The Biblical Case for a “Pre-Tribulation” Rapture

[Lisa]

No, this is the judgement that takes place at Jesus Christ’s second coming.

31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Right there it says that all nations will be gathered, and he will divide believers from unbelievers. Do you still say that nations are made up only of unbelievers?

So..are you saying that there are two separate times that people are thrown into the lake of fire? One when Jesus comes back and once at the end of the millennium?

Wouldn’t that make more sense that happening in the end of the millennium? Since the believers will have been raptured and are with Jesus already? At the end of the millennium there will be another coup attempt and there you could have the sheep and the goats..one into eternal life and one into eternal punishment. Because people don’t go to the eternal punishment right away..they die and then at the white throne judgement..people are come out of the grave to go before judgement.

They could have the believers from the millennium and any other unbelievers and the dead go to judgement. Because doesn’t Jesus just rule in the millennium..he’s not the judge at that time. And the millennium isn’t His kingdom..its just a 1000 year period for Him to rule people.

Because if its His kingdom than why allow the devil to deceive the nations again? That doesn’t make sense. So..then there will be people in the millennium that even though Jesus rules over them..they will still be against Him...which is why it doesn’t really matter who gets let into the millennium...Jesus rules with a rod of iron and in the end everyone is judged and a new heaven and a new earth. Yep..thanks...that all works out pretty good.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

It is sometimes claimed that a “Secret Rapture” was invented by John Nelson Darby. Except that more than 50 sources prior to him reference the same concept, going back to very early church history...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Product Description

For years, critics of premillennialism have argued that John Nelson Darby was the source for the doctrine of the rapture and dispensationalism. Building upon years of research in seventeenth-century and eighteenth-century English theological writings, William Watson argues that dispensationalism and the ideas associated with it were long part of British theological discourse. Drawing upon hundreds of early printed English books and years of archival study in primary sources and British libraries, Watson demonstrates that Darby's thought was neither aberrant nor original. To the contrary, he was following a long line of British clergy who anticipated the restoration of Jews to a national homeland and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

Review

"William Watson's comprehensive research in Dispensationalism Before Darby demonstrates the historical fallacy in the frequent claim that elements of dispensational theology, such as a pretribulational rapture, only came into existence in the early 1800s. Watson's work is well worth the read." -- Mike Stallard "Ph.D., Dean and Professor of Systematic Theology, Baptist Bible Seminary, Moderator, Council of Dispensationalism"

"William Watson has done the spadework, researching post-Reformation eschatology beliefs in the English-speaking world. He reveals their wide-spread belief in premillennialism and developing views of the rapture. Anyone interested in such issues will need to read Watson's groundbreaking work." -- Thomas D. Ice "Ph.D., Executive Director Pre-Trib Research Center"

"William Watson plows new ground in researching the history of eschatological thought prior to the nineteenth century. To put it simply, Darby did not invent the pretribulational rapture idea." -- Ed Hindson "D.Min., D.Phil., Dean & Distinguished Professor of Religion School of Religion, Liberty University"

 

[Douglas Summers]

It is sometimes claimed that a “Secret Rapture” was invented by John Nelson Darby. Except that more than 50 sources prior to him reference the same concept, going back to very early church history...

Hi Red, Christ and the Scriptures also support a pre-trib.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I thought this was very well thought out