The 45 Communist goals for America

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Capitalism in itself isn't evil. It just allows for a person to thrive and advance financially to accumulate wealth so by default gaps in economic status will naturally occur. Obviously making money isn't evil. Its using money for evil ends and selfishness that is the problem. How would anyone here like it if they went to work and all of a sudden their employer forcefully reduced their wages by 3 dollars an hour to give to those at the bottom of the financial sphere. Yeah its noble, but each person should be able to choose what they do with their money and not have it chosen for them by a government authority. That is socialism... Its like someone forcefully coming into your house and taking your entertainment system that you earned and it becomes forcefully donated to the poor against your own will...
the system of capitalism we live under which is

Society organized in a way that stock holders can maximize profits irregardless of the social impact IS EVIL, and IS ANTICHRIST to the fullest. That is the very MAMMON that Christ spoke out against. You all are blind as bats if you cannot see this.

I really wonder what bible you guys have been reading because Christ is crystal clear about this. Its like you can just ignore entire sermons and hand pick what you find pertinent, and make a religion out of that.

Again there is a reason Christ is returning TO DESTROY THIS SYSTEM. Because it is anti-christ, and the system of capitalism that enslaves and oppresses so that a tiny minority can live like Kings is at the very heart of that.

but dont take my word for it. Live in ignorance all you want.
 






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That literally has NOTHING to do with socialism.

But keep up with the silly right wing talking points.
In a socialist society everyone basically earns the same wages so inequality doesn't exist. If the average person is given a choice to become a doctor and go to school for years or become a construction worker without school what do you think they will choose if they earn the same amount of money?
 






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the system of capitalism we live under which is

Society organized in a way that stock holders can maximize profits irregardless of the social impact IS EVIL, and IS ANTICHRIST to the fullest.

I really wonder what bible you guys have been reading because Christ is crystal clear about this. Its like you can just ignore entire sermons and hand pick what you find pertinent, and make a religion out of that.

Again there is a reason Christ is returning TO DESTROY THIS SYSTEM. Because it is anti-christ, and the system of capitalism that enslaves and oppresses so that a tiny minority can live like Kings is at the very heart of that.

but dont take my word for it. Live in ignorance all you want.
Christ is coming to put an end to sin. These systems are just byproducts and extensions of the evil that already exists within the human heart.
 






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the system of capitalism we live under which is

Society organized in a way that stock holders can maximize profits irregardless of the social impact IS EVIL, and IS ANTICHRIST to the fullest. That is the very MAMMON that Christ spoke out against. You all are blind as bats if you cannot see this.

I really wonder what bible you guys have been reading because Christ is crystal clear about this. Its like you can just ignore entire sermons and hand pick what you find pertinent, and make a religion out of that.

Again there is a reason Christ is returning TO DESTROY THIS SYSTEM. Because it is anti-christ, and the system of capitalism that enslaves and oppresses so that a tiny minority can live like Kings is at the very heart of that.

but dont take my word for it. Live in ignorance all you want.
You probably live like a king compared to third world countries. Why dont you sell what you have and give to them?
 






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In a socialist society everyone basically earns the same wages so inequality doesn't exist. If the average person is given a choice to become a doctor and go to school for years or become a construction worker without school what do you think they will choose if they earn the same amount of money?
Again with the either/ors. That’s not how real life works. It is what they keep trying to force us into... a choice between two shitty options that are just shitty in different ways. It’s a false choice and it’s a false set up.
 






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First implication of an endorsement of communism at least in principle or, some of there principles. (THAT ARENT PERVERTED DICTATORSHIPS.)



Second implication as communism is an OTHER type of system.



another implication that u are open to exploring a non authoritarian communist system.

I know u are not a communist what u are implying without saying it is, u think some of the ideals of "a true communism" that isnt perverted are good. Otherwise why are u in a thread, denouncing capitalism and talking and being pretty much objectant, to "unfettered capitalism". While trying to imply theres a form of something out there, that may work better, and implying that communism (non perverted communism is an option to explore).

