The 45 Communist goals for America

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Its also like I said if I went to school to make allot of money then its how I spend that money which determines whether I am in sin. With all that money I could just as well open an orphanage or do something humanitarian. Thats not possible in a socialist society, because the money that capitalism would allow for isnt there.
 






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I would say that the idea behind either system isnt inherently evil in theory. Earning money and money in itself isn't evil. Its the love of money that is the root of all evil and failing to love our neighbor. Nothing is wrong with living in a community where regulation dictates that everyone has everything in common so inequality cant exist. Neither is anything inherently evil about the idea of a society that rewards hard and persistent work by allowing for variable earning potentials.

I dont think socialism can really exist in the modern sense though, because it basically culls any real incentive to go to college or attend any sort of post high school education, yet with the way our society currently works school is needed in correlation to how advanced the work is behind some of these professions. We need doctors and technicians, yet if a secretary or construction worker makes about the same then we are left with a society where doctors and technicians become in demand and eventually these services are left in demand.
We already have a shortage of doctors and technicians. Why? Because this unchecked ridiculous capitalistic system makes it unaffordable and unattractive for most people to pursue becoming one. If you have to take out hundreds of thousands in loans to pay for it.. doesn’t matter how much you get paid once you get there those loans are eating up huge chunks of your pay. It’s a disincentive. We have to ship in foreign medical workers because of how bad this shortage is. And believe it or not some construction workers actually do get paid more then some doctors - and they don’t have loans to pay back on top of it. Our system is entirely screwed when you actually lift up the curtain and look underneath.
 






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because anti capitalism is in favor of a NEW system, the only new system coming is that of the antichrist, how do u think a cashless society will work? with a social credit system. Used for u to be an obedient citizen to the agenda and in reward u will get ur credits this is already being implemented in china.


This is a communist like system. Communistic like principles is a precursor to it. Its frustrating u cant see that because ur not seeing it through a Biblical lense VCE, seems to think the NWO, is a fascist state its not, its defined as something that will be done willingly, "all the world wandered after the beast", people WILL worship the beast, they wil be enamored with it. Its not something that is going to be tyrannically employed to the majority, that right is only reserved for the minority.

Do u think christian values are currently shaping the west? no not at all, therefore who are the majority? and who are the minority? See cant see it but the fascism is actually from the "anti fascists"


The right of freedom of speech is under threat, that is the very definition of fascism, and its being done under the guise of being all accepting of peoples choice.

Christians will be hated, as they are in china and will be persecuted, because they dont fit in with this radical left wing rhetoric of this demonization of the traditional west.
So you think Norway is a communist country?
 






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Its also like I said if I went to school to make allot of money then its how I spend that money which determines whether I am in sin. With all that money I could just as well open an orphanage or do something humanitarian. Thats not possible in a socialist society, because the money that capitalism would allow for isnt there.
No one is talking about doctors. We are talking about trust fund kids and hedge fund managers. People for whom the worship of money is definately an issue. No ones talking about the lawyer who has a McMansion and a Benz. They’re talking about the ceo who has enough money stowed off shore to support three small countries.
 






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because anti capitalism is in favor of a NEW system, the only new system coming is that of the antichrist, how do u think a cashless society will work? with a social credit system. Used for u to be an obedient citizen to the agenda and in reward u will get ur credits this is already being implemented in china.
The system we have is ALREADY ANTICHRIST. You are waiting for something that is already here, that is why you are delusional, and that is what your conspiracy nonsense has brainwashed you into believing. The new system is still the same old antichrist beast system, and it is STILL Capitalism. Social Credit scores does not negate Capitalism. China is capitalist.

This is a communist like system. Communistic like principles is a precursor to it.
No it is a totalitarian capitalist system, with aspects of state socialism.

Its frustrating u cant see that because ur not seeing it through a Biblical lense VCE, seems to think the NWO, is a fascist state its not, its defined as something that will be done willingly, "all the world wandered after the beast", people WILL worship the beast, they wil be enamored with it. Its not something that is going to be tyrannically employed to the majority, that right is only reserved for the minority.
Again you have no clue how to interpret the bible because you've been mislead by right wing zealots who are a major part of the Beast. THE BEAST is already here, it isn't comming, it's here, and you are "worshipping the beast" on this very thread. You've worshiped the beast throughout this forum. You've defended this system, you've defended this empire. This empire IS THE BEAST. It doesn't matter if its now, 100 years ago, 100 years from now, its the same beast, its been around for centuries. The world is currently wondering after it, and following its economic and political system, also in fear of its military.
Do u think christian values are currently shaping the west? no not at all, therefore who are the majority? and who are the minority? See cant see it but the fascism is actually from the "anti fascists"
Christian values NEVER DID shape the West. You are living a strong delusion, like the bible says.

