Steven Bancarz's Youtube clip "proof meditation is dangerous and demonic"

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Fear = False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the tactic of Satan/Lucifer/demons, or whatever you want to label the adversary of God. By meditating on God and his word, we expel the lies and false evidence that the adversary attempts to bombard us with.

Meditation in and of itself is not evil. It's what we choose to meditate on that determines the outcome.
 





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Fear = False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the tactic of Satan/Lucifer/demons, or whatever you want to label the adversary of God. By meditating on God and his word, we expel the lies and false evidence that the adversary attempts to bombard us with.

Meditation in and of itself is not evil. It's what we choose to meditate on that determines the outcome.
There is healthy fear and irrational fear.

In the spiritual realm there should be fear of the consequences of dabbling in spiritual practices clearly forbidden by God.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.


Clear warnings are given in scripture. Punishment eventually occurs, God permits Satan to torment people who do the above activities.

Meditation upon scripture e.g. as described in Psalm 119 is completely different to meditation where a person empties their mind, becomes receptive to any outside thought and influence to gain some type of inner knowledge or experience they would not gain otherwise.
 





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Meditation upon scripture e.g. as described in Psalm 119 is completely different to meditation where a person empties their mind, becomes receptive to any outside thought and influence to gain some type of inner knowledge or experience they would not gain otherwise.
So there is some problem with becoming calmer, more receptive, at peace, objective about oneself, free from complexes? Because these are the kinds of states which develop with a solid meditation practice. What, for example, is wrong with meditating on the breathing to develop concentration?
 





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We like to believe we are in the driver’s seat, but if we don’t “stay in our own lane” so to speak, we will always be swiftly corrected. Usually those who assume they have no fears think so because they are avoiding unrecognized or unacknowledged fears. Those who are more honest with themselves in seeking will know that fear will always be used to demonstrate, to ourselves, our own lack of knowledge.
Fear is NOT pointless! It’s an important tool. Use it to find out exactly where you are limiting yourself by creating artificial boundaries!
What about people who are incapable of feeling fear? There are people who have never in their life experienced fear or insecurities, they simply can't. Strangely enough, they're naturals at meditating.

The above and most of what you've written on this topic and in past topics, are what I've heard and read when I was into this New Agey stuff, the things in that link you posted aren't really foreign to me either, and then you say this:
There is an enormous gap between new ageism and true awareness. New age is another religious trap. It’s no different than any other distraction for people preferring to sleep. In fact it is aimed specifically at awakening people to coax them into favoring soft belief over bold awareness.

There is nothing wrong with it however, it’s just another placeholder for awareness and knowledge. People will always believe whatever authentically suits themselves, suits their attitudes, and their own personal level of awareness. If you just want to fit in and get on with life, that is probably meant to be your path, at least for now. On the other hand, our very mistake is needing something to “follow” in the first place. The idea is that beliefs are used as placeholders for awareness for as long as needed, and until we accept the personal responsibility we will only see the belief that obscures or distorts knowledge in favor of something we can live with.
Can you please tell me what you think New Age is about so I can perhaps understand you?
 





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In the spiritual realm there should be fear of the consequences of dabbling in spiritual practices clearly forbidden by God.
I understand the point you are making, but is it really fear that is necessary, or just a healthy respect and commitment to stay away from those practices. I don't dabble in practices forbidden by God, but I also don't walk around worrying in fear about it.
 





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What about people who are incapable of feeling fear? There are people who have never in their life experienced fear or insecurities, they simply can't. Strangely enough, they're naturals at meditating.
Sounds to me like a fantasy well-fitted for someone who is terrified of appearing hesitant to others.

The above and most of what you've written on this topic and in past topics, are what I've heard and read when I was into this New Agey stuff, the things in that link you posted aren't really foreign to me either, and then you say this:


Can you please tell me what you think New Age is about so I can perhaps understand you?
This explains it well:

https://energeticsynthesis.com/inde.../3459-new-age-ascension-and-disclosure-hijack
 





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I replied to the question on “fear” as there are so many shades of meaning it contains.

Meditating and opening your mind to unknown spirits - are you brave, or are you chicken?!

