The Bible Teaches Terrorism and Killing Infants

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While I don't agree with parent which seems to me denying the killing ever happened, remember that the Whole bible is symbolic, even when talking about historical events. In fact there are 4 interpretation layers, and this already noted in the old testament. Literal, allegorical, anagogical, moral. There are passages that DO NOT MAKE SENSE unless symbolic, example:
"When it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a deserted place, and the hour is now late; send the crowds away so that they may go into the villages and buy food for themselves.” 16Jesus said to them, “They need not go away; you give them something to eat.” (Matthew 14).
This is clearly symbolic for their mission, because there is no way he was expecting a bunch of discipled to have brought enough food for the crowds in advance. You can track all four interpretation layers in this passage.
 






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The Bible most definitely DOES NOT teach terrorism and killing of infants.

"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9)


Thoughts?


"If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife [a]you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ , you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death ." ( Dueteronomy 13 : 6-9)


Seems pretty terrorist-ic to me.


"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" (Luke 19:27)


How is this not terrorism? If you would not bow to the Dali Lama and a Buddhist killed you for that. What would you call it?



If Christians only read there Bible, well maybe they'd stop eating pork at least, seeing theres 32 Biblical verses forbidding its consumption.
 






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"The target marker flares looked quite pretty floating slowly down in the night sky" my mother (below) told me about the time Hitler bombed her home city of Leicester (England) in 1940 when she was 18.
She and her family survived without a scratch, but others didn't.



Adolf and the japs also declared war on America, so we had to do D-day and the Pacific War to settle their hash..:)

Some cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to fight in all wars, but if everybody thought like them, the nazis would be running half the world by now, and the japs running the other half.
Same in olden times, God had got the Israeli's backs because he was planning to send his Son there, so any heathen tribes who would have posed a threat had to be got rid of..:)
 






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Even the animals weren't spared.

Someone correct if I'm wrong but God ordered the killing of the Amalekites at the time based off what their ancestors did to the Israelites in the past. Are we to assume now that we can go around killing people for what their forefathers did?
 






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Even the animals weren't spared.

In Supernatural, Dr. Michael S. Heiser curates decades of scholarship to follow that often overlooked supernatural thread—so that we can see these passages the way Bible scholars do today, and the way Israelites did then. He says, “You can only understand the rationale and motive of the conquest accounts when you see them through the supernatural worldview of an Israelite.”

“Why was it necessary to kill entire populations in some cities—men, women, children, and even livestock?” Heiser asks. “Why not let the inhabitants surrender? Wouldn’t it be better to exile them than to slaughter them?”

You might even wonder why the Israelites had to drive them out at all.

“There’s an answer to those objections,” Heiser says. “But I’ve discovered that the answer seems to make Christians as uncomfortable as the problem.”

[worth a read]

 






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@billy t

The best (substantial) answer I could find...

If i had to guess, I'd think this thread has more to do with the other threads attacking Islam. The one about the prayer and maybe the trolls in the Uygher thread? Maybe even Kais thread.


After awhile, one feels the need to point out "logs in thine eye".

1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matthew 7: 1-5)


Of course Billy knows best why he made this thread. But seeing he was active in those threads, one does get fed up and I for one know how he feels.
 






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In Supernatural, Dr. Michael S. Heiser curates decades of scholarship to follow that often overlooked supernatural thread—so that we can see these passages the way Bible scholars do today, and the way Israelites did then. He says, “You can only understand the rationale and motive of the conquest accounts when you see them through the supernatural worldview of an Israelite.”

“Why was it necessary to kill entire populations in some cities—men, women, children, and even livestock?” Heiser asks. “Why not let the inhabitants surrender? Wouldn’t it be better to exile them than to slaughter them?”

You might even wonder why the Israelites had to drive them out at all.

“There’s an answer to those objections,” Heiser says. “But I’ve discovered that the answer seems to make Christians as uncomfortable as the problem.”

