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5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

Surely the journalist class should be intrigued by the historic implausibility of Joe Biden’s victory. That they are not is curious, to say the least.

By J.B. Shurk


In all the excitement among objective journalists for Joe Biden’s declared victory, reporters are missing how extraordinary the Democrat’s performance was in the 2020 election. It’s not just that the former vice president is on track to become the oldest president in American history, it’s what he managed to accomplish at the polls this year.

Candidate Joe Biden was so effective at animating voters in 2020 that he received a record number of votes, more than 15 million more than Barack Obama received in his re-election of 2012. Amazingly, he managed to secure victory while also losing in almost every bellwether county across the country. No presidential candidate has been capable of such electoral jujitsu until now.

While Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 totals in every urban county in the United States, he outperformed her in the metropolitan areas of Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Even more surprising, the former VP put up a record haul of votes, despite Democrats’ general failures in local House and state legislative seats across the nation.

He accomplished all this after receiving a record low share of the primary vote compared to his Republican opponent heading into the general election. Clearly, these are tremendous and unexpected achievements that would normally receive sophisticated analysis from the journalist class but have somehow gone mostly unmentioned during the celebrations at news studios in New York City and Washington, D.C.

The massive national political realignment now taking place may be one source of these surprising upsets. Yet still, to have pulled so many rabbits out of his hat like this, nobody can deny that Biden is a first-rate campaigner and politician, the likes of which America has never before seen. Let’s break down just how unique his political voodoo has been in 2020.

1. 80 Million Votes

Holy moly! A lot of Americans turned out for a Washington politician who’s been in office for nearly 50 years. Consider this: no incumbent president in nearly a century and a half has gained votes in a re-election campaign and still lost.

President Trump gained more than ten million votes since his 2016 victory, but Biden’s appeal was so substantial that it overcame President Trump’s record support among minority voters. Biden also shattered Barack Obama’s own popular vote totals, really calling into question whether it was not perhaps Biden who pulled Obama across the finish lines in 2008 and 2012.

Proving how sharp his political instincts are, the former VP managed to gather a record number of votes while consistently trailing President Trump in measures of voter enthusiasm. Biden was so savvy that he motivated voters unenthusiastic about his campaign to vote for him in record numbers.

2. Winning Despite Losing Most Bellwether Counties

Biden is set to become the first presidentin 60 years to lose the states of Ohio and Florida on his way to election. For a century, these states have consistently predicted the national outcome, and they have been considered roughly representative of the American melting pot as a whole. Despite national polling giving Biden a lead in both states, he lost Ohio by eight points and Florida by more than three.

For Biden to lose these key bellwethers by notable margins and still win the national election is newsworthy. Not since the Mafia allegedly aided John F. Kennedy in winning Illinois over Richard Nixon in 1960 has an American president pulled off this neat trick.

Even more unbelievably, Biden is on his way to winning the White House after having lost almost every historic bellwether county across the country. The Wall Street Journal and The Epoch Times independently analyzed the results of 19 counties around the United States that have nearly perfect presidential voting records over the last 40 years.

President Trump won every single bellwether county, except Clallam County in Washington.
Whereas the former VP picked up Clallam by about three points, President Trump’s margin of victory in the other 18 counties averaged over 16 points. In a larger list of 58 bellwether counties that have correctly picked the president since 2000, Trump won 51 of them by an average of 15 points, while the other seven went to Biden by around four points. Bellwether counties overwhelmingly chose President Trump, but Biden found a path to victory anyway.

3. Biden Trailed Clinton Except in a Select Few Cities

Patrick Basham, a pollster with an accurate track record and the director of the Democracy Institute in D.C., highlighted two observations made by fellow colleagues, polling guru Richard Baris of Big Data Poll and Washington Post election analyst Robert Barnes. Baris noted a statistical oddity from 2020’s election returns: “Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.”
Barnes added that in those “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.” In the states that mattered most, so many mail-in ballots poured in for Biden from the cities that he put up record-breaking numbers and overturned state totals that looked like comfortable leads for President Trump.

