The 45 Communist goals for America

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more right wing stupidity

their silly conspiracy theories all have the United Nations as some all empowered body which is the greatest threat to mankind. Its really funny reading such nonsense.

The UN that literally has no power at all becomes this comic book villain.

The UN that Israel flaunts all the time and continues to break international law, and the UN is toothless to do a damn thing about

The UN that George Bush told to fuck off, and decided to invade Iraq, and the UN was toothless to say or do a damn thing.

Suddenly that powerless, spineless UN is going to send troops to occupy America. LOL

These idiots can't even make up a believable conspiracy theory. They've got no good imagination. Like use common sense at least.
I agree. Minus the ridicule, although one might argue people who are basically advocating for nuclear war against communism deserve said ridicule. It's like yeah, you don't have to be a genius to get that not nuking each other is the best option.

As far as the U.N, I remember hearing about them taking over since at least 1999. I thought the conspiracy theory was compelling, but ultimately gets destroyed by Occam's razor. Basically, if you remove every instance of the jumping to conclusions fallacy, the whole narrative falls down. Of course, that's the main problem with every conspiracy theory.

Two modernized nations don't go to "cold war" with each other and both end up still being superpowers. Superpowers with the same technologies, the same wartime strategies, and the same kind of intelligence agencies. Now, maybe I'll buy the argument that the "arms race" happened organically, but either way, both sides benefitted too much.
 






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I think this will be an easy thread to misinterpret as people will wonder at the title and get hung up on particular points. I don’t really mind because it gets people talking and thinking.

These are trends that were emerging a lifetime ago, and some of them were quite far sighted. As far as an end game, I really don’t think communists will take over America, but I do believe that the AC system, described more often as the NWO will have more in common with global technocracy than of free and sovereign nation states. It was the way the minds of people have been softened to want a NWO that caught my attention.
 






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I posted this up because it was published in 1963 under the title of the “Communist Agenda”. I do understand that generation has its bogeymen and don’t automatically agree with his premise or even all of the points.

What did interest me was how a significant number of these agenda items have come to the fore in the last 57 years.
that list from what I understand did not even come from Communists.

It came from Cleon Skousen a former FBI agent, and member of the John Birch Society and Council for National Policy.

so seems like yet another fake, in the long list of hoaxes designed by the fascists to create the communist boogeyman.
 






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that list from what I understand did not even come from Communists.

It came from Cleon Skousen a former FBI agent, and member of the John Birch Society and Council for National Policy.

so seems like yet another fake, in the long list of hoaxes designed by the fascists to create the communist boogeyman.
OK... what would you consider to be the advantages and disadvantages of communism @vancityeagle ?
 






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p.s. Reflections on the book “The Naked Communist” that Cleon Skousen produced, and from which later Albert S. Hurling read into the congressional record in 1963:-

 






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Pps - this has turned out to be a very interesting rabbit hole (at least for me) - the son of the writer of the “Naked Communist” wrote “The Naked Socialist”....

Worth a watch if you want to...

 






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OK... what would you consider to be the advantages and disadvantages of communism @vancityeagle ?
I'm not a communist, like I'm also not a Muslim, but that doesn't mean that either group needs to be lied about in order to create an extreme reactionary movement.

There are many things I agree with that are a part of communist ideology (closer to socialism actually) like

- Workers controlling means of production
- Nationalized banks
- Nationalized big industry
- higher taxes on the super rich
- anti colonialism anti imperialism
- anti racism
- free healthcare and education
- end of political lobbying
- increased social services
- more government funded jobs

These things would all benefit society and the world in general and are things to be embraced and not feared.
 






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I'm not a communist, like I'm also not a Muslim, but that doesn't mean that either group needs to be lied about in order to create an extreme reactionary movement.

There are many things I agree with that are a part of communist ideology (closer to socialism actually) like

- Workers controlling means of production
- Nationalized banks
- Nationalized big industry
- higher taxes on the super rich
- anti colonialism anti imperialism
- anti racism
- free healthcare and education
- end of political lobbying
- increased social services
- more government funded jobs

These things would all benefit society and the world in general and are things to be embraced and not feared.
Can you think of a country that manages to enshrine these ideals that is working well?
 






