off.
 

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Well, keep in mind that the investigation was about Russian collusion and all they got was campaign finance issues. The deep state put their knee in the chest of Cohen and got to him, People will say and do anything when faced with eternal jail. What is lost in all this is Facebook sneaking out their plans to give people social media scores and them contacting banks which is akin to the platform they created for China to make its society conform to the party line. Groupthink is here but they have been unable to involve everybody without action. There was a time in the US when liberals stood up for free speech, but those days are gone. But I do think people are waking up which is a good sign, but most still do not want to rock the boat and are already enslaved.
Russian collusion? Campaign finance? Someone named Cohen?

I don't keep up with that stuff.

But I'm tired of them putting out this "it was the Russians" stuff.

Obsessing over Russian plots is for old people.

We need something fresh, something new.

Now personally I like conspiracy theories with Freemasons. I'm not too much of a reptilians guy. But I know the PC people will have a heart attack if CNN starts reporting "Freemasonic collusion".

Why not the Hawaiians? Think about it- now that would be a plot twist. Think about it. No one would see that coming. They show videos... you see peaceful scenes of Hawaii... and then they zoom in... boom. Beneath the palm tree is a megalomaniac Hawaiian supervillian, stroking his chin... maniacally. They reproduce statements from anonymous witnesses describing a shadowy Hawaiian elite running the world. Capturing James Bond. Setting up El Chapo. Rigging elections. Controlling Donald Trump. Smuggling cocaine in coconuts.

Now that would be a story.
 
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If you're an American liberal or an American conservative, chances are you're equally closed-minded.
 

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If you're an American liberal or an American conservative, chances are you're equally closed-minded.
Regardless of anyone's subjective opinion of how "closed-minded" or otherwise their opinions are....

the conservatives are way less likely to start yelling at you if you disagree with them.
 

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It's been my personal experience that cultural "coffee-shop" leftists are the most pompous and hyper-sensitive people in our rotten society. No right-of-center man I've talked to has ever taken personal offense to a liberal opinion, yet the nastiness of the Left when encountering a minor difference in ideals is truly baffling.

It must be a heavy burden carrying so much bitterness and self-importance.
 
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Regardless of anyone's subjective opinion of how "closed-minded" or otherwise their opinions are....

the conservatives are way less likely to start yelling at you if you disagree with them.
No.

But they'll often act like just as arrogant and condescending. I mean, I've talked to a lot of conservatives who've called me ignorant for prefer socialism to capitalism... All while unironically thinking liberalism is socialism and only knowing what other people told them. :p And if I could dollar each time they looked down on me and said they'd pray for me... Well, I wouldn't be rich but I'd have enough to pick up a couple of records.
 

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they'll often act like just as arrogant and condescending. I mean, I've talked to a lot of conservatives who've called me ignorant for prefer socialism to capitalism... All while unironically thinking liberalism is socialism and only knowing what other people told them. :p And if I could dollar each time they looked down on me and said they'd pray for me...
That's very mild compared to how liberals will act.
 

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Regardless of anyone's subjective opinion of how "closed-minded" or otherwise their opinions are....

the conservatives are way less likely to start yelling at you if you disagree with them.
Witnessing postwar America slipping into moral relativism, and the failure of the country’s institutions to stand against those who wished to destroy them, he [Irving Krystol] certainly migrated — although he disputed whether it was him or the world around him that had moved. Becoming a neoconservative in the 1960s did not require a leap, he once pointed out: ‘All you had to do was stand in place.’ ‘A neoconservative,’ he famously explained, ‘is a liberal who has been mugged by reality.’

*As far as I am concerned, the terms liberal and conservative are not all that useful.

The way I see things is that some things are true and good and others are false and evil, regardless of the way the majority of society feels about them.

Simplistically you could imagine a society where the "new maths" had all but replaced the concept that 2+2=4 in education and popular culture. The mathematical truth remains aloof and unchanged by current thinking.

With the moral law, if people alone are the standard and source of morals and ethics, the question "how long is a piece of string" must surely be "as long as the other pieces of string agree it is".

