The American “Coup d’etat”

Maes17

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I think that’s cuz in real life people tend to congregate towards those that are more similar to them though I have seen massive family divisions even in my own family over this whole thing.

we will see what happens in the next week or so.. my concern is they don’t send 250k troops anywhere for no reason so I think we aren’t being given anywhere near the full story of what the threat actually is. I am highly doubtful trump supporters require that kind of response. I’m too on the fence with what actually would to speculate outside of my own brain though.
I have divisions within my own family as well.
Although overall with my daily interactions with people in all walks of life. The politics are behind and we’re ready to move forward.

I’m more concerned how long this virus plays out. How real is it to warrant these stupid lockdowns.

I’ll reserve judgement on biden just like every other president during my lifetime.
I’m not worried about an overseas war yet. Although I feel tensions with NK and kimmy boy will probably escalate
 
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we will see what happens in the next week or so.. my concern is they don’t send 250k troops anywhere for no reason so I think we aren’t being given anywhere near the full story of what the threat actually is. I am highly doubtful trump supporters require that kind of response. I’m too on the fence with what actually would to speculate outside of my own brain though.
None of us really know whats going on, we can only speculate, and more facts are comming out by the day.

I'm just getting sick of people who want to ignore mounds of evidence that Trump supporters were whipped up into a frenzy to storm the capitol building. On top of just regular MAGA folks, we have police and military involved, and Republican state politicians. This is crazy, to just dismiss this all as "MSM propaganda" is frankly delusional.

I have a feeling as well that something is going on that they aren't fully making the public aware of. All these troops in the capital, a few people I like to listen to think there may be a final coup attempt, with General Flynn leading the charge. There's a lot of strange things going on. We've had ex defence secretarys and now the Joint CHiefs of Staff call out for military to "serve their country" and not to go against the election results. Do they know there are those among the military who want to carry out a coup ? With the apparent military involvement in the storming, I wouldn't rule any of this out. It could also just be that they want to get people used to mass military presence on the streets

We will see as the days, weeks, and months unfold.
 
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You can keep construing perceptions with undefined building blocks, keep getting hysterical about Trump, calling him more evil than the entire DC swamp and mockingbird media combined, but if I ask you to explain what evil is, can you even do that? And is, for instance, Trump more evil than your greatest example Gaddafi? If so, why?
I've never claimed Gaddafi was evil, I dont know what you are talking about. I've told you many times my problems with Trump, but he can do no wrong in your eyes.

Plain and simple if the leader of a nation is hell bent on fracturing the nation and pitting them against each other, creating chaos, anger, and violence. He is a terrible leader. Leaders are supposed to be uniting people, not sowing division. US has never had a more divisive president in modern history. He would literally watch the country burn for his own ego.
 

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There were paper ballots. They compared the results from the paper ballots to the results from the dominion software. Same results. In some cases they counted them three times. Trumps own lawyers changed their claims in court and focused on expanded mail in voting being allowed without following proper protocol instead, which isn’t an allegation of voter fraud - rather an attempt to get votes from legal voters thrown out. This is getting ridiculous now tbh.
Not to be insulting but I want to know who counted because honestly if there was foul play the first time a repeat with similar conditions would not be hard to manage. Also I am not concerned with trumps legal tactics, I am more concerned about dominion software and I wish I had a magic server that could get their source code for both front and back end as well as database access, but I would gladly accept a deep dive and technical analysis from a dependable team who published a transparent report. Might as well wish really big right lol? Time will certainly tell if these concerns are well founded, and I very fully hope to be wrong about that, the Great reset, and what that means in relation to the second coming of Christ because at best if it's only a potential coup then its probably gonna be ugly. If I am close to accurate on all 3... Billions will perish. If I'm dead wrong on all of it life goes back to normal.
 
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I've never claimed Gaddafi was evil, I dont know what you are talking about. I've told you many times my problems with Trump, but he can do no wrong in your eyes.
Can you for the love of argument understand what is written. Where did I say you claimed Gaddafi was evil? Rhetorical question. I said you said Trump was evil. I asked two questions based on that premise:

1. What is evil?
2. Once you've been able to explain evil, explain why you think Trump is more evil than Gaddafi, someone whom you clearly seem to admire, or at least approve of?

Plain and simple if the leader of a nation is hell bent on fracturing the nation and pitting them against each other, creating chaos, anger, and violence. He is a terrible leader. Leaders are supposed to be uniting people, not sowing division. US has never had a more divisive president in modern history. He would literally watch the country burn for his own ego.
The first and only argument you brought up is enougn to conclude your entire analysis is worthless. Trump is not the one who divided the nation. 19 minutes after his inauguration, the WaPo headed their edition with "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun".

His political ideology rests on the interests of the American citizen, not the native or the immigrant, not the Christian or the Muslim, not the white or the black, not the man or the woman, not the straight or the gay, not the cis or the trans, ... the American citizen. Economic and civic nationalism doesn't care about race, ethnicity, religion, gender, orientation, or whatnot. Only the American citizen is what counts. The dividers are those that invent as many categories of people as possible to a point where they start eating their own, which is what you can now see particularly on the left.

