Thanksgiving: The annual genocide whitewash

Etagloc

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And you could be Fake News...attributing comments to people that they did not make. Don't be a gnat.
You can call me what you want but I'm not the one who's trying to cover up hundreds of millions of corpses.

If you really were connected to God, you would understand that their blood cries out to heaven.
 

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This is not quite hundreds of millions but I post this to help you better conceptualize the hundreds of millions of human beings whose murder you are so determined to cover up:

 

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You can call me what you want but I'm not the one who's trying to cover up hundreds of millions of corpses.

If you really were connected to God, you would understand that their blood cries out to heaven.
It is laughable that you are now saying I am trying to cover up the deaths of millions or that I somehow have a wand that I wave which prevents free speech.

It is like talking with somebody reading my posts who is on shrooms. You can't just make things up with concern to what I say or know how I feel. You are the one branding posters which, BTW, generally kills any chance for rational convo's.

As for God, I am connected enough to trust Him to take care of the past and the present.
 
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Why is it so hard for some of you to just condemn the atrocities committed by these people? Why not acknowledge the growing racist tensions in america and Europe?

Why is white supremacy so difficult for you to criticise and why can't you guys just be clear and explicit with your disapproval of such movements?

You aren't responsible for their actions but by turning a blind eye you're sympathising with them and diluting the severity of the issue.

Can you not honestly see the height of hypocrisy, when Muslims are expected to constantly say 'hey we condemn Isis they aren't representative of Islam' and yet when Europeans or Christians are being discussed, it's an attack on you guys and we should just get over it all.
 

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Can you not honestly see the height of hypocrisy, when Muslims are expected to constantly say 'hey we condemn Isis they aren't representative of Islam' and yet when Europeans or Christians are being discussed, it's an attack on you guys and we should just get over it all.
It's because hypocrisy is at the core of their beliefs. They feel like they shouldn't be held responsible for the acts of their ancestors but yet believe that Jesus, a man who only knew a handful of people during his life, came down and died for the actions of ALL mankind.
 

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Why is it so hard for some of you to just condemn the atrocities committed by these people? Why not acknowledge the growing racist tensions in america and Europe?

Why is white supremacy so difficult for you to criticise and why can't you guys just be clear and explicit with your disapproval of such movements?

You aren't responsible for their actions but by turning a blind eye you're sympathising with them and diluting the severity of the issue.

Can you not honestly see the height of hypocrisy, when Muslims are expected to constantly say 'hey we condemn Isis they aren't representative of Islam' and yet when Europeans or Christians are being discussed, it's an attack on you guys and we should just get over it all.
It's actually very clear now that you've brought up this point.

If someone determinedly refuses to condemn ISIS and says "get over it" when their crimes are mentioned.... it might just be that- quietly- they sympathize with them.
 

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When immigrants to America were white

Native Americans were made US citizens in 1924
Happy Native American Heritage Month! In this "Make America Great Again" era, where white nationalists (and your nextdoor neighbours who claim not to be white nationalists) rail against undocumented immigration and yearn for the indeterminate days of yore, it's easy to forget that the United States did not spring up, fully-formed, as a nation of "native" whites.
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Soon after their arrival, Europeans began to differentiate themselves from Native Americans. They labelled Native Americans savages for many reasons: they bathed too often, owned land in common rather than individually, allowed women the freedom to divorce and have multiple sexual partners, traced ancestry through the female line, and on and on. Most importantly, Native Americans largely did not participate in a capitalist world view.

for more- http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/immigrants-america-white-171101065840053.html
 

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Will the real Pocahontas please stand up?


Circa 1600, Pocahontas, the American Indian princess who saved the life of John Smith, the English adventurer on two occasions. (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images) [Getty Images]

New York, United States - She is among the best known Native Americans in history, but the modern-day descendants of Pocahontas, who four centuries ago married an English colonist and sailed across the Atlantic Ocean, show little interest in her.

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This is not just because Pocahontas symbolises a union between native American tribes and colonisers that ultimately left the natives decimated. It is also because she offers a handy way for many white Americans to gloss over a brutal past and an unhappy present.

"They watch the romanticised Disney movie and dress up like Pocahontas on Halloween, but they don't know the true story behind it or any of the real culture and customs," Zaragoza says.

"They think that the abuse, colonisation and genocide against Native Americans are in the past. But it wasn't only 400 years ago; it's still happening today."

