The 45 Communist goals for America

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Except that helping the poor and less fortunate was mentioned directly by jesus more then once and should be a big part of Christian morality. It is a false dichotomy at play here which says it’s either unfettered capitalism or authoritarian communism. There’s more then two options in life.
I dont think ur quite understanding what I am saying, whatever starts off as pure, ultimately becomes corrupt when u take God out of the equation. Im not going to have a secular argument because ur missing that dimension, America has drifted away from that element as it has been subverted by the "radical left wing values" and is holding on for dear life. Be sure if we embraced even middle ground, it is sure to be corrupted again without a bedrock of moral values? where do we get them.

Capitalism doesnt mean u dont help the poor tho. Thats a corruption of the privatisation of profit. See u say its a false dichotomy but ur equating that, to what u see capitalism doing now, it doesnt mean it is being represented correctly, and yes there are more than 2 options that is why im sure u will take the third, the antichrists utopia.

and not as a ruling class are there more than those dichotomies or at least one that doesnt place someone in rule over another, which means again falling on there own morality, with no humble standard. Communism is the worst representation of this in my opinion.

this scene springs to mind, even amongst it all the thought of the people having a fair shake is laughed at, game of thrones showing an inkling of the truth. play from the time 5:16.

 






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I dont think ur quite understanding what I am saying, whatever starts off as pure, ultimately becomes corrupt when u take God out of the equation. Im not going to have a secular argument because ur missing that dimension, America has drifted away from that element as it has been subverted by the "radical left wing values" and is holding on for dear life. Be sure if we embraced even middle ground, it is sure to be corrupted again without a bedrock of moral values? where do we get them.

Capitalism doesnt mean u dont help the poor tho. Thats a corruption of the privatisation of profit. See u say its a false dichotomy but ur equating that, to what u see capitalism doing now, it doesnt mean it is being represented correctly, and yes there are more than 2 options that is why im sure u will take the third, the antichrists utopia.

and not as a ruling class are there more than those dichotomies or at least one that doesnt place someone in rule over another, which means again falling on there own morality, with no humble standard. Communism is the worst representation of this in my opinion.

this scene springs to mind, even amongst it all the thought of the people having a fair shake is laughed at, game of thrones showing an inkling of the truth. play from the time 5:16.

Did you read just one of my posts and think you had my stance on the issue? The communist regimes you use as examples are perverted dictatorships. The capitalist system we are currently living in could be called a corporate autocracy - another form of dictatorship. There are countries which find a way to balance these competing perverse tendencies way better then we do (nothing is ever perfect) for the common good for all. We should emulate them.

I’m not “secular” and my understanding of the Christian faith - and the words of Jesus himself - is that it calls on us to find something better then the corrupt autocracy’s of any flavor that exploit the needy. God didn’t say sit around on your arse and wait for him to return to take care of everything.
 






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Did you read just one of my posts and think you had my stance on the issue? The communist regimes you use as examples are perverted dictatorships. The capitalist system we are currently living in could be called a corporate autocracy - another form of dictatorship. There are countries which find a way to balance these competing perverse tendencies way better then we do (nothing is ever perfect) for the common good for all. We should emulate them.

I’m not “secular” and my understanding of the Christian faith - and the words of Jesus himself - is that it calls on us to find something better then the corrupt autocracy’s of any flavor that exploit the needy. God didn’t say sit around on your arse and wait for him to return to take care of everything.
interesting u say arse, as a supposed american.....anyway

Who said sit around?

Its funny because the bottom line what ur getting at is the defence of communist principles, u wrap it up and fence sit, but at the end of the day uve just done that earlier in the thread, what i think ur missing is, communism is abit like the countercultural movement of the 60's, its presented as something moral, with great love and care, but the consequences of it are actually very different regardless of how it is "perverted". Because by its very nature like "free love" it is a perversion of a moral system, that has been ordained.

u think Jesus endorses communist principles? haha. Okay then.

