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Further, it will be said to them: "This is the (reality) which ye rejected as false!Oh great idk what that means, I don't even believe in it.
-Surah Al-Mutaffifin [83:17]
Further, it will be said to them: "This is the (reality) which ye rejected as false!Oh great idk what that means, I don't even believe in it.
I thought it was a free country though?Please be respectful. Hate speech will result in a permanent ban.
Being respectful to any religion besides Christianity is idiocy and stupidity. All are Pagan and none deserve any respect at all - ZERO. I detest all other religions and have ZERO respect for any of them. I even detest Talmudic Judaism. Why, because Christ detested it, as He said in His tirade against any traditions that make the Word of God of none effect. I detest Catholicism for exactly the same reason. All religions except true Biblical Christianity are pond scum. Surely, every real Christian feels the same way. If not, they are failures.
Mary is not the mother of God.but the mother of the biological body inwhere God dwelt while on earth.If Jesus is God, and Mary is Jesus' mother, is Mary the mother of God?
I found this an interesting concept...Mary is not the mother of God.but the mother of the biological body inwhere God dwelt while on earth.
Some may say how can God spend about 33 years in a human body when He is in charge of a huge universe ? Yes well there is more to God than just Jesus as God is really an eternal Threefold being.
Human beings are also threefold beings but some still insist that God is Not.
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."
-Surah Al-Ma'idah [5:17]
Allah is one. Not three, not four, not five. Not human, not cow, not statue. God is one. The Quran calls humanity to monotheism. The prophets called the human race towards monotheism.
Of the mass of people, unfortunately, most are disbelievers.
Gen 2:7, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Some may say how can God spend about 33 years in a human body when He is in charge of a huge universe ? Yes well there is more to God than just Jesus as God is really an eternal Threefold being.
Human beings are also threefold beings but some still insist that God is Not.
You're a 17 year old kid who lives in the US, watches a lot of porn (these are your words from the porn thread), and masturbates to it and probably rarely leaves his room because he can't get his one hand off the keyboard and the other out of his pants but yet are asking others if they have been to an Islamic nation.Oh ok. Have you ever been an islamic nation? Not peaceful at all.
... The Son or Word is God ...
If X = Z
and Y = X's mother
is Y the mother of Z?
If not, why not?
In other words, X does not equal Z.Mary is not the mother of God.but the mother of the biological body inwhere God dwelt while on earth.
Gen 2:7, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Man is a twofold being. From this verse and many others, we see that, from the (1) dust of the ground=body and (2) the breath of life=spirit, man became a living soul. So, Body + Spirit = Living Soul. Remove either body or spirit and man becomes a dead soul. Man having a soul, is a belief propagated from pagan origins, such as Plato. Man IS a soul. Man DOES NOT have a soul. Another common lie told by denominational preachers. Along with the biggest lie, Hell, the phony idea of man's soul going to heaven upon death sells a lot of tickets.
More than 1500 souls died on the Titanic. Where the word soul appears in or out of scripture, you can usually substitute "life" or "person" for it. The Hebrew word for soul is also used for animals, where it is often translated "creature." See "creature" in Gen 9:10.
Serious question...In other words, X does not equal Z.
We probably need to advance from Algebra to the Set Theory of calculus, at this point in our catechism, to better understand and explain.
Are you saying that God was incarnate in Jesus, but that there is some part of Jesus, namely his body, which was not "consubstantial" with God?
You seem to equate God with yourself.In other words, X does not equal Z.
We probably need to advance from Algebra to the Set Theory of calculus, at this point in our catechism, to better understand and explain.
Are you saying that God was incarnate in Jesus, but that there is some part of Jesus, namely his body, which was not "consubstantial" with God?
On the contrary, I am trying to understand how it is that Christians equate Jesus with God. I neither affirm nor deny the proposition because I think the Bible contains plenty of ambiguities on the subject and I am still studying the matter.You seem to equate God with yourself.
It is impossible to provide a simplistic answer to this question, Serv, as the incarnation is a unique event. All parallels will be unsatisfactory.On the contrary, I am trying to understand how it is that Christians equate Jesus with God. I neither affirm nor deny the proposition because I think the Bible contains plenty of ambiguities on the subject and I am still studying the matter.