The right of freedom of speech is under threat, that is the very definition of fascism, and its being done under the guise of being all accepting of peoples choice.
Freedom of speech is under threat by Trump, when he uses the GOVERNMENT to come down on protesters (freedom of speech) Youtube purges are not "fascism"

Christians will be hated, as they are in china and will be persecuted, because they dont fit in with this radical left wing rhetoric of this demonization of the traditional west.
You literally have no clue about the Bible.

It speaks of those FOLLOWING CHRIST, meaning those WHO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS

not those who call themselves CHRISTIANS, yet worship the Beast and defend its system.

Being a Christian isn't about going to church or professing your religion, its about living your life a certain way, and many "christians" are not doing it.
 






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The system we have is ALREADY ANTICHRIST. You are waiting for something that is already here, that is why you are delusional, and that is what your conspiracy nonsense has brainwashed you into believing. The new system is still the same old antichrist beast system, and it is STILL Capitalism. Social Credit scores does not negate Capitalism. China is capitalist.



No it is a totalitarian capitalist system, with aspects of state socialism.



Again you have no clue how to interpret the bible because you've been mislead by right wing zealots who are a major part of the Beast. THE BEAST is already here, it isn't comming, it's here, and you are "worshipping the beast" on this very thread. You've worshiped the beast throughout this forum. You've defended this system, you've defended this empire. This empire IS THE BEAST. It doesn't matter if its now, 100 years ago, 100 years from now, its the same beast, its been around for centuries. The world is currently wondering after it, and following its economic and political system, also in fear of its military.


Christian values NEVER DID shape the West. You are living a strong delusion, like the bible says.



Freedom of speech is under threat by Trump, when he uses the GOVERNMENT to come down on protesters (freedom of speech) Youtube purges are not "fascism"



You literally have no clue about the Bible.

It speaks of those FOLLOWING CHRIST, meaning those WHO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS

not those who call themselves CHRISTIANS, yet worship the Beast and defend its system.
So u think the beast system is already here?

ur wrong... seriously?!
 






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China is capitalist ? lol wut, doublespeak here. Ur looking for the utopian communism the antichrist will promise.
 






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I dont care about capitalism I care about whats coming im not defending the system, im defending from the coming new system, uve got ur timeline backwards. Which is why u may think the new messiah coming is bringing what u think was promised, easy mistake to make, if ur interpreting the Bible improperly I can tell u u are, its not about right wing, ur exegesis is off.
 






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We already have a shortage of doctors and technicians. Why? Because this unchecked ridiculous capitalistic system makes it unaffordable and unattractive for most people to pursue becoming one. If you have to take out hundreds of thousands in loans to pay for it.. doesn’t matter how much you get paid once you get there those loans are eating up huge chunks of your pay. It’s a disincentive. We have to ship in foreign medical workers because of how bad this shortage is. And believe it or not some construction workers actually do get paid more then some doctors - and they don’t have loans to pay back on top of it. Our system is entirely screwed when you actually lift up the curtain and look underneath.
Its easy to use cases of extreme wealth to discredit the idea behind capitalism, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that the same system has benefited you and even made your pursuits possible Jess... Basically everyone who has ever attended college to one day purchase nice things has sought to capitalize off of capitalism.
 






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Its easy to use cases of extreme wealth to discredit the idea behind capitalism, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that the same system has benefited you and even made your pursuits possible Jess... Basically everyone who has ever attended college to one day purchase nice things has sought to capitalize off of capitalism.
I went to college to be a social worker Knowing I’d be broke lol. Wrong tree.

plus I never “discredited the idea behind capitalism” I said it needed to be reformed so that these egregious examples don’t exist or at the least are mediated and everyone can have some basic subsistence level of existance.

And for the record I never said it didn’t benefit me. I’ve been open about the fact that I was born into money to some extent. I’m cognizant of that. Know how daddy made that money? Writing computer programs that took people’s jobs away. It’s not an easy thing to sit with.
 






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I dont care about capitalism I care about whats coming im not defending the system, im defending from the coming new system, uve got ur timeline backwards. Which is why u may think the new messiah coming is bringing what u think was promised, easy mistake to make, if ur interpreting the Bible improperly I can tell u u are, its not about right wing, ur exegesis is off.
The antichrist isn’t going to be some unity everything’s great utopia guy. The Bible doesn’t support that. The Bible also doesn’t say sit around and wait for Jesus to come back before trying to make things better.
 






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I'm just saying that capitalism or the idea of living in a society where hard work pays off and allows for a variable earning potential isn't inherently evil. If I work my butt off and persist in something for years I should have more wealth than someone who doesn't.

The problem is greed and covetousness and not loving our neighbor as ourself. Not capitalism.
 