Its just funny u claim to follow Jesus and yet allign urself with pretty much everything that is NWO. The same principles that are totally against christian morality.
 






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If, in the not too distant future, capitalist societies turned against Christianity. Would you be able to still lay claim to that argument that capitalism is better than communism (as you seem to imply that the latter doesn't favor personal freedoms or happiness)?

Totally agree. Anyone who has watched Adam Curtis' The Century of Self will quickly come to that conclusion. The corporate class has never cared about "personal freedoms or happiness". If it did, it would nowhere exist as it presently does. It is the manipulation of the aforementioned that makes capitalism thrive as it does today.

(from part 4 starting at 50min mark to 54min )
"Bernays believed it was too dangerous to let the masses ever have control over their own lives and consumerism was a way of giving people the illusion of control while allowing a responsible elite to continue managing society"

And to me, this perfectly lays bare the pervasive idea that freedom (a high degree of it, that is) only exists in the West and the rest of the world is just trudging along...playing catch-up. And if that "illusion of control" was somehow stripped away from the masses,

In regard to politics and the candidates available on the ballot box, even Huxley stated "You are being persuaded below the level of choice and reason" (16min mark)
 






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interesting u say arse, as a supposed american.....anyway

Who said sit around?

Its funny because the bottom line what ur getting at is the defence of communist principles, u wrap it up and fence sit, but at the end of the day uve just done that earlier in the thread, what i think ur missing is, communism is abit like the countercultural movement of the 60's, its presented as something moral, with great love and care, but the consequences of it are actually very different regardless of how it is "perverted". Because by its very nature like "free love" it is a perversion of a moral system, that has been ordained.

u think Jesus endorses communist principles? haha. Okay then.

Its just funny u claim to follow Jesus and yet allign urself with pretty much everything that is NWO. The same principles that are totally against christian morality.
I said arse because it sound more polite then ass. No win situation huh? When I curse you complain, when I make an effort not to curse you complain and make passive aggressive accusations. I’m from NY and also say y’all from time to time. Sorry if I’m appropriating anyone’s culture :rolleyes: I just like the words.

I’m not a communist. Try taking my arguments for what they actually say rather then what you would like them to say. I own a business. On what earth would it make sense for me to be a communist? I do believe in paying people enough to live and providing an adequate social safety net. I also believe the grotesque accumulation of wealth allowed to occur because of a governmental and economic system that worships and caters to the Uber wealthy is evil.

I believe that because I read the Bible you claim to follow.
 






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I said arse because it sound more polite then ass. No win situation huh? When I curse you complain, when I make an effort not to curse you complain and make passive aggressive accusations. I’m from NY and also say y’all from time to time. Sorry if I’m appropriating anyone’s culture :rolleyes: I just like the words.

I’m not a communist. Try taking my arguments for what they actually say rather then what you would like them to say. I own a business. On what earth would it make sense for me to be a communist? I do believe in paying people enough to live and providing an adequate social safety net. I also believe the grotesque accumulation of wealth allowed to occur because of a governmental and economic system that worships and caters to the Uber wealthy is evil.

I believe that because I read the Bible you claim to follow.
applying the false dichotomy u claim doesnt exist. Lol.
 






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interesting u say arse, as a supposed american.....anyway

Who said sit around?

Its funny because the bottom line what ur getting at is the defence of communist principles, u wrap it up and fence sit, but at the end of the day uve just done that earlier in the thread, what i think ur missing is, communism is abit like the countercultural movement of the 60's, its presented as something moral, with great love and care, but the consequences of it are actually very different regardless of how it is "perverted". Because by its very nature like "free love" it is a perversion of a moral system, that has been ordained.

u think Jesus endorses communist principles? haha. Okay then.

Its just funny u claim to follow Jesus and yet allign urself with pretty much everything that is NWO. The same principles that are totally against christian morality.
you actually think America was some Godly nation that "lost its way to progressivism"

I really wonder because spiritually you are as blind as a bat if you think that a nation literally founded by slave holding freemasons on the basis of genocide, theft, r*pe and murder had anything to do with God.

