The American “Coup d’etat”

[lightseeker]

Sure a lot of Jews are good at international capitalism. Zionism is nationalism and I am opposed. I dare you to find a good word I’ve ever said about Israel here. I just don’t blame them for all the worlds problems or do the blood libel bullshit.

Nah you oppose the normal population. The end result of your beliefs is a gas chamber, of mine is liberation.

Yes, anarchists have fought the good fight, from Spain to Rojava. You on the other hand would have backed Franco.

It's a shame you're not only incapable of civility, but of interesting conversation. You have to fall back on these assumptions and are incapable of discussion at the level of the ideal.

 

[lightseeker]

It’s a shame you can’t argue with me in good faith or admit or defend your beliefs. Im civil when treated as such. And I don’t believe in liberal nonsense like “civility” in the first place. You don’t have to be nice to people who would murder you and your friends if given the chance.

I am speaking in good faith. I dont believe in putting people in gas chambers, in franco, or that jews are the cause of all the worlds problems so what am I supposed to say about your default "me angry thing bad" speak? Anyways, read carol quigley, he lays out exactly the way anarchists are used by the anglo american establishment and how they have always served the purposes of the elite agendas.

 

[lightseeker]

Then why do you cry, “Jew, Jew, Jew” in response to literally everything that happens? Why do you use a Jewish connection to then say it’s not real, or it’s a conspiracy etc, etc?

I talk about it when there’s empirical evidence for it

Even if it’s unwitting you believe in those things. De facto support. The NSWP said clearly that the goal of “Holocaust Revisionism” was to rehabilitate the image of National Socialism.

the Holocaust was used as propoganda and most of it is a lie. Do you believe there was a cage with a bear and an eagle inside of it and they were fed 1 jew every day at auschwitz like the New York Times published in 1988, or are you a Holocaust revisionist?

Anarchists aren’t used by anyone. They are in the frontlines everywhere. From mutual aid programs to cracking skulls if necessary

Read carol quigley, he literally explains how THEY (himself included) use anarchists, his book is an apologetic for the Anglo American power elite an he explains in detail how anarchists are used as a part of this. I’ll believe him rather than your silly little emotional faux revolutionary talking points

 

[Artful Revealer]

Exclusive: Proud Boys leader was ‘prolific’ informer for law enforcement

Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding...

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[justjess]

Exclusive: Proud Boys leader was ‘prolific’ informer for law enforcement

Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding...

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The proud boys are an intelligence op. Repeat: the proud boys are an intelligence op. I said that months ago.

 

[Cintra]

Exclusive: Proud Boys leader was ‘prolific’ informer for law enforcement

Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding...

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The proud boys are an intelligence op. Repeat: the proud boys are an intelligence op. I said that months ago.

Trust noone.
Ever.

There is no friend anywhere.

 

[Aero]

Everyone's an informant these days. I equate that to psychological castration.

For me to ever snitch, it would be for something truly terrible, and that's assuming I can't solve the problem myself.

 

[Artful Revealer]

The proud boys are an intelligence op. Repeat: the proud boys are an intelligence op. I said that months ago.

That’s not what it says. Tarrio worked as an informant for law enforcement, which leads us to believe he might still be an informant for law enforcement, and in such case, possibly tasked with informing law enforcement about extremist tendencies among the Boys. If so, Tarrio is the intelligence operative and the Proud Boys are likely the target.

 

[Cintra]

That’s not what it says. Tarrio worked as an informant for law enforcement, which leads us to believe he might still be an informant for law enforcement, and in such case, possibly tasked with informing law enforcement about extremist tendencies among the Boys. If so, Tarrio is the intelligence operative and the Proud Boys are likely the target.

Wouldn't that be the case if he was an ordinary member?

As he is the leader, and presumably decision maker, the whole organisation is compromised.
Isn't it?

 

[justjess]

That’s not what it says. Tarrio worked as an informant for law enforcement, which leads us to believe he might still be an informant for law enforcement, and in such case, possibly tasked with informing law enforcement about extremist tendencies among the Boys. If so, Tarrio is the intelligence operative and the Proud Boys are likely the target.

I know that’s not what it said. I’m telling you that’s what it is. The proud boys have massive connections to Roger Stone, the founder’s father worked in defense and now Tarrio is an informant. Add it all together.

 

[SomeNOBODY0]

Oh man. Thank you. This is why I come here.

Nah, Episcopalians are cool, so are radical Catholics. Really don’t have a problem with twice a year Christians etc. It’s trad caths and evangelicals and the ultra orthodox that are the problem and by the way, Christianity is a choice whereas being an ethnic Jew is not. Most Jews are secular btw and don’t take their texts as literal infallible word of god but understand it as metaphor.