I wonder, though, how some of the Protestants in this thread would have reacted to a thread title, and video in the op by a Muslim, if it had said: "Bible Says Mary is the Mother of God." As far as I am concerned, if the Bible doesn't say it, it certainly at times implies it (hence, historically, this dispute and controversy within Christendom between using the terms Christotokos and Theotokos). Moreover, I find it interesting that there seems to be some sort of spiritually instinctive part of Protestants which, though they are willing to ascribe a son to God, as the Muslims put it, they seem reluctant, at best, to give him a mother.
He wasn't fully divine when he was a human, and he will never be human again, so im not sure we even can say that...Certainly not *is*As I understand, according to the orthodox dogma, Jesus' body was not before Abraham. Thus, without a body, one might be a sort of progenitor, of sorts, but not grandfather as we understand and use the word. The relationship between Jesus and Mary is quite other to that, and the dogma says that Jesus, or God the Son, is both human and divine, not 50/50 but 100%. That means that he is at once fully human and fully divine. He also has a mother.
I don't expect the impossible from anybody, including a perfect parallel, but, as I see it, many are, though by no means equal to Jesus, of course, nevertheless still heroic in the "avatar" sense. I think, following @TokiEl's logic, or as I am thus far understanding and interpreting that logic, just as Mary is not Jesus' mother, neither is your dad your father. That, it seems to me, is one reason why Jesus said:Perhaps the closest unsatisfactory parallel I thought of recently was the film "avatar". Our hero was pre-existing before entering the world. He was "made flesh", but this still doesn't get around the question of why Jesus had a mother.
As I understand, according to the orthodox dogma, Jesus' body was not before Abraham. Thus, without a body, one might be a sort of progenitor, of sorts, but not grandfather as we understand and use the word. The relationship between Jesus and Mary is quite other to that, and the dogma says that Jesus, or God the Son, is both human and divine, not 50/50 but 100%. That means that he is at once fully human and fully divine. He also has a mother.
I think that if one takes the position that Jesus is not "consubstantial" with God, that is to say fully human and fully divine, then one is outside Trinitarian doctrinal orthodoxy. The dogma is complicated, and sometimes Christians are heretics without even being aware. For instance, if one says that God died on the cross, and if one doesn't specify God the Son, one is guilty of the heresy of 'patripassionism,' or something like that. I am not inventing this stuff: I am only reporting. It's Christian history. For some reason, and I am not quite sure why, I find it all so very interesting.He wasn't fully divine when he was a human, and he will never be human again, so im not sure we even can say that...Certainly not *is*
Oh i know reason why you find it interesting, because you endlessly entertained and amused by it it's ok though...I can understand why.I think that if one takes the position that Jesus is not "consubstantial" with God, that is to say fully human and fully divine, then one is outside Trinitarian doctrinal orthodoxy. The dogma is complicated, and sometimes Christians are heretics without even being aware. For instance, if one says that God died on the cross, and if one doesn't specify God the Son, one is guilty of the heresy of 'patripassionism,' or something like that. I am not inventing this stuff: I am only reporting. It's Christian history . For some reason, and I am not quite sure why, I find it all so very interesting.
Lol.You're a 17 year old kid who lives in the US, watches a lot of porn (these are your words from the porn thread), and masturbates to it and probably rarely leaves his room because he can't get his one hand off the keyboard and the other out of his pants but yet are asking others if they have been to an Islamic nation.
What a time to be alive.
A lot of this curiosity reminds me of what it must be like to be a child of a great inventor trying to discribe to his classmates what his father does. The general idea might be right, but not the precision. How much moreso with the creator?I don't expect the impossible from anybody, including a perfect parallel, but, as I see it, many are, though by no means equal to Jesus, of course, nevertheless still heroic in the "avatar" sense. I think, following @TokiEl's logic, or as I am thus far understanding and interpreting that logic, just as Mary is not Jesus' mother, neither is your dad your father. That, it seems to me, is one reason why Jesus said:
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
I think that if one takes the position that Jesus is not "consubstantial" with God, that is to say fully human and fully divine, then one is outside Trinitarian doctrinal orthodoxy. The dogma is complicated, and sometimes Christians are heretics without even being aware. For instance, if one says that God died on the cross, and if one doesn't specify God the Son, one is guilty of the heresy of 'patripassionism,' or something like that. I am not inventing this stuff: I am only reporting. It's Christian history . For some reason, and I am not quite sure why, I find it all so very interesting.