America is the most anti-Christ nation in history.

This is not necessarily a reflection of any individual living there, but just the reality of the ruling power structure, and how they have built a culture of violence, intolerance, selfishness, and self aggrandizement. This is not recent either, this is the very foundation of America. If you cannot see this, you certainly are following some bull shit form of Christianity, because you clearly do not know Christ.
 






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and by the way for all you fake Christians out there.

If Christ were alive today he would definately be called

a communist
a terrorist
a person who hates America
a social justice warrior

by all the usual reactionary right wing voices

Tucker Carlson would be going on tirades on his nightly show, attacking Christ, and saying we need to investigate him and probably arrest him.

you better believe that. So I dont know who you all think you are down with spiritually but it aint' Christ.
 






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Except that helping the poor and less fortunate was mentioned directly by jesus more then once and should be a big part of Christian morality. It is a false dichotomy at play here which says it’s either unfettered capitalism or authoritarian communism. There’s more then two options in life.
A good economic model I read in an old book once:-

Leviticus 23

22‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’ ”
 






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A good economic model I read in an old book once:-

Leviticus 23

22‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’ ”
Some people might even call that “taxes” if said taxes actually went to enriching the lives of the people in this country.
 






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and by the way for all you fake Christians out there.

If Christ were alive today he would definately be called

a communist
a terrorist
a person who hates America
a social justice warrior

by all the usual reactionary right wing voices

Tucker Carlson would be going on tirades on his nightly show, attacking Christ, and saying we need to investigate him and probably arrest him.

you better believe that. So I dont know who you all think you are down with spiritually but it aint' Christ.
when u actually investigate the founding fathers of america there were bible believing christians, and there those initiated its not as black and white as u are making it to be.

In the uk william wilberforce is a prime example of that. I suppose he was a right wing racist part of the establishment?
 






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and by the way for all you fake Christians out there.

If Christ were alive today he would definately be called

a communist
a terrorist
a person who hates America
a social justice warrior

by all the usual reactionary right wing voices

Tucker Carlson would be going on tirades on his nightly show, attacking Christ, and saying we need to investigate him and probably arrest him.

you better believe that. So I dont know who you all think you are down with spiritually but it aint' Christ.
are u seriously trying to say that the SJW, Communists, AntifaAgents, and LGBQT are not in direct opposition to Christ but moreso that he would be on there side? lolwut

Ur christ and my christ are clearly different, urs is that false one soon to come.
 






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are u seriously trying to say that the SJW, Communists, AntifaAgents, and LGBQT are not in direct opposition to Christ but moreso that he would be on there side? lolwut

Ur christ and my christ are clearly different, urs is that false one soon to come.
What precisely about those groups you mentioned do you feel is “antichrist”?
 






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What precisely about those groups you mentioned do you feel is “antichrist”?
Im not going to debate each of those topics a general view would be what does God say in the Bible about the majority of those things? There is a reason for the prohibition of them. They have consequences on our way of thinking, Ill give you a prime example.

Pornography, about 20 years ago, there was no conscience on porn, in a general consensus was no harm in abit of porn dont want to build up sexual frustration now, we see Ted talks, study and just how depressive porn is on a biological level, and how much it distorts our view of sexuality, this is the liberation we wanted, these were the effects.

Human relations go beyond sexuality, and are an anchor to morality, a relationship cannot thrive on attraction alone, and we have gender roles that are natural that if we follow, give us a sense of fulfilment.

No offence but if u cant see the destruction of the family and traditional values that has happened over the century then I dont know what to tell you, but I suppose that is progressive right?

Its progressive that people have dozens of sexual partners, its progressive that an abortion is done out of convenience, its progressive that we sleep with who we want and do what makes us feel good. its progressive that nobody gets married anymore.

To the point that they after around a year there love cannot transcend the physical, what about when we get old and grey?