If Democrats succeed in eliminating the Electoral College, Biden’s magic formula for churning out overwhelming vote totals in a handful of cities should make the Democrats unbeatable.

4. Biden Won Despite Democrat Losses Everywhere Else

Randy DeSoto noted in The Western Journal that “Donald Trump was pretty much the only incumbent president in U.S. history to lose his re-election while his own party gained seats in the House of Representatives.” Now that’s a Biden miracle!

In 2020, The Cook Political Report and The New York Times rated 27 House seats as toss-ups going into Election Day. Right now, Republicans appear to have won all 27. Democrats failed to flip a single state house chamber, while Republicans flipped both the House and Senate in New Hampshire and expanded their dominance of state legislatures across the country.

Christina Polizzi, a spokesperson for the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, went so far as to state: “It’s clear that Trump isn’t an anchor for the Republican legislative candidates. He’s a buoy.” Amazingly, Biden beat the guy who lifted all other Republicans to victory. Now that’s historic!

5. Biden Overcame Trump’s Commanding Primary Vote

In the past, primary vote totals have been remarkably accurate in predicting general election winners. Political analyst David Chapman highlighted three historical facts before the election.

First, no incumbent who has received 75 percent of the total primary vote has lost re-election. Second, President Trump received 94 percent of the primary vote, which is the fourth highest of all time (higher than Dwight Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton, or Obama). In fact, Trump is only one of five incumbents since 1912 to receive more than 90 percent of the primary vote.

Third, Trump set a record for most primary votes received by an incumbent when more than 18 million people turned out for him in 2020 (the previous record, held by Bill Clinton, was half that number). For Biden to prevail in the general election, despite Trump’s historic support in the primaries, turns a century’s worth of prior election data on its head.
Joe Biden achieved the impossible. It’s interesting that many more journalists aren’t pointing that out.

 






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So PA is getting the state legislature to make the decision?
I’m reading conflicting reports from both sides.

I’m on the fence and leaning towards nothing will change as I’ve never seen anything like this.
 






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5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

Surely the journalist class should be intrigued by the historic implausibility of Joe Biden’s victory. That they are not is curious, to say the least.

By J.B. Shurk


In all the excitement among objective journalists for Joe Biden’s declared victory, reporters are missing how extraordinary the Democrat’s performance was in the 2020 election. It’s not just that the former vice president is on track to become the oldest president in American history, it’s what he managed to accomplish at the polls this year.

Candidate Joe Biden was so effective at animating voters in 2020 that he received a record number of votes, more than 15 million more than Barack Obama received in his re-election of 2012. Amazingly, he managed to secure victory while also losing in almost every bellwether county across the country. No presidential candidate has been capable of such electoral jujitsu until now.

While Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 totals in every urban county in the United States, he outperformed her in the metropolitan areas of Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Even more surprising, the former VP put up a record haul of votes, despite Democrats’ general failures in local House and state legislative seats across the nation.

He accomplished all this after receiving a record low share of the primary vote compared to his Republican opponent heading into the general election. Clearly, these are tremendous and unexpected achievements that would normally receive sophisticated analysis from the journalist class but have somehow gone mostly unmentioned during the celebrations at news studios in New York City and Washington, D.C.

The massive national political realignment now taking place may be one source of these surprising upsets. Yet still, to have pulled so many rabbits out of his hat like this, nobody can deny that Biden is a first-rate campaigner and politician, the likes of which America has never before seen. Let’s break down just how unique his political voodoo has been in 2020.

1. 80 Million Votes

Holy moly! A lot of Americans turned out for a Washington politician who’s been in office for nearly 50 years. Consider this: no incumbent president in nearly a century and a half has gained votes in a re-election campaign and still lost.

President Trump gained more than ten million votes since his 2016 victory, but Biden’s appeal was so substantial that it overcame President Trump’s record support among minority voters. Biden also shattered Barack Obama’s own popular vote totals, really calling into question whether it was not perhaps Biden who pulled Obama across the finish lines in 2008 and 2012.