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Can you think of a country that manages to enshrine these ideals that is working well?
Not really because the controllers of this world do not want any examples of this, so they have actively sought out to overthrow or destroy nations attempting this.

Libya under Gaddafi was a best example. Highest standard of living in Africa.

Places like Cuba have made strides with education and healthcare, but have been subjected to decades of economic warfare from the "world community"

Places like Venezuela have made strides in reducing poverty and homelessness, but same economic warfare as above.

Nordic countries while not fully embracing the socialist ideology have gone further in that direction than other Western nations and have seen great benefits.
 






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Perhaps the forces trying to erode the ideals the US was founded on may miscalculate and inadvertently cause people to remember the fact that a nation whose aims are “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is worth hanging onto.

...and I say that as an Englishman who doesn’t blame Washington for wanting independence from Imperial rule.
 






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Iam going to try and have as much fun as i can with this :)
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.
Done! They are already two wings of the same bird.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Done!.....by the Robber Barons (imagine that?!) and their successors.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
Done!...Operation Mocking Bird, Crown Jewels
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
Done! Jay Dyer has written some really good pieces on the debasing of art. It took me a good while to scour his archives as i couldn't remember the title of the article where i read this:

"For most, the development of the arts is an organic, random process that just happens to occur, with the latest weirdo upping the ante and making a hefty profit for his “genius” work, usually involving some form of actual litter, feces, urine or corpses. What the unknowing public and its masses of “artsy” trendy wanna-bes who inhabit metropolises and immerse themselves in this sordid arena are unable to fathom or grasp, is that the movement of art itself in the 20th and 21st centuries is engineered to take the track it has.
The engineering of art was a decision made by the Rockefeller Foundation workers, the Guggenheim family, the Frankfurt School working with British Fabians like Bertrand Russell, and the intelligence agencies like the CIA, which the Rockefellers were instrumental in establishing. Concomitant with the rise of garbage “art” was the rise of feminism and its Rockefeller funding, as well, so they can be seen as connected movements, that culminate in the phony drug and sex “revolution” of the 1960s. I have detailed this elsewhere, focusing on the Marxist elements behind the above movements, but it is crucial to see that the Marxists were merely one level of this social engineering, as the funding for these Marxists and Frankfurt School degenerates came from international capitalists and their close cousins, the Fabian Socialists. Bertrand Russell and the Critical Theorists of Frankfurt openly stated how all of society would be reengineered, and a crucial aspect of that change involved the complete control of the arts. In fact, the arts are one of the most powerful, important arms of the machine, as the arts have a much deeper, more powerful impact on the mass consciousness than any Marxist or socialist books ever could"

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
Done! See above and this talk was also pretty good

If, at its heart, communism intends to breakdown morality by promoting porn then to prove this, take an average Chinese film or soap opera and compare it with the average Western film or soap opera or even commercial ad and then decide which one has the most porn, obscenity and nudity.
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
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38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
On the road....partly happening.
 






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38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.
I'll touch on these points again

Psychologizing Subservience: The Era of Psuchikos Man

"In 1963, American psychiatrist Thomas Szasz warned of the rise of what he called the “Therapeutic State,” a system in which unauthorized modes of thought and behavior are repressed through “pseudo-medical intervention.” While the ACLU and civil libertarians consistently promote the separation of church and state, perhaps a more necessary separation to argue on behalf of is the division between psychiatry and the State. In the absence of such a division, humanity could witness the emergence of psychologized subservience and the era of psuchikos man. "

8yrs ago, this ended up in the DSM
Oppositional Defiant Disorder,

This is a good and recent example
 






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Perhaps the forces trying to erode the ideals the US was founded on may miscalculate and inadvertently cause people to remember the fact that a nation whose aims are “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is worth hanging onto.

...and I say that as an Englishman who doesn’t blame Washington for wanting independence from Imperial rule.
Why do you automatically attribute the principles of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” to a capitalistic system and assume they don’t exist in other types of systems?
 