Call me stupid all you want, I’ll never be as stupid as someone who thinks the world is 6k years old and that all our problems stem from
a woman eating a fruit after a talking snake tricked her into it, or that a Palestinian Carpenter turned end times apocalyptic preacher is the son of god and also god and a ghost at the same time.

Again, you can’t understand anarchism because you need black and white reactionary ideas, you can’t handle complexity and nuance.

Hello Mr. Galileo I am not going to say you are stupid or try to ensnare you in a game of wits, because it wouldn't accomplish anything and I lack in the wits department haha. I wish to propound a valid question however, and I have a couple requests. Let's ignore the age of the earth and the Genesis account of the fall of man for a second. I've learned there are inconsistencies in young or old earth paradigms, and they keep finding pliable soft tissue in dinosaur bones so the argument that it's young isn't as invalid as it would seem at first however, I want to specifically ask, politely, what do you think Jesus Christ died for? Also He never claimed to be a ghost and specifically refuted that when a particular Thomas saw Him after He arose from the grave. So my question is more precisely what do you think He died for, and why the big uproar over Him being alive after public execution? This isn't a trap, I'm curious about your views. If you don't trust me feel free to say as much or nothing at all

 

[SomeNOBODY0]

I think he died for his cause which was for the most part a noble one. He was executed because he threatened the provincial government of Judea as well as the Empire at large. Simply put he was an enemy of the state and put down for it.

The miracles and resurrection, being the son of god, is all mythology added years and decades later to sell the religion the disciples formed after his death. It was story and never meant to be taken literally.

Bishop John Shelby Spong has some greys lectures on non literalism if you’re interested.

I hear this angle a lot nowadays. I believe He got killed because He said things like "I AM" and raised the dead very publicly, which ironically made Him an enemy of the state. I think that He is who He claimed to be, and His resurrection surprised even the disciples. None of this is to put you on the spot or anything dumb like that, more a cards on the table type deal I would politely ask you to consider what evidence there would be if His identity and stated mission (redemption of man from sin) were actually true and He really did go to the cross as payment for our sins. I came from a position of hatred despair and pure evil when I heard Him, and I'm only trying to do what little I can in gratitude. I may not have been His best pick lol but I sure do love Him

 

[Artful Revealer]

Wouldn't that be the case if he was an ordinary member?

As he is the leader, and presumably decision maker, the whole organisation is compromised.
Isn't it?

He took the lead in 2019, which means he could direct the group to do things they’re not supposed to and incriminate some people. He could also use the group to do things to increase the appearance of an alt-right threat.

Either way, an intelligence op serves to gather intelligence, which is what he used to do. So who or what is he gathering intelligence of? White supremacists? Would make sense given recent events.

 

[Artful Revealer]

I know that’s not what it said. I’m telling you that’s what it is. The proud boys have massive connections to Roger Stone, the founder’s father worked in defense and now Tarrio is an informant. Add it all together.

These dots don’t say much. Stone is a western chauvinist, so their connection is nothing out of the ordinary. What’s the goal if Proud Boys was an intelligence op from the beginning? To expose “white supremacists”?

 

[justjess]

These dots don’t say much. Stone is a western chauvinist, so their connection is nothing out of the ordinary. What’s the goal if Proud Boys was an intelligence op from the beginning? To expose “white supremacists”?

Chaos
Division
Coup

I read an article the other day that said stone founded the proud boys. Now we know that isn’t true. But then I sat there wondering if the article made a mistake or if the article slipped up saying something true that they shouldn’t have. Or whether it was supposed to say that and they were counting on people not noticing.

now that we know that Parler was also an opp, and the “founder” of Parler is also working as an “informant” - funded by the Mercer’s and god knows who else.. I mean every single one of your supposed anti establishment right wing organizations has turned out to be very much establishment.

there are two possibilities with that... we are both obviously going to tend towards opposite explanations

 

[UnderAlienControl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354494995148005381

 

[vancityeagle]

I know that’s not what it said. I’m telling you that’s what it is. The proud boys have massive connections to Roger Stone, the founder’s father worked in defense and now Tarrio is an informant. Add it all together.

The whole radical right movement is an intel op. This isn't a "grass roots" movement. Its a billionaire funded propaganda op with support by private intelligence networks, organized crime, and elements of the MIC and Big oil. Thats why I laugh when people try to claim "they are trying to demonize conservatives" Its an elite controlled movement from the get go.