Also on the nordic thing -

"Jerry Mander has likened the Nordic model to a kind of "hybrid" system which features a blend of capitalist economics with socialist values, representing an alternative to American-style capitalism. ... But I think of it as a commitment to use government to make life better for people in a capitalist economy."

This thread was about communism, u and vancity eagle have turned into a condemnation of capitalism, while also claiming that u dont support communism. Or at least perverted communism. But, maintain that there is some sort of middle ground and this is a false dichotomy, which there isnt because its an ideology, that cannot be endorsed without doing away with capitalism so there is a majoritive mechanism to the system, anything that allows any private profit would be classed as capitalism, infact capitalism as we know it doesnt really exist because what u are claiming is unfettered capitalism is really just the shape of communism taking place, but what u actually want is more equality in capitalism. But again - this again is u projecting ur viewpoint that more alligns with the the represented political ideology of who u DO NOT SUPPORT, I .E. Trump.

Because u saw someone condemning communism, and rather than talk about how these issues of trying to make america a communist country then shifted the blame back onto capitalism, its not.

Now hopefully u can stop playing word games, when we can all clearly see the alignment and implications u are making, and when u get backed in a corner, say, "ur attributing things to me i never said", grow up, and have an adult conversation instead of trying to score pedantic points eh?
Nope. I specifically stated I don’t support capitalism or communism. Numerous times now. Sorry to break it to you. Your habit of reading things into words that were not said is not my problem, it’s yours. I actually specifically spelled out what I actually support and it’s neither communism or capitalism. It’s a hybrid - balances the benefits and pitfalls of both for the best mix.

I read the thread, stopped around the fourth item when it was clear everything was being blamed on communism and the savior for all problems Was being painted as capitalism. Nuclear war? Really? Society at large and the people on this board have a tendency to over simplify and reduce things in such a distorted fashion that it’s not even a conversation anymore, it doesn’t even match reality. Funny that the OP of this thread managed to have a civil conversation with me and find common ground. Go figure.

no one is trying to make America a communist country (maybe some irrelevant radicals idk). They are trying to remediate the worst side effects of capitalism. And yes, quite frankly that’s what Jesus would want.
 






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In a socialist society everyone basically earns the same wages so inequality doesn't exist. If the average person is given a choice to become a doctor and go to school for years or become a construction worker without school what do you think they will choose if they earn the same amount of money?
That is a common misconception.

Socialism is about workers owning the means of production as opposed to stockholders.

That has nothing to do with how much a doctor gets paid.
 






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Christ is coming to put an end to sin. These systems are just byproducts and extensions of the evil that already exists within the human heart.
Yes CAPITALISM is a bi product of GREED, and selfishness, and a lack of regard for others. Literally all things Christ preached against.
 






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Again with the either/ors. That’s not how real life works. It is what they keep trying to force us into... a choice between two shitty options that are just shitty in different ways. It’s a false choice and it’s a false set up.
I would say that the idea behind either system isnt inherently evil in theory. Earning money and money in itself isn't evil. Its the love of money that is the root of all evil and failing to love our neighbor. Nothing is wrong with living in a community where regulation dictates that everyone has everything in common so inequality cant exist. Neither is anything inherently evil about the idea of a society that rewards hard and persistent work by allowing for variable earning potentials.

I dont think socialism can really exist in the modern sense though, because it basically culls any real incentive to go to college or attend any sort of post high school education, yet with the way our society currently works school is needed in correlation to how advanced the work is behind some of these professions. We need doctors and technicians, yet if a secretary or construction worker makes about the same then we are left with a society where doctors and technicians become in demand and eventually these services are left in demand.
 






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You probably live like a king compared to third world countries. Why dont you sell what you have and give to them?
What utter nonsense.

I'm out here calling for the world to be better, while YOU are defending this Babylon system.
 






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What utter nonsense.

I'm out here calling for the world to be better, while YOU are defending this Babylon system.
So you dont have resources stowed away and valuables you could sell to give to and better the life of those less fortunate?
 






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I would say that the idea behind either system isnt inherently evil in theory. Earning money and money in itself isn't evil. Its the love of money that is the root of all evil and failing to love our neighbor. Nothing is wrong with living in a community where regulation dictates that everyone has everything in common so inequality cant exist. Neither is anything inherently evil about the idea of a society that rewards hard and persistent work by allowing for variable earning potentials.