[worth a read]

Peace be upon you, Red. I can understand killing the men (males who have gone through puberty) but I can't wrap my head around the killing of women, children, babies, and the animals. And that too for the crimes of what their ancestors did. I truly believe that those verses are interpolations.
 






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"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" (Luke 19:27)

How is this not terrorism? If you would not bow to the Dali Lama and a Buddhist killed you for that. What would you call it?
If you refuse to respect God your Maker... then what good are you ?
 






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Peace be upon you, Red. I can understand killing the men (males who have gone through puberty) but I can't wrap my head around the killing of women, children, babies, and the animals. And that too for the crimes of what their ancestors did. I truly believe that those verses are interpolations.
Do you believe God can stop bombing civilians ?
 






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"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9)

Thoughts?


"If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife [a]you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ , you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death ." ( Dueteronomy 13 : 6-9)

Seems pretty terrorist-ic to me.


"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" (Luke 19:27)

How is this not terrorism? If you would not bow to the Dali Lama and a Buddhist killed you for that. What would you call it?



If Christians only read there Bible, well maybe they'd stop eating pork at least, seeing theres 32 Biblical verses forbidding its consumption.
"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9)
Thoughts?
Psalms 137
Longing for Zion in a Foreign Land

By the rivers of Babylon,
There we sat down, yea, we wept
When we remembered Zion.
We hung our harps
Upon the willows in the midst of it.
For there those who carried us away captive asked of us a song,
And those who plundered us requested mirth,
Saying, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

How shall we sing the Lord’s song
In a foreign land?
If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
Let my right hand forget its skill!
If I do not remember you,
Let my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth—
If I do not exalt Jerusalem
Above my chief joy.

Remember, O Lord, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, “Raze it, raze it,
To its very foundation!”

O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed,
Happy the one who repays you as you have served us!
Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!

The Babylonians had been very cruel when they conquered Jerusalem as well as other nations and kingdoms. They'd done horrifying and evil deeds to the Israelites. This prophesy is talking about a judgement against the Babylonians. With the cruelty that Babylon brought against the Jews in captivity, so cruelty was going to come against Babylon and even against their little children because of what they had done. When God punished people, it was universal. It involved women and children too. Like in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Amalekites and Caananites etc. That doesn't mean God wasn't forgiving to individuals who were repentant. God is always merciful and just even in His punishments. Personally I don't question God any more and I trust Him fully.

"If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife [a]you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ , you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death ." ( Dueteronomy 13 : 6-9)
Seems pretty terrorist-ic to me.
The whole chapter of Deuteronomy 13 is talking about punishment of apostates. In those days before the New Covenant and before Jesus died on the cross for our sins the punishments were immediate. I won't go to deep into it but Israel were God's people surrounded by pagan nations. In those days idolatry was punishable by death and for anyone to entice another into idolatry that was immediate death and that included destroying the idolatrous cities too. God was trying to preserve the faithfulness and trust of His people. It did not work mostly and Israel was punished thoroughly for their idolatry over the centuries but because some did always stay with God, its one of the reasons we have Christianity today and many other reason we don't know. Like I said nothing God does is without reason. He knows everything and knows the beginning from the end. God does not like killing anyone but sometimes for the preservation of humanity, for the bigger picture and many other reasons we don't know or understand, He has to (Ezekiel 18:32, 33:11). Isaiah 55:9, “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."

Before this world fell into sin God never had to destroy anything He created. We have to be careful not to go down the rabbit hole and wrestle this subject to the point where we might fall out of faith. Its better to keep our trust and believe that God is a fair, just and loving God who judges and destroys where necessary whether we understand why or not and Satan is a liar who wants people to believe God is a terrorist and kills babies for the sake of it.

If Christians only read there Bible, well maybe they'd stop eating pork at least, seeing theres 32 Biblical verses forbidding its consumption.
We do read and study the Bible and want to have a deep relationship, and be obedient and submissive to God, in different degrees of course. I do have a forum (here) talking about the diet of the Bible and yes Christians should not eat pork and all unclean animals, birds, fish and insects. We should not even be drinking alcohol and other substances that impair our minds, damage our mental and physical health.
 