Proving how sharp his political instincts are, the former VP managed to gather a record number of votes while consistently trailing President Trump in measures of voter enthusiasm. Biden was so savvy that he motivated voters unenthusiastic about his campaign to vote for him in record numbers.

2. Winning Despite Losing Most Bellwether Counties

Biden is set to become the first presidentin 60 years to lose the states of Ohio and Florida on his way to election. For a century, these states have consistently predicted the national outcome, and they have been considered roughly representative of the American melting pot as a whole. Despite national polling giving Biden a lead in both states, he lost Ohio by eight points and Florida by more than three.

For Biden to lose these key bellwethers by notable margins and still win the national election is newsworthy. Not since the Mafia allegedly aided John F. Kennedy in winning Illinois over Richard Nixon in 1960 has an American president pulled off this neat trick.

Even more unbelievably, Biden is on his way to winning the White House after having lost almost every historic bellwether county across the country. The Wall Street Journal and The Epoch Times independently analyzed the results of 19 counties around the United States that have nearly perfect presidential voting records over the last 40 years.

President Trump won every single bellwether county, except Clallam County in Washington.
Whereas the former VP picked up Clallam by about three points, President Trump’s margin of victory in the other 18 counties averaged over 16 points. In a larger list of 58 bellwether counties that have correctly picked the president since 2000, Trump won 51 of them by an average of 15 points, while the other seven went to Biden by around four points. Bellwether counties overwhelmingly chose President Trump, but Biden found a path to victory anyway.

3. Biden Trailed Clinton Except in a Select Few Cities

Patrick Basham, a pollster with an accurate track record and the director of the Democracy Institute in D.C., highlighted two observations made by fellow colleagues, polling guru Richard Baris of Big Data Poll and Washington Post election analyst Robert Barnes. Baris noted a statistical oddity from 2020’s election returns: “Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.”
Barnes added that in those “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.” In the states that mattered most, so many mail-in ballots poured in for Biden from the cities that he put up record-breaking numbers and overturned state totals that looked like comfortable leads for President Trump.

If Democrats succeed in eliminating the Electoral College, Biden’s magic formula for churning out overwhelming vote totals in a handful of cities should make the Democrats unbeatable.

4. Biden Won Despite Democrat Losses Everywhere Else

Randy DeSoto noted in The Western Journal that “Donald Trump was pretty much the only incumbent president in U.S. history to lose his re-election while his own party gained seats in the House of Representatives.” Now that’s a Biden miracle!

In 2020, The Cook Political Report and The New York Times rated 27 House seats as toss-ups going into Election Day. Right now, Republicans appear to have won all 27. Democrats failed to flip a single state house chamber, while Republicans flipped both the House and Senate in New Hampshire and expanded their dominance of state legislatures across the country.

Christina Polizzi, a spokesperson for the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, went so far as to state: “It’s clear that Trump isn’t an anchor for the Republican legislative candidates. He’s a buoy.” Amazingly, Biden beat the guy who lifted all other Republicans to victory. Now that’s historic!

5. Biden Overcame Trump’s Commanding Primary Vote

In the past, primary vote totals have been remarkably accurate in predicting general election winners. Political analyst David Chapman highlighted three historical facts before the election.

First, no incumbent who has received 75 percent of the total primary vote has lost re-election. Second, President Trump received 94 percent of the primary vote, which is the fourth highest of all time (higher than Dwight Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton, or Obama). In fact, Trump is only one of five incumbents since 1912 to receive more than 90 percent of the primary vote.

Third, Trump set a record for most primary votes received by an incumbent when more than 18 million people turned out for him in 2020 (the previous record, held by Bill Clinton, was half that number). For Biden to prevail in the general election, despite Trump’s historic support in the primaries, turns a century’s worth of prior election data on its head.
Joe Biden achieved the impossible. It’s interesting that many more journalists aren’t pointing that out.