Trump is the opposite of a divider; it were his opponents in DC and the media that divided the country, unless of course, you consider his dislike of communism and socialism a divisive characteristic.
 
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Here is how you have a nuanced discussion.

These guys don't deny right wing terrorism but they are against Patriot Act 2. You can be against the Police state without trying to pretend there is no such thing as right wing terrorism.

 
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Here is how you have a nuanced discussion.

These guys don't deny right wing terrorism but they are against Patriot Act 2. You can be against the Police state without trying to pretend there is no such thing as right wing terrorism.

Seder, Kulinsky, Vaush, Cunt Uygur.

You sure have a telling shortlist.
 
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Satan, the great divider, always projects on his enemies.
kind of like a movement accusing others of being pedophiles, when their own cult leader is a..............

or if you want to continue to deny that, you can't deny that Trump at least is a pedo enabler and loves to hang out with and associate with pedophiles.

Whether its Epstein, hanging with Ghilane Maxwell, partying on her father Robert Maxwell's yacht, getting legally repped by pedo lawyer Alan Dershowitz. Yeah right wingers love to project.
 
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kind of like a movement accusing others of being pedophiles, when their own cult leader is a..............
You keep repeating that accusation without any proof, which I have asked you to provide 3 times already.

or if you want to continue to deny that, you can't deny that Trump at least is a pedo enabler and loves to hang out with and associate with pedophiles.
P-phile enablers working for intelligence seek the company of influential people. That's what they do so they can get dirt on them so they can control them.

Whether its Epstein, hanging with Ghilane Maxwell, partying on her father Robert Maxwell's yacht, getting legally repped by pedo lawyer Alan Dershowitz. Yeah right wingers love to project.
You can say whatever you want, but Epstein and Maxwell have been arrested under Trump's administration, not under Bush's or Obama's. Dershowitz is not in the clear either, mark my words.
 
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Eventful week. Adelson, Tober, now Rothschild.


Governments of Italy, Germany, Holland and Estonia fallen.

DC under lockdown by 25,000 soldiers.

France implementing curfew at the exact time of Biden's inauguration.
 

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I think you are mistaking my Objective look at the facts for being "Democrat establishment " Anybody who reads a history book about America can see that the potential for right wing terrorism is high. Yeah its easy for you and others who for some reason want to ignore this aspect to just brush it off as "hoax" or "FBI entrapment" (which it is some of the times) But when you just react that way every single time without even looking at evidence, that becomes a problem, and you just create a divide where there are 2 seperate realities. I dont support Patriot Act 2, I dont support any new "anti-terror" laws, that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that there is serious outrage and anger that has been stoked on the right wing for many decades, all culminating to this point in history where people have and will react. I've said before you aren't going to learn about the fascist and white supremacist agenda listening to the vast majority of "alt media" because THAT is their agenda, so of course they will IGNORE, DOWNPLAY, any attempt to expose this, or childishly yell "hoax"

and yes Uyger will tell you the truth about right wing extremism because it suits HIS agenda, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Uyger hasn't even talked about the CNP (which is the major organization behind right wing extremism) I've actually learned much about the CNP from conservatives like John Brissom and Josh Reeves. You know some people aren't actually trying to play the whole paradigm game and actually just want to get to the truth, wherever it leads them. Vast majority just want to play the team game.


So my storyline is the same as some billionaires, your storyline is the same as other billionaires. So where is the truth ? Could it be that the ADL, NYT, WAPO are actually identifying a real threat, but will suggest a solution to that threat that goes way over the top ? I suggest its virtually the same with the whole Covid thing.



months ago you admitted there was indeed something to RussiaGate and you even posted a link to a site chalk full of information, now I see you've gone back to the conspiracy clowns who are yelling "hoax" all to protect the Zionist Chabad billionaires who run Russia and Putin, and Trump.

I'm sorry DavidSon but when it comes to RussiaGate, the MSM was much closer to the truth the the "alt media" who did nothing but carry water for the Zionist Chabad controlled Russia. I suggest if you are not already aware to look at the Exposetheenemy.com website. They've done some of the best work connecting the dots. The rest of the shills can keep calling it a "hoax" and "Russia, Russia, Russia"



again forget CNN for 2 seconds, I know its hard for you, but just look at the social media postings over the last few years. If you haven't noticed the vitriol and desire for civil war comming from MAGA, I dont know where you've been. @justjess has posted plenty of evidence, even of people she knows that are becoming unhinged, yet the "alt media shills" want to keep pretending nothing is happening. I dont need CNN to tell me its 2021, and I dont need them to tell me there are a lot of whacked out people willing to do whacked out crap in the name of politics and culture.


With all due respect to Chris Hedges, I used to like him but he's becomming another enabler for these fascists, not Jimmy Dore level, but when somebody spends the majority of their time complaining about "liberals" while simultaneously downplaying and even at times defending the fascist in the whitehouse, there is something going on. Could it be that Hedges, who has a show on RussiaToday, is taking orders from Moscow ? Is that even a consideration for you, you know based on the fact that Russia is leading the attempt to bring the "populist" Left and Right together in the name of "Duganism" and his goal of "National Bolshevism"

I've been highlighting the culture war. Seems many people on this forum are being manipulated into it.