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The antichrist isn’t going to be some unity everything’s great utopia guy. The Bible doesn’t support that. The Bible also doesn’t say sit around and wait for Jesus to come back before trying to make things better.
lmao I just showed u in scripture that he is. He will have the answers to all the problems. Ur talking out of ur bum bum. Render unto caeser dont focus on politics actually, Jesus said. He didnt come to establish an earthly kingdom, that u desperately want.
 






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I'm just saying that capitalism or the idea of living in a society where hard work pays off and allows for a variable earning potential isn't inherently evil. If I work my butt off and persist in something for years I should have more wealth than someone who doesn't.

The problem is greed and covetousness and not loving our neighbor as ourself. Not capitalism.
I agree with you. The problem is the two have become so intertwined that all it is now is greed and an “idea” that doesn’t match reality.
 






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lmao I just showed u in scripture that he is. He will have the answers to all the problems. Ur talking out of ur bum bum. Render unto caeser dont focus on politics actually, Jesus said. He didnt come to establish an earthly kingdom, that u desperately want.
How do you know what I want? You assume quite a lot. Scripture is up for interpretation. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t have hundreds of denominations and all this would be real simple.
 






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So u think the beast system is already here?

ur wrong... seriously?!
Do you even know what the Beast is ? You clearly dont, it was described in the Book of Daniel.

There were 4 Beasts, the Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires.

We are living under the new Roman empire AKA The United States, but the Beast has been here for over 2000 years.

You are way off.
 






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Do you even know what the Beast is ? You clearly dont, it was described in the Book of Daniel.

There were 4 Beasts, the Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires.

We are living under the new Roman empire AKA The United States, but the Beast has been here for over 2000 years.

You are way off.
eh wheres the mark then?
 






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Do you even know what the Beast is ? You clearly dont, it was described in the Book of Daniel.

There were 4 Beasts, the Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires.

We are living under the new Roman empire AKA The United States, but the Beast has been here for over 2000 years.

You are way off.
Have you ever had a girlfriend? I'm thinking no...
 






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The “destruction of the family” is a multi faceted issue and is every bit as much the fault of unfettered capitalism as it is any other ideology. Look into the industrial revolution. You guys always harp about feminism while entirely missing it was a symptom not a cause. If you want to debate the issues honestly and without attributing arguments to me that I’ve never even made, I’m game. If all you want is a strawman to allow you to get some cheap shots hoping it will make you look better then we can both go our seperate ways.
No it is not. I can agree that capitalism needs correction but, the fact that it caused the destruction of the family or that these movements were born out of it are simply not true. But better people have debated this like my man JP.
Jess is very right about this. If you haven’t seen my thread on the Nuclear Family here it is.

The piece in the OP is pretty good and it nicely lays out the changes that family has undergone. To me, what happened in the 60s, followed by the divorce boom in the 70s was more like a filled-up reservoir hence forcing the dam to break. These changes are directly rooted in the Industrial Revolution and it is safe to say that the coming (or already here) 4th Industrial Revolution is also going to leave its mark on the family structure.

LGBTQ+ is also directly rooted in the Industrial Revolution. How, you ask? It is indeed one of its legacies. The inundation of synthetic chemicals in the environment that creates hormonal imbalances in people. That isn’t to say that people with gender dysphoria never existed in the distant past. The groups demanding acceptance of it...that's a whole other matter.

I think it’s some sort of deflection when all the societal ills are laid at the feet of Communists and Socialists yet when you critically look at the situation, it is Capitalist money that funds and directs these changes. Bill Gates pumps money into Planned Parenthood. Weren’t the Rockefellers behind the Pill and the first (synthetic) abortion drug?

At the end of the day, the end-goal is to control Man and the consolidation of power. Regardless of who is using whom to achieve that. Capitalists can use Socialists and vice versa. Which is why my responses in this thread have been kinda like a spoof in that sense that things are happening that aren’t blamed on the capitalists yet their finger is deep in the pie and the evidence is there.

Rockefeller said he wanted a nation of workers, not thinkers. Clearly he was going to get his brainless masses, incapable of critical thought, one way or another. And the ultimate goal of his desire was to protect his wealth and that of his fellow ultra rich because the freedom of critical thought is a real threat to the uber-wealthy. It isn’t hard to imagine how the wealthy capitalists have gone about to dumb down the public in order to protect their wealth. So i'll just leave this quote here to buttress my point.

The ugly truth is that all [‘anti-terrorist’] measures are designed not to protect the American people from attack or to protect our ‘freedoms,’ but to protect wealth and power – specifically the unprecedented levels of wealth currently held by corporate America – and to restrict those very freedoms that threaten their hold on that wealth.
 






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