The votes can seem sketchy, but a lot of people voted to get rid of Trump.
It’s actually easy to correlate mail in voting with people staying home cause of covid.
 






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CIA cyber-crime expert: Hundreds of thousands of votes flipped to Biden


Navid Keshavarz-Nia

A cyber-crime expert who recently was praised by the New York Times declared in a sworn affidavit in a Sidney Powell lawsuit that hundreds of thousands votes were shifted from President Trump to Joe Biden in battleground states.

Navid Keshavarz-Nia, the Times said in September in a glowing report, was regarded by those who worked with him as "always the smartest person in the room."

His expertise in big-data architecture, cloud computing, security and blockchain technology has been used by the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency, U.S. military counterintelligence and the Department of Homeland Security.

A vice president and senior director of information security for Black Key Solutions LLC, he also has been deployed by corporate financial giants such as Deutsche Bank.

His affidavit was filed with Powell's complaint late Wednesday in a Georgia court, the Gateway Pundit reported.
 






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At least it's positive you decided to carefully look at the data this time, now I don't have to lead you there. But you shouldn't assume things. I already shared Crowder's video here, in which the Wayne County AV counting boards are explained.

An obvious question would be why these AV ballots weren't added to the Detroit precincts as they did in all the other precincts, or even for Detroit precincts during the primaries. Are you going to pretend that there's nothing to see here?

View attachment 47193View attachment 47194

Now there's no way to verify if the AV ballot count exceeds the registered voter total per Detroit precinct. That itself reeks of bad intent.

But here comes the stinger, something which Crowder already brought up in the video. Those 173k AV ballots counted without precinct verification, how much would the voter turnout for those AV ballots have had to have been?

Think about the vote results for Detroit:

94.04% for Biden
5.09% for Trump

Do you think this is normal?

Wouldn't this explain why they didn't add the AV ballots per Detroit precinct so we couldn't verify them against registered voters? Because let's imagine that 80% of the 16.41% election day turnout was in Biden's favour (which is very generous for election day voters!), that would mean that for the remaining 83.59% of votes, they would've needed 97.9% of absentee votes to go to Biden, with a 100% turnout!

You don't even see these ratios in elections where dictators are the only candidate.

Does this start to make sense now?

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Or this?

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It took me a second to realize how you manipulated me with the original message. So, to be clear, you knew about the av counting boards when you were making the original argument that precincts were reporting around 20% voter turnout even though news reports were reporting 49% turnout?

Therefore, you knew when you were saying this that the difference between these two percentages was when the absentee votes were counted. So were you intentionally excluding this information to make an argument that would appear to demonstrate something more fraudulent than you knew there would be in reality if you included the absentee votes? There is something very dishonest about the fact that you are saying you knew about the av counting boards, but you didn't include them when you were originally making an argument about this.

Then, you appear to be trying to link to a crowder video that I can't view, because it is not linked correctly, so I cannot verify what this says in relation to what I have been able to find about this. However, I'm guessing that Crowder didn't do his homework either because you respond to my question about voter population size with a comparison to New York. This means that Crowder has not informed you of something as basic as seperation of states regarding this subject. What happens in New York is completely irrelevant to what happens in Michigan in many ways concerning this subject. They are seperate states with their own policies and procedures.

You would need to compare with other cities within Michigan to find trends for how larger cities handled the increased number of absentee votes. This would only serve to show correlation or that Detroit was not the exception that it is being made out to be. This wouldn't give background on why this process of creating counting boards is allowed within the state of Michigan.

It looks like the use of absentee counting boards in Michigan was proposed in 2018 from what I can tell. It looks like this was proposed in 2018, but there is a lot of verbage to go through, so it could have been before this.

https://www.governing.com/next/Just-Seven-Weeks-Out-Michigan-Considers-Election-Law-Changes.html

Whenever, this may have officially been included, it wasn't orginally added for this year's election and it is thoroughly detailed in their election legal code.