The fact that almost everyone has a sense of morality existing outside their own preferences hints at a source of morality beyond their own whims (at least to me).
 
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I don't know if it's really that typical for liberals to be closed minded. Not when compared to the rest of the population.

This is called Misleading Vividness. And that's a logical fallacy. Put simply you all are putting more weight behind a small number of dramatic events. When you should be putting weight behind the significant statistical evidence that suggests Liberals are way more inclusive.
 

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I don't know if it's really that typical for liberals to be closed minded. Not when compared to the rest of the population.

This is called Misleading Vividness. And that's a logical fallacy. Put simply you all are putting more weight behind a small number of dramatic events. When you should be putting weight behind the significant statistical evidence that suggests Liberals are way more inclusive.
I think "inclusive" and "exclusive" are an interesting angle.

It appears liberals, whilst inclusive and tolerant of many diverse ideas are also exclusively against particular viewpoints.
 

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I think "inclusive" and "exclusive" are an interesting angle.

It appears liberals, whilst inclusive and tolerant of many diverse ideas are also exclusively against particular viewpoints.
Exclusive seems like a far more accurate term to describe liberals. But conversely, I think that argument works better against conservatives. Their voting pattern suggests they exclusively vote for white Christians.

Either way, though I try not to generalize. I disagree with reducing people to caricatures. Of course, some people *are* those caricatures, but a caricature doesn't speak for everybody. So with that said, what does open-mindedness even mean? Like how do we define that, and more importantly how do we stick to the standard?

Just saying. True open-mindedness seems rare.
 

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Exclusive seems like a far more accurate term to describe liberals. But conversely, I think that argument works better against conservatives. Their voting pattern suggests they exclusively vote for white Christians.

Either way, though I try not to generalize. I disagree with reducing people to caricatures. Of course, some people *are* those caricatures, but a caricature doesn't speak for everybody. So with that said, what does open-mindedness even mean? Like how do we define that, and more importantly how do we stick to the standard?

Just saying. True open-mindedness seems rare.
Is true open-mindedness even a default good? Babies are "open minded" but not known for their wisdom!!!
 

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Is true open-mindedness even a default good? Babies are "open minded" but not known for their wisdom!!!
In spite of a lack of better terms. I think open-mindedness is a default good. But we should value wisdom more. And I'm pretty sure babies are actually pretty damn perceptive though.

I've seen babies give me a stare down like they wanted to fight me. I'm being serious too, like what the hell? I was just thinking, this thing can't even walk but it already is dreaming of a brawl.
 

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Well, keep in mind that the investigation was about Russian collusion and all they got was campaign finance issues. The deep state put their knee in the chest of Cohen and got to him, People will say and do anything when faced with eternal jail. What is lost in all this is Facebook sneaking out their plans to give people social media scores and them contacting banks which is akin to the platform they created for China to make its society conform to the party line. Groupthink is here but they have been unable to involve everybody without action. There was a time in the US when liberals stood up for free speech, but those days are gone. But I do think people are waking up which is a good sign, but most still do not want to rock the boat and are already enslaved. I am not agreeing with Trump tactics but he has held the deep state at bay and they are all in on his ouster. We'd have seen war with Iran already had the other candidate won and he at least pisses PC groupthink types off.
I have said from the start, Russia had little effect on our elections and even the outright criminal behavior they have been involved with wont bring Trump down as most of the same charges would apply to Clinton. This is the beginning of perhaps the only realistic avenue the prosecution has to check Trump with. Its wiser to attack him on crimes that Clinton isnt also guilty of because he will never be prosecuted for those crimes......
 

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In spite of a lack of better terms. I think open-mindedness is a default good. But we should value wisdom more. And I'm pretty sure babies are actually pretty damn perceptive though.

I've seen babies give me a stare down like they wanted to fight me. I'm being serious too, like what the hell? I was just thinking, this thing can't even walk but it already is dreaming of a brawl.
P.s. on the subject of babies, I loved this little clip!!

 
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