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Why do you automatically attribute the principles of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” to a capitalistic system and assume they don’t exist in other types of systems?
I know generalisations are often heavy handed. Some of my extended family lived through soviet Russia, I have had Christian friends who live in China. I didn’t get the impression that personal freedom and happiness were high on the agenda of those regimes.
 






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I know generalisations are often heavy handed. Some of my extended family lived through soviet Russia, I have had Christian friends who live in China. I didn’t get the impression that personal freedom and happiness were high on the agenda of those regimes.
Those are two examples Which quite frankly are authoritarian states, and I’m pretty sure it’s due more to the authoritarian nature of the systems then the economic piece. I could Make an argument that these values aren’t really high on the American capitalist systems list either tbh, despite paying lip service to the ideals. Whether or not that’s the fault of capitalism or a “corporate authoritarian regime” of sorts is up for debate.

the Nordic countries consistently rate high on almost all metrics. They are neither socialist nor capitalist.
 






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Those are two examples Which quite frankly are authoritarian states, and I’m pretty sure it’s due more to the authoritarian nature of the systems then the economic piece. I could Make an argument that these values aren’t really high on the American capitalist systems list either tbh, despite paying lip service to the ideals. Whether or not that’s the fault of capitalism or a “corporate authoritarian regime” of sorts is up for debate.

the Nordic countries consistently rate high on almost all metrics. They are neither socialist nor capitalist.
I think it is quite possible to avoid the extreme positions of both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand and arrive at a free market with a social safety net.
 






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Interestingly enough the demonization of the communist system, but the tickling of the ears it seems to have on some people, inclines me to think, it is purposefully demonized as to offer a more idealized version in yes u guessed it the antichrist! Question do u think any of those regimes was presented as what they became? unfortunately every single thing gets back to the human heart, and how ultimately it all corrupts eventually without the bedrock of the lord. Communism is no different, I often hear people talk of "socialism" now, the principles are exactly the same and will end the same way. Its just another word attributed to the same definition which tends to be the normal now. Like u know racism, having the definiton of being institutional. These ideologies are being pitted against each other, because in power they are being represented in the most corrupt versions of themselves. Its the same old story, thesis antithesis - synthesis. The thing is there are definitely going to be elements from each but I agree with red sky, the ideologies of the more christian values are the ones that are less of the system coming - I can pick a few users out in this thread who have fallen hook line and sinker for this tribal, ideological indoctrination, and I do believe would quite happily in the place of something else, "all encompassing" give up the sovereignty, citizenship, etc. What they miss is even if the "capitalist, status quo" is being corrupted and being extorted under principles of what is right, the answer is not to disregard those principles all together!

But it makes sense because this has been planned, and again really just gets down to doing away with any sort of Christian morality.
 






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Interestingly enough the demonization of the communist system, but the tickling of the ears it seems to have on some people, inclines me to think, it is purposefully demonized as to offer a more idealized version in yes u guessed it the antichrist! Question do u think any of those regimes was presented as what they became? unfortunately every single thing gets back to the human heart, and how ultimately it all corrupts eventually without the bedrock of the lord. Communism is no different, I often hear people talk of "socialism" now, the principles are exactly the same and will end the same way. Its just another word attributed to the same definition which tends to be the normal now. Like u know racism, having the definiton of being institutional. These ideologies are being pitted against each other, because in power they are being represented in the most corrupt versions of themselves. Its the same old story, thesis antithesis - synthesis. The thing is there are definitely going to be elements from each but I agree with red sky, the ideologies of the more christian values are the ones that are less of the system coming - I can pick a few users out in this thread who have fallen hook line and sinker for this tribal, ideological indoctrination, and I do believe would quite happily in the place of something else, "all encompassing" give up the sovereignty, citizenship, etc. What they miss is even if the "capitalist, status quo" is being corrupted and being extorted under principles of what is right, the answer is not to disregard those principles all together!

But it makes sense because this has been planned, and again really just gets down to doing away with any sort of Christian morality.
Except that helping the poor and less fortunate was mentioned directly by jesus more then once and should be a big part of Christian morality. It is a false dichotomy at play here which says it’s either unfettered capitalism or authoritarian communism. There’s more then two options in life.
 






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