The law continues to detail how the counting boards can be created. There are provisions for workers to be protected from intimidation. There are details about supplies that are to be used at these counting board locations. Most importantly regarding your argument that you appear to be deriving from Crowder, who unfortunately doesn't seem to have done his homework, an absent voter counting board is by law considered a seperate precinct. Therefore, they are not expected to redistribute votes by precinct within the official results when absent voter counting boards are used in a city with 250 or more precincts like Detroit.

"Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, an absent voter counting board is a separate precinct for the purposes of this act. If a municipality has 250 or more precincts and absent voter counting boards are used, each ballot form which contains identical offices and names may be considered a separate precinct for the purposes of this section"

So Detroit didn't decide on a whim that there city would manage the absentee votes with counting boards. This was clearly defined within the legal code for the state of Michigan. Counting boards are mentioned 114 times within the election law for the state of Michigan. The use of counting boards within Detroit and the absence of seperating out votes by precinct within the results, would have a strong defense in a courtroom. Another reason Guilianni can't bring a case of fraud against the city of Detroit for any of the reasons that you have given so far. He has no case. They are acting completely within the boundaries of their own legal code regarding absentee voting.


In addition to this, The Guardian is nice enough to include the total number of votes that were collected in the city of Detroit for the years of 2008 and 2016 for comparison.

"Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Detroit voters who cast a ballot during presidential elections dropped from 335,000 to 247,000."
So in the year Obama was elected, there was almost 100,000 more votes collected in the city of detroit. The article references this as a way of highlighting the factors that led to Trump winning the Michigan eletoral votes in 2016. This win was a slim margin of around 10,000 votes at the time, and Detroit is a city used to highlight the reason for this win since their overall voter turnout dropped significantly in 2016.

There were 250,138 total votes in Detroit this year. What part of this is unreasonable? Biden didn't win Michigan with a margin of around 10,000 votes. He won with about 150,000 votes. The number of votes in Detroit did not change much between 2016 and 2020. This is why Guilianni can't argue overcounts in court or that fraud in Detroit is the reason that Trump lost in Michigan.

Furthermore, the Detroit Free Press explains that overcounts found in 2016 did not exceed 12 for a grand total of 782 overcounted voted.
"Most of those overages were by small amounts — on average about 3 votes — with the largest being 12 votes in a single precinct. Those small numbers added up to 782 total spread out across more than 200 precincts. "

The problem with arguing a problem with overcounts and using 2016 as your example is that there were also undercounts recorded in 2016, which means that this number is actually lower when you subtract this value. Which means that the potential for overcounts when it is based on the history of 2016 does not present an argument that overcounts could have changed the outcome of the election, meaning that Michigan has been certified in good faith since there is no evidence of fraud.

And again, this is why Guilianni cannot make a case of fraud against Detroit, but people like yourself can get up on a soapbox and continue to make suggestions like this. You are basically sensationalizing reality, but the true reality is that all of the information that you would need to know that what you are saying is actually crap, is freely available and uncensored so that I can for an opinion form myself on the subject.

It is just unfortunate that you didn't question Crowder more when you had first gained awareness of the information he presented. He clearly was doing a poor job of presenting you with all the facts.

 






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The only real threat of a coup-d'etat taking place can be found within this article describing the lawsuit filed by Sidney Powell. Absolutely absurd to suggest that a court come to the conclusion of decertifying an election and declaring Trump the winner. What kind of fantasy land do you people live in?

If there was fraud regarding a computer system that would be considered widespread fraud, a rational response would be to redo the election, not nullify the votes of many and have the court decide who is president based on the presence of fraud. Get it through your heads, a person does not become president because they are not guilty of fraud. They become president because they have the most votes.

The lawsuit is a completely offensive to maintaining a democratic system. It it were to be taken seriously, which I don't think it will be because it is beyond absurd, it may as well be considered the catalyst to a dictatorship.

 






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So PA is getting the state legislature to make the decision?
I’m reading conflicting reports from both sides.