Frankly I think you are better than this reactionary appeasement of Fascists and their propaganda. Maybe you just dont see it, or maybe its who you were all along. What's played out is all the excuses the "Truth Movement" has made for these extremists. We've even seen this nonsense on this thread in relations to last week. Any excuse that will stick

a) Its a hoax
b) They set the right wingers up
c) It was Antifa

Literally any excuse to blame anybody else except for the people who were actually guilty of commiting the crimes.

I've been among the "truth community" for well over a decade, and its always the same story of denying and downplaying these extremists, while simultaneously pushing the propaganda and culture war these extremists have always engaged in.



I've been all over the US. I have family and friends in New York, LA, Atlanta, Houston, Portland, Maryland. Nobody is claiming its Nazi Germany out there, but to deny there are people who are becoming radicalized ONLINE by the propaganda put out by billionaires on social media, the internet, Fox News, you are just being willfully ignorant to one part of the whole game. Not only do these people exist, but that section of America is rapidly growing in size and anger, especially with all the "election fraud" propaganda being put out by literal nutters, and people like Giuliani who played a major role in the 911 operation. Step back a bit and look at the entire picture instead of being so stuck on one mode.
It's OK to agree to disagree which on many of these points we will probably have to.

I just heard an update on the Virgina driver whose family says he is former military working for a security company. It's comical the way the media (and others ahem) are so ready to pounce on the story, waiting on pins and needles as they say. Let's see the outcome. But you don't think there are forces who WANT something to happen?

I don't have to tell you but checking the current headlines from the above named "news" sites is a joke. "America headed into a buzzsaw... riots a stunning reminder of policing crisis... a new chapter on domestic terror opens". I just saw this one from the Atlantic in November, blatant propaganda which I will read later to prove it's BS:

Right-Wing Militias are Bracing for Civil War

Damn that sounds familiar. Whoa the ADL and internet monitors from Silicon Valley said so, it must be true! Let's not forget the innumerable think tanks funded by those who will profit immensely from the coming war on domestic terror.

I say these sites are 95% lies and mis-truths. Anyone can report a story but it's the language and intention that give writing a certain life. You're naive to take anything in from these pukes without deep suspicion. That said I read two excellent opinion pieces, one from the NYT and another from the Atlantic calling for reservation toward increased domestic investigations, etc. So there's a shred of light buried in the filth but overall there's no need to ever search them out for honest analysis. The fact your interpretation of events is so closely aligned should be a warning sign but you'll brush the rest of us off as conspiracy theorists (who AOC condemns in the same breath as scary white nationalists).

You say I'm also mimicking the rhetoric of billionaires, which billionaire press agency is that again? Vigilant Citizen and Max Blumenthal are paid through crowd-sourcing, that is all. I'm calling for wealth equality and empowering citizens of every color with MONEY. If we start flooding rural and urban areas with heavy investment I guarantee these petty, oligarch generated feuds disappear like vapor. I'm on the side of observable facts... not theories and orchestrated drama. I'm glad we're not in Finland or wherever where it's against the law to hate someone or practice my freedom of speech. Interesting that just like our gun laws the US has a very liberal stance on speech inciting violence (though it sounds like that liberty will be amended soon) .

Yes there are racial tensions in spots but it's nothing requiring changing laws or barbed wire and tens of thousands of soldiers around our Capitals. These reactions are a show in their political game. That you can't see the hypocrisy and fake pearl-clutching is astounding. I saw an hour video of the horrid, unspeakable Capitol "insurrection"... was nothing like the liberal propagandists described. I've watched street clashes with PP and Proud Boys or whoever- it's like 20 guys with fat beer bellies. You seriously afraid of these goofs? I'm as scared of them as the antifa clowns. Real fighters like the IRA at their peak are a militia; the right-wing groups here are a glorified gun club and fishing party.

That's my point: both wings of the ruling class are generating the hysteria, and you happen to be falling for one side while claiming to be objective. You think I'm caught up (with right-wingers?) yet I think you are as well.

TBH none of this talk matters. Soon Trump won't be the hinge for combating "extremism"- it'll be whatever trope the security departments decide to drop on us as the next invisible enemy. Biden's authoritarian, covid quarantine police state is rolling out whether we like it or not. I just want my words to be remembered on the right side of history.
 

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I’ll reserve judgement on biden just like every other president during my lifetime.
You don't need to, he was in power before. Fool me once...

US has never had a more divisive president in modern history. He would literally watch the country burn for his own ego.
Nope, he's just playing his part, the devide was there since the beginning.
 
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I agree with u Artful, I think there may be a genuine attempt at a coup or to carry out an assassination on inauguration day. They probably have intel on this coup and thats why the heavy national guard presence. Problem is there are many Trump supporters in the police and national guard. I also think they wanted to avoid crowds so operatives could not blend in among them like they did during the Capitol storming, which may have even been a test run of sorts.
 
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