Legacy of conquest
A legacy of marginalisation lives on in the US today.

Some 5.2 million people - 1.7 percent of the US population - identified as Native American or Alaska Native, according to the most recent Census Bureau data from 2010. According to Pew Research Centre, one in four of them lived in poverty in 2012.

On the campaign trail in 2016, President Trump tapped in to resentment among some whites that Native Americans unfairly benefit from tax-free petrol, casino-building rights and other breaks from Washington.

The Republican billionaire repeatedly mocked Massachusetts Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren's claim of Cherokee ancestry by referring to her as "Pocahontas" while some of his rally crowds erupted in war whoops.

On November 27, President Donald Trump said there was a "Pocahontas" in the US Congress during a meeting with Native American World War Two veterans in an apparent derogatory reference to Senator Elizabeth Warren.

more on-- http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/03/real-pocahontas-stand-170320070759809.html
 

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It really shouldn't, you're right about that.

Unfortunately, there are some folks here who are trying to hijack the Native American issue presented in the OP, and make it about their own perceived plight, by demonizing anyone with a European background. That is not a historical discussion-- the intellectual dishonesty in here is mind numbing . o_O

What happened was horrific, but it was 400 years ago, and there has been enormous recompense, some as recently as last year.

$492 Million to Native American Tribes


Yakama- Forest Land, Sacred Mt Adams Returned

Have a Google, yourself, for more.. it isn't perfect-- it's stunning really, considering the state of the world-- but it is effort to set things right, which is all that can be done at this point.
Personally, I feel like the Native Americans have received adequate reparations in comparison with the black community in America. Another reason most of the posts in this thread are ridiculous, in my opinion. Native Americans have dual citizenship in the US and can choose to act as independent sovereign entities that do not have to pay taxes. The only time a Native American would have to pay taxes is if they conduct business outside of a reservation. They alternately are able to be accepted in any university in the country. They are not prohibited from conducting business on a reservation. They are not isolated or discriminated in this way. They have the freedom to enjoy the benefits of being American citizens with the freedom to act as sovereign states.

It isn't perfect, but it is far from legitimate to call everyone who lives in the modern world racist because we don't beat ourselves with daily lashings over the way the country was founded. People living 400 years ago had different motivations. They were seeking to survive things like starvation and make sure other basic needs were met. We no longer have to do that in the same way in this country and this might contribute to the progressive elimination of divisions that were created in order to survive at one point in time.

However, before we do anything else, I think black people should finally get reparations. I have said this before, so the fact that people are saying everything they have about me in this thread is ridiculous. I actually support creating an equivalent to the reparations that were promised to black people when slavery ended. I think at least one generation should recieve a full scholarship to a university of their choice because giving out land is not practical anymore. It would alleviate poverty within the black community and create a lot of progress. This is really more important to the progress of America than listening to a bunch of people complain about thanksgiving like we all have puritan costumes in our closet.

Unfortunately, we would need to get rid of the countless groups trying to steal our country for their own selfish reasons in order to accomplish this. If America could run the way America is supposed to run where people like myself are actually able to introduce changes like this, things would continue to progress.
 

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The only time a Native American would have to pay taxes is if they conduct business outside of a reservation.
They are not prohibited from conducting business on a reservation.
They are not isolated or discriminated in this way.
They have the freedom to enjoy the benefits of being American citizens with the freedom to act as sovereign states.
While the virtue-signaling Left howls about the Washington Redskins' name, they're conspicuously silent about the struggles of American Indian communities. Maybe that's because the federal government is the root of the problem.

In PragerU's latest video, author Naomi Schaefer Riley highlights some of the issues plaguing American Indians. "Did you know that Indians have the highest rate of poverty of any racial group in America?" Riley asks. "Did you know that alcoholism is more common among Indian youths than among youths in any other ethnic group? Did you know that the rate of child abuse among Indians is twice as high as the national average?"

When Riley dug deeper into the causes of these widespread struggles among Native Americans, she found that the federal government was the ultimate source. Riley explains that the federal government is standing in the way of economic growth for American Indians by denying them property rights of their own land. The land of Indian reservations is held in "trust" by the federal government, which prevents American Indians from doing what they want to do with their land, including selling it, using it as collateral, or benefiting from many of its natural resources.

"The awful consequence of this land trust is that Indians can't sell their land, which means they can't use it the same way other Americans do – for example, as collateral to get a loan to start a business," Riley says. "What bank would lend to landowners who don't own their land?"