I’m on the fence and leaning towards nothing will change as I’ve never seen anything like this.
No they aren’t. Doing so would be against state law. The top republican has already stated this unequivocally
 






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It took me a second to realize how you manipulated me with the original message. So, to be clear, you knew about the av counting boards when you were making the original argument that precincts were reporting around 20% voter turnout even though news reports were reporting 49% turnout?

Therefore, you knew when you were saying this that the difference between these two percentages was when the absentee votes were counted. So were you intentionally excluding this information to make an argument that would appear to demonstrate something more fraudulent than you knew there would be in reality if you included the absentee votes? There is something very dishonest about the fact that you are saying you knew about the av counting boards, but you didn't include them when you were originally making an argument about this.

Then, you appear to be trying to link to a crowder video that I can't view, because it is not linked correctly, so I cannot verify what this says in relation to what I have been able to find about this. However, I'm guessing that Crowder didn't do his homework either because you respond to my question about voter population size with a comparison to New York. This means that Crowder has not informed you of something as basic as seperation of states regarding this subject. What happens in New York is completely irrelevant to what happens in Michigan in many ways concerning this subject. They are seperate states with their own policies and procedures.

You would need to compare with other cities within Michigan to find trends for how larger cities handled the increased number of absentee votes. This would only serve to show correlation or that Detroit was not the exception that it is being made out to be. This wouldn't give background on why this process of creating counting boards is allowed within the state of Michigan.

It looks like the use of absentee counting boards in Michigan was proposed in 2018 from what I can tell. It looks like this was proposed in 2018, but there is a lot of verbage to go through, so it could have been before this.

https://www.governing.com/next/Just-Seven-Weeks-Out-Michigan-Considers-Election-Law-Changes.html

Whenever, this may have officially been included, it wasn't orginally added for this year's election and it is thoroughly detailed in their election legal code.

The law continues to detail how the counting boards can be created. There are provisions for workers to be protected from intimidation. There are details about supplies that are to be used at these counting board locations. Most importantly regarding your argument that you appear to be deriving from Crowder, who unfortunately doesn't seem to have done his homework, an absent voter counting board is by law considered a seperate precinct. Therefore, they are not expected to redistribute votes by precinct within the official results when absent voter counting boards are used in a city with 250 or more precincts like Detroit.

"Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, an absent voter counting board is a separate precinct for the purposes of this act. If a municipality has 250 or more precincts and absent voter counting boards are used, each ballot form which contains identical offices and names may be considered a separate precinct for the purposes of this section"

So Detroit didn't decide on a whim that there city would manage the absentee votes with counting boards. This was clearly defined within the legal code for the state of Michigan. Counting boards are mentioned 114 times within the election law for the state of Michigan. The use of counting boards within Detroit and the absence of seperating out votes by precinct within the results, would have a strong defense in a courtroom. Another reason Guilianni can't bring a case of fraud against the city of Detroit for any of the reasons that you have given so far. He has no case. They are acting completely within the boundaries of their own legal code regarding absentee voting.


In addition to this, The Guardian is nice enough to include the total number of votes that were collected in the city of Detroit for the years of 2008 and 2016 for comparison.

"Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Detroit voters who cast a ballot during presidential elections dropped from 335,000 to 247,000."
So in the year Obama was elected, there was almost 100,000 more votes collected in the city of detroit. The article references this as a way of highlighting the factors that led to Trump winning the Michigan eletoral votes in 2016. This win was a slim margin of around 10,000 votes at the time, and Detroit is a city used to highlight the reason for this win since their overall voter turnout dropped significantly in 2016.

There were 250,138 total votes in Detroit this year. What part of this is unreasonable? Biden didn't win Michigan with a margin of around 10,000 votes. He won with about 150,000 votes. The number of votes in Detroit did not change much between 2016 and 2020. This is why Guilianni can't argue overcounts in court or that fraud in Detroit is the reason that Trump lost in Michigan.