People who never meditate are generally not even aware of anything beyond the physical body. Ignorance of the subtle bodies is what is exploited by negative entities, because these non-physical bodies are where they are able to attach themselves to a person, so they prefer that we remain mostly unaware so they can remain hidden in those portions of the self.
 





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You lost me. You think psycopaths aren't for real or what ?
ah you’re referring to dark triad types. Those are people who have managed to completely sever their own connection to all that is because it is a source of fear for them. Sometimes this can be a generational thing where the same types of energy patterns determine incarnations for their offspring as well.


I was hoping for a less novel like answer, but that will have to do. Thank you
You’re welcome? I think. LOL if you want to learn about it, go for it. It’s not my job to hold your hand. However I will attempt to answer any specific questions you happen to ask. “What do you believe” is a very vague question to me. I believe lots of things, but I do not cling to belief because I’m really trying to sort through my beliefs in order to shed as many as possible in favor of beliefs that are more constructive, which is a changing ongoing process of expansion and growth. I understand that time doesn’t exist, that all possible futures are available NOW, and the possibility that ends up taking form in the physical reality is the same one you have structured for yourself upon the framework of your beliefs.
 





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One thing it’s important to understand is that a belief is a decision. For example if you decide that fear is important to you, then your future will automatically be structured accordingly. This is not some B.S. magical hocus pocus kinda thing, don’t get the wrong idea. It’s simply input/output.. it’s very logical, mechanical, and automatic. The ability to choose is a terrifying idea for many people because deep down they don’t want the responsibility and avoid it by obscuring it with a belief that offers an alternative. We like to believe we are at the hands of fate, which is true somewhat, remembering what I mentioned about not being in the driver’s seat,, however we are also reponsible for our own beliefs, and how we respond to life itself in general.
 





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One thing it’s important to understand is that a belief is a decision. For example if you decide that fear is important to you, then your future will automatically be structured accordingly. This is not some B.S. magical hocus pocus kinda thing, don’t get the wrong idea. It’s simply input/output.. it’s very logical, mechanical, and automatic. The ability to choose is a terrifying idea for many people because deep down they don’t want the responsibility and avoid it by obscuring it with a belief that offers an alternative. We like to believe we are at the hands of fate, which is true somewhat, remembering what I mentioned about not being in the driver’s seat,, however we are also reponsible for our own beliefs, and how we respond to life itself in general.
“Make your choice, adventurous Stranger,
Strike the bell and bide the danger,
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.”

~ C.S. Lewis, The Magician's Nephew

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I think we all appreciate people sharing their experiences. However, anecdotal evidence is not going to move the chains in either direction. For example, I can dig up all the testimonies of Ex-Christians but that's not going to bolster my argument. If anything it would weaken my argument.

I agree that the subconscious is chaotic by nature. That's why most people don't dive in. People would much rather live in the outer world of greedy vampires. And the irony is that looking outward equates to consuming oneself. Conversely, looking inward is to ignite the fire in your spirit.

Some people are just wired differently though. Take me for example, looking outward is extremely uncomfortable for me. It's like I immediately feel myself wasting away. More importantly, I feel like I'm going against what nature intended. Plus I would go so far as to argue that there is ZERO spirituality to be found in the outer world.

In conclusion, like any activity, you are going to get what you put into it. And finding your inner fire is the opposite of fronting positivity.
 





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“Make your choice, adventurous Stranger,
Strike the bell and bide the danger,
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.”

~ C.S. Lewis, The Magician's Nephew

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hmm. Very interesting representations of the crown chakra in that illustration. Do you see what their crowns are saying?
 





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I think we all appreciate people sharing their experiences. However, anecdotal evidence is not going to move the chains in either direction.
Very true. Our beliefs will always determine in advance how we end up perceiving someone else's story. Those who don't even see their own beliefs will never fully understand or appreciate this simple truth. They are already automatically looking for something that simply might not be part of the story at all, and usually assume they have found it so that's as far as they are willing to extend their thinking.
 





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No but I would be interested...

From left to right:
1 & 4 - closed, imbalanced, under-active
2 - open, balanced, but inactive
3 - closed, imbalanced, over-active
5 - closed, truncated, under-active
4 - closed, unbiased (neither balanced nor imbalanced, like a child), inactive
5 - closed, balanced, inactive
6 - open, balanced, active