 

[The Zone]

 

[Artful Revealer]

Chaos
Division
Coup

I read an article the other day that said stone founded the proud boys. Now we know that isn’t true. But then I sat there wondering if the article made a mistake or if the article slipped up saying something true that they shouldn’t have. Or whether it was supposed to say that and they were counting on people not noticing.

now that we know that Parler was also an opp, and the “founder” of Parler is also working as an “informant” - funded by the Mercer’s and god knows who else.. I mean every single one of your supposed anti establishment right wing organizations has turned out to be very much establishment.

there are two possibilities with that... we are both obviously going to tend towards opposite explanations

Never said Proud Boys was anti-establishment. They’re anti-Antifa, which is an organisation of useful idiots to advance the agenda of the party of Davos.

You “read an article the other day” means how much? Connection with Stone and Mercer means what exactly? Vancity is throwing around enough guilt-by-association fallacies and non-sequiturs on his own. No need to join him, especially given your “high standards” for evidence.

Where is your evidence that Bongino is an operative? Mind you, I’m not saying he isn’t and I don’t even like the guy, but what’s your evidence? Giving info on Parler users because the FBI told you isn’t exactly the same as being a premeditated part of the operation. The FBI tells you to do something, you don’t really have a choice in the matter as a citizen.

The purpose of the Proud Boys you described as “chaos, divide, coup” is conjecture. Proud Boys only became relevant after the Berkeley incident. That the system seeks to control the opposition to a group like Antifa is nothing new, but your theory that Proud Boys is the operation itself is mere speculation, let alone the claim they served the purpose of a coup. If anything, an infiltration and takeover of something like the Proud Boys would be more likely a means to botch a coup rather than facilitate it. They would sooner be put to use by intelligence agencies to discredit the MAGA movement rather than boost it by shifting focus away from the real economic issues at hand, just like LGBTQ+ and other identity movements on the left are used to distract from traditional left-wing issues.

 

[justjess]

Never said Proud Boys was anti-establishment. They’re anti-Antifa, which is an organisation of useful idiots to advance the agenda of the party of Davos.

You “read an article the other day” means how much? Connection with Stone and Mercer means what exactly? Vancity is throwing around enough guilt-by-association fallacies and non-sequiturs on his own. No need to join him, especially given your “high standards” for evidence.

Where is your evidence that Bongino is an operative? Mind you, I’m not saying he isn’t and I don’t even like the guy, but what’s your evidence? Giving info on Parler users because the FBI told you isn’t exactly the same as being a premeditated part of the operation. The FBI tells you to do something, you don’t really have a choice in the matter as a citizen.

The purpose of the Proud Boys you described as “chaos, divide, coup” is conjecture. Proud Boys only became relevant after the Berkeley incident. That the system seeks to control the opposition to a group like Antifa is nothing new, but your theory that Proud Boys is the operation itself is mere speculation, let alone the claim they served the purpose of a coup. If anything, an infiltration and takeover of something like the Proud Boys would be more likely a means to botch a coup rather than facilitate it. They would sooner be put to use by intelligence agencies to discredit the MAGA movement rather than boost it by shifting focus away from the real economic issues at hand, just like LGBTQ+ and other identity movements on the left are used to distract from traditional left-wing issues.

Antifa doesn’t exist in any organized form - it was labeled and given a name and an identifiable form by the ptb for a reason. One you seem to be unable to grasp. I’m not disagreeing that they are useful idiots or that on some level they are controlled/steered - I agree with both. But that isn’t the full story there.

the proud boys are the flip side of the same coin - however - it appears even there creation is more easily tracked to the establishment. Which is something you keep ignoring. They didn’t rise to fight antifa - naturally or otherwise - they were created for a purpose. You agree with their basic tenants which would make this difficult for you to see.

as for Parler I posted all the relevant information regarding that issue in the thread on free speech - each of those posts was entirely ignored. And you can believe it’s just a matter of necessity but what kinda social media site that prides itself on privacy collects that much sensitive information and leaves that many security holes on accident? When the funding behind it has pockets as deep as the Mercer’s?

both ideological sides of the divide in this country are being played - and played HARD - by two rivaling factions of elite assholes. There is no goodguy or good side here. And yes identity politics distracts the left and the backlash against identity politics distracts the right. You worry about political correctness instead of worrying about your paycheck and you 100% bought into their trickle down economic bullshit, you blame immigrants and minorities for your economic condition (well white Americans economic condition since you don’t live here), you blame women - you fall for every single scapegoat and lie that they sell you and then claim to be enlightened and look down on me for pointing out obvious red flags with the establishment institutions you choose to defend or atleast go soft on. Whatever art.

for the record I never claimed to have evidence for any of this. I’m just pointing out the blatant red flags on the field and trying to connect dots and draw attention to them. Criminals don’t usually leave irrefutable proof of their crimes unless they are really terrible criminals.