Furthermore, the Detroit Free Press explains that overcounts found in 2016 did not exceed 12 for a grand total of 782 overcounted voted.
"Most of those overages were by small amounts — on average about 3 votes — with the largest being 12 votes in a single precinct. Those small numbers added up to 782 total spread out across more than 200 precincts. "

The problem with arguing a problem with overcounts and using 2016 as your example is that there were also undercounts recorded in 2016, which means that this number is actually lower when you subtract this value. Which means that the potential for overcounts when it is based on the history of 2016 does not present an argument that overcounts could have changed the outcome of the election.

And again, this is why Guilianni cannot make a case of fraud against Detroit, but people like yourself can get up on a soapbox and continue to make suggestions like this. You are basically sensationalizing reality, but the true reality is that all of the information that you would need to know that what you are saying is actually crap, is freely available and uncensored so that I can for an opinion form myself on the subject.

It is just unfortunate that you didn't question Crowder more when you had first gained awareness of the information he presented. He clearly was doing a poor job of presenting you with all the facts.

Yes, I did deliberately bait you into the Michigan irregularities. It's clearly the only way to draw your attention to them since you've been ignoring evidence, pretending it to be nonexistent, throughout this entire thread. It's borderline suspicious. But I'm glad it caught your attention now. At least you're no longer ignoring it.

Apologies for the erroneous link. I have no idea how that happened.

Here's the video:


In it Crowder brings up this law (12:50) that allows for these AV counting boards when there's over 250 precincts, but none of that takes away from the legitimate arguments, which you do not address. You circle around them with insignificant voting numbers from 2016 (which I only used as an example that overcount is not something made up out of the blue in 2020). What you're doing is a clear case of strawmanning. You are not addressing the actual arguments or the statistical improbabilities, near impossibilities, and it's looking more and more like deliberate deflection. You're already even parrotting the inception created by the media that team Trump is planning the actual coup while ignoring the blatant electoral coup that already happened.

You are still ignoring those anomalous ballot drops after the closing of the voting boards at 6am in the morning with 95+% Biden votes as if they don't even exist, or as if they're not anomalous at all. You're ignoring that it would only have taken Trump to get 36% of the 16,41% election day voter turnout to require Biden to have gotten 100% of a 100% absentee ballot voter turnout to win Detroit with 94,04%. Meaning, if Trump had 37% or more of the election day voter turnout in Detroit, it is not just statistically impossible, but physically impossible for Biden to have won Detroit with 94,04%.

Biden? Really? He wouldn't even get 94,04% if you only had registered democrats vote between him and Trump.

Even if the setting up of independent counting boards for absentee ballots wasn't decided on a whim, why then did they not include the data of registered voters for those counting boards, for which they had plenty of time to organise?
 






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That is not what the actual ruling says at all. Did you read it?

additionally that was a confirmation of an injunction pending the results of a seperate hearing which also occurred yesterday. The results of which are found here:


I already posted the entire actual decision of that hearing a page or two back. TLDR it was thrown out and the trump appointed judge basically ripped trumps lawyers a new asshole while throwing it out.
 






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Nope. That lawyer seemed to think it did though
Read my edited post. Also read the actual order. Not just tweets about it. This whole thing is being way too overpoliticized to trust other people’s opinions - better to read the actual words. The last paragraph of the order you posted basically makes it clear that they will not be throwing out the results of the election but will allow the legal challenges to continue until December 8th when they will have to certify 100%.

I also get it that legalese is difficult to get through.. I worked in courts for a long time so not so much for me anymore. But I get it.

that order predates the Supreme Court of PA tossing the lawsuit all together. So that order is basically completely irrelevant today but it doesn’t say what you think it does and what youve been led to believe it does by some always trumpet on twitter.
 






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Its disappointing to see people here still falling for the okiedoke. Sure... it was a legitimate tooth and nails contest, bitterly contested which has come down to the wire as both "sides" go all out to secure "victory"... or it this is a planned psy-op like the rest and yall are just the "smart marks" laughing at the rubes while yall fall for the Kayfabe veneer as well...
 






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