This is one aspect of those topics I presented you with. Do you ever think God tells us not to do things for our own good? because he knows what it leads to, in our way of thinking isnt it funny that all these ideologies feminism, transhumanism, progay, prochoice, antifa all seem to fit together like a glove, they shoulder up and defend each other, u know what they are defending? each others rebellion against God.

Facts.

And theyve all been manipulated into doing so.

 






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Im not going to debate each of those topics a general view would be what does God say in the Bible about the majority of those things? There is a reason for the prohibition of them. They have consequences on our way of thinking, Ill give you a prime example.

Pornography, about 20 years ago, there was no conscience on porn, in a general consensus was no harm in abit of porn dont want to build up sexual frustration now, we see Ted talks, study and just how depressive porn is on a biological level, and how much it distorts our view of sexuality, this is the liberation we wanted, these were the effects.

Human relations go beyond sexuality, and are an anchor to morality, a relationship cannot thrive on attraction alone, and we have gender roles that are natural that if we follow, give us a sense of fulfilment.

No offence but if u cant see the destruction of the family and traditional values that has happened over the century then I dont know what to tell you, but I suppose that is progressive right?

Its progressive that people have dozens of sexual partners, its progressive that an abortion is done out of convenience, its progressive that we sleep with who we want and do what makes us feel good. its progressive that nobody gets married anymore.

To the point that they after around a year there love cannot transcend the physical, what about when we get old and grey?

This is one aspect of those topics I presented you with. Do you ever think God tells us not to do things for our own good? because he knows what it leads to, in our way of thinking isnt it funny that all these ideologies feminism, transhumanism, progay, prochoice, antifa all seem to fit together like a glove, they shoulder up and defend each other, u know what they are defending? each others rebellion against God.

Facts.

And theyve all been manipulated into doing so.

God and Jesus said nothing about any of the labels you gave out. Labels aren’t issues and labels aren’t specific. I abhor porn for example. None of those labels has anything inherently to do with porn.

The “destruction of the family” is a multi faceted issue and is every bit as much the fault of unfettered capitalism as it is any other ideology. Look into the industrial revolution. You guys always harp about feminism while entirely missing it was a symptom not a cause. If you want to debate the issues honestly and without attributing arguments to me that I’ve never even made, I’m game. If all you want is a strawman to allow you to get some cheap shots hoping it will make you look better then we can both go our seperate ways.
 






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God and Jesus said nothing about any of the labels you gave out. Labels aren’t issues and labels aren’t specific. I abhor porn for example. None of those labels has anything inherently to do with porn.

The “destruction of the family” is a multi faceted issue and is every bit as much the fault of unfettered capitalism as it is any other ideology. Look into the industrial revolution. You guys always harp about feminism while entirely missing it was a symptom not a cause. If you want to debate the issues honestly and without attributing arguments to me that I’ve never even made, I’m game. If all you want is a strawman to allow you to get some cheap shots hoping it will make you look better then we can both go our seperate ways.
No it is not. I can agree that capitalism needs correction but, the fact that it caused the destruction of the family or that these movements were born out of it are simply not true. But better people have debated this like my man JP. So in a nutshell...

what is you talkiing about?! haha. Honestly, this is NPC'ing at its finest.
 






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Also ur missing the point on porn, its not specifically about porn, its about the formation of societal norms that are actually counterintuitive for us to have better lives, under the guise of freedom, liberation and love. Uve gone into NPC mode, and u are not using reasoning at this point.
 






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And since Satan masquerades as an angel of light of course he will hide under something like communism to achieve his goal. Communism is supposed to be all the good things they say it is while in fact it is the direct opposite. This is a fallen world, a dog eat dog world and socialists/communist leaders are nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing. The Fabian Socialists logo was in fact THAT.

Jesus said this world would be destroyed and a new one would be offered. Communists believe the lie that we can turn this world ran by Satan into an utopia. Never. Gonna. Happen.
 






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