The other negative consequence to this policy is that the American Indians are unable to take advantage of the rich resources stashed on their land due to the absurd amount of regulations they have to hop through. For example, in one state, reservation residents must go through 49 steps in order to obtain approval from the federal government to extract coal from their land, with each step taking "months or years to be approved."

"There are so many government regulations that just to apply for a permit to dig a hole costs $6,500," Riley notes.

The result: nearly $1.5 trillion worth of oil, gas, coal and uranium reserves that Indian reservations are sitting on remain mostly untouched.

Until the federal government understands that letting the free market thrive in these communities is the answer, rather than simply sending billions of tax dollars, the American Indian community will continue to be plagued by widespread poverty.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/15752/prageru-video-american-indians-are-still-getting-aaron-bandler#













































They were seeking to survive things like starvation and make sure other basic needs were met.
"other basic needs" like: deceiving - stealing - raping - enslaving - killing.


We no longer have to do that in the same way in this country and this might contribute to the progressive elimination of divisions that were created in order to survive at one point in time.
right the "motivation" has changed from one direction to another as well as the means have become more sophisticated & improved but the other basic needs have remained the same - real progress!

if this is your definition of "adequate reparations" then:
let me storm into your house r*pe you - let your husband watch - afterwards kill him brutally & make you watch - then get your kids & make them watch the way i kill you.
now giving each one of them a cookie & tell them to get over it & allow them to stay in the house with me as my servants.
adequate to the bones isn't it?

this is your type of sympathy.


I actually support creating an equivalent to the reparations that were promised to black people when slavery ended.
as we have seen those "reparations" you talk about are nothing but deceptions & hot air.

so now you wanna take it to the next people that suffered (and still do) by the hands of those you praise so much & keep protecting?

your despise knows no boundaries huh?


I think at least one generation should recieve a full scholarship to a university of their choice because giving out land is not practical anymore. It would alleviate poverty within the black community and create a lot of progress.
so the root problem of black people is lack of education?

the community suffers from any kind of drug abuse & racial stereotyping but the first thing that comes to your mind to solve their problems is "giving out full scholarships"?
do you really think that someone who has nothing to eat & doesn't know how to get by cares about free scholarship - like this is the first thing they would take instead of a meal?!

this is one more example of your way of thinking & addressing things must be one straight outta space!
 

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@SpektaCoolAir

The government does the same thing to people who receive houses from, say, habitat for humanity-- they can't sell that property or use it to establish themselves in a better life. They can sell it back to the government, of course (and penalties will apply in many different cases), but altogether, it is a ruse. You are still owned by the government.


They don't advertise this. Most people don't know.. how could they?
 

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The government does the same thing to people who receive houses from, say, habitat for humanity-- they can't sell that property or use it to establish themselves in a better life. They can sell it back to the government, of course (and penalties will apply in many different cases), but altogether, it is a ruse. You are still owned by the government.


They don't advertise this. Most people don't know.. how could they?
well according to rainerann it's all for free for the native people because of their "special status".

and they are free to do whatever they like with "their property".

that's why i pointed this out.
 

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In all honesty I'm tired of the illogical and backward thought process of some of you guys on here. I don't even want to click on whatever it is you want me to see because if I see it and I'll get sucked in and just my head against a wall at how stupid it sounds. If I'm feeling up for it later I might give it a look on whatever you want me to see.
Really? Wow. So you can't even begin to try to inform yourself. That sucks.
 

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As a "Native American" I think that this post turned into something hateful and maybe some of these posts weren't intended to be offensive.

But as a whole I hope we become more aware of the racism that is seen by all of us.

I like you all for even discussing this issue.

Be happy people.
 

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Really? Wow. So you can't even begin to try to inform yourself. That sucks.
Before you decide to jump to conclusions perhaps you should take your own advice and try to inform yourself before you make statements such as the one you just did. I made that post as a response to being asked a question about something that had nothing to do with this topic but also a topic that I have already discussed numerous times on here.
 

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Botton line: My people got raped, introduced to disease, had identity stripped from them.

Justify that to yourselves.
 

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Botton line: My people got raped, introduced to disease, had identity stripped from them.

Justify that to yourselves.
Again, you responded to one my posts that had nothing to do with this thread or the Natives. Learn to read my friend and that's the bottom line because Kung Fu said so ;)
 
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