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If you refuse to respect God your Maker... then what good are you ?
Sorry, my God was never created.

Speaking about respect, and trolls. Mind telling us why your attacking Deserts convert thread as if you have any business there what so ever? Literally the 3rd post.

My first impression of you is a troll. Something tells me that's not changing anytime soon.


Good luck with your man-god. While I'm of the belief, when Jesus said God was greater then him, i took it literally.
 






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Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!

The Babylonians had been very cruel...
Long story short, killing "some" babies is justified. Yes?

Doesn't this contradict your statement above?

phipps said:
The Bible most definitely DOES NOT teach terrorism and killing of infants.



The whole chapter of Deuteronomy 13 is talking about punishment of apostates.
I didn't ask what it was about, or even looking for someone to defend it.

Lets take a hypothetical.
I worship the sun. My brother worships the sun.
I leave the sun and decide to worship the moon.
Now the book me and my brother had tells my brother to kill me.

(Note the previous quoted verse instructs to kill family members).

How is this not terrorism?
Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentional violence for political or religious purposes

source

After all...

phipps said:
The Bible most definitely DOES NOT teach terrorism and killing of infants.
 






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In Supernatural, Dr. Michael S. Heiser curates decades of scholarship to follow that often overlooked supernatural thread—so that we can see these passages the way Bible scholars do today, and the way Israelites did then. He says, “You can only understand the rationale and motive of the conquest accounts when you see them through the supernatural worldview of an Israelite.”

“Why was it necessary to kill entire populations in some cities—men, women, children, and even livestock?” Heiser asks. “Why not let the inhabitants surrender? Wouldn’t it be better to exile them than to slaughter them?”

You might even wonder why the Israelites had to drive them out at all.

“There’s an answer to those objections,” Heiser says. “But I’ve discovered that the answer seems to make Christians as uncomfortable as the problem.”

[worth a read]

What I appreciate the most in the Bible it's that God didn't shy away from the things that needed to be done so we could have a hope today though it included dealing with flawed men with questionable moral sense.
The complexity of God in the OT and the way He had to adjust His plans to defeat demonic forces while teaching us deep spiritual lessons through people's mistakes never cease to amaze me. I think if we keep God's first commandment in our heart things tend to become a lot more clearer over time as we tend to discern what's prescriptive from what's descriptive in the scriptures.
 






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Long story short, killing "some" babies is justified. Yes?

Doesn't this contradict your statement above?
It's not about justifying to kill anyone for free, it's a captive asking for retribution because of the things Babylonians did.
The verse prior says :
"O daughter of Babylon, who are to be destroyed, Happy the one who repays you as you have served us!"
Psalms 137:8
Suggesting that they actually did that. What you should ask instead is if retribution is moral.

I worship the sun. My brother worships the sun.
I leave the sun and decide to worship the moon.
Now the book me and my brother had tells my brother to kill me.
In the OT sinning was a capital offense and apostasy is a sin. That's the HUGE difference between the law and grace that comes with the Gospel through repentance.
 






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Do you believe God can stop bombing civilians ?
I think you're confused. There's a difference between humans doing something based on what they believe and their interpretations of scripture to God commanding something and in this case the killing of people that had nothing to do with the situation and that to babies and children.
 






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It's not about justifying to kill anyone for free,
Its about this.

phipps said:
The Bible most definitely DOES NOT teach terrorism and killing of infants.
Nothing more. I do believe the word I'm looking for is hypocrisy.


Suggesting that they actually did that. What you should ask instead is if retribution is moral.
Retribution? For a baby? When will killing a baby ever be moral or ethical?

How is a baby guilty at any point in this scenario? Doesn't matter what was done, how can a baby be held responsible for anything?
Let alone receive punishment for what others have done.
 






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