I dont think socialism can really exist in the modern sense though, because it basically culls any real incentive to go to college or attend any sort of post high school education, yet with the way our society currently works school is needed in correlation to how advanced the work is behind some of these professions. We need doctors and technicians, yet if a secretary or construction worker makes about the same then we are left with a society where doctors and technicians become in demand and eventually these services are left in demand.
I'm starting to believe that a STRAWMAN is the only argument you people can make.

Where does it ever say doctors getting paid the same as a janitor is a feature of socialism ?
 






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Nope. I specifically stated I don’t support capitalism or communism. Numerous times now. Sorry to break it to you. Your habit of reading things into words that were not said is not my problem, it’s yours. I actually specifically spelled out what I actually support and it’s neither communism or capitalism. It’s a hybrid - balances the benefits and pitfalls of both for the best mix.

I read the thread, stopped around the fourth item when it was clear everything was being blamed on communism and the savior for all problems Was being painted as capitalism. Nuclear war? Really? Society at large and the people on this board have a tendency to over simplify and reduce things in such a distorted fashion that it’s not even a conversation anymore, it doesn’t even match reality. Funny that the OP of this thread managed to have a civil conversation with me and find common ground. Go figure.

no one is trying to make America a communist country (maybe some irrelevant radicals idk). They are trying to remediate the worst side effects of capitalism. And yes, quite frankly that’s what Jesus would want.
because anti capitalism is in favor of a NEW system, the only new system coming is that of the antichrist, how do u think a cashless society will work? with a social credit system. Used for u to be an obedient citizen to the agenda and in reward u will get ur credits this is already being implemented in china.


This is a communist like system. Communistic like principles is a precursor to it. Its frustrating u cant see that because ur not seeing it through a Biblical lense VCE, seems to think the NWO, is a fascist state its not, its defined as something that will be done willingly, "all the world wandered after the beast", people WILL worship the beast, they wil be enamored with it. Its not something that is going to be tyrannically employed to the majority, that right is only reserved for the minority.

Do u think christian values are currently shaping the west? no not at all, therefore who are the majority? and who are the minority? See cant see it but the fascism is actually from the "anti fascists"


The right of freedom of speech is under threat, that is the very definition of fascism, and its being done under the guise of being all accepting of peoples choice.

Christians will be hated, as they are in china and will be persecuted, because they dont fit in with this radical left wing rhetoric of this demonization of the traditional west.
 






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I'm starting to believe that a STRAWMAN is the only argument you people can make.

Where does it ever say doctors getting paid the same as a janitor is a feature of socialism ?
The whole point of socialism is to ensure the inequality that comes through wealth gaps created by capitalism dont exist.
 






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The whole point of socialism is to ensure the inequality that comes through wealth gaps created by capitalism dont exist.
Yes.

but where does that say a doctor gets paid the same as a janitor ?

Are you trying to say that you cannot create a more just society without going that far ?

there will always be levels of inequality, the point is to make it where its not so drastic. Like having multi billionaires and homeless and starving people.

Are you really trying to make the argument that there is nothing in between those two extremes ?
 






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Yes.

but where does that say a doctor gets paid the same as a janitor ?

Are you trying to say that you cannot create a more just society without going that far ?

there will always be levels of inequality, the point is to make it where its not so drastic. Like having multi billionaires and homeless and starving people.

Are you really trying to make the argument that there is nothing in between those two extremes ?
social credits system, think hunger games, thats what ur wanting.
 






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Yes.

but where does that say a doctor gets paid the same as a janitor ?

Are you trying to say that you cannot create a more just society without going that far ?

there will always be levels of inequality, the point is to make it where its not so drastic. Like having multi billionaires and homeless and starving people.

Are you really trying to make the argument that there is nothing in between those two extremes ?
You are the one that used a janitor as an example, yet the same concept still applies in any socialist society, because the higher end jobs cant make that much more money than lower end. Its all